Possible Terminator 5 & 6 Film Ideas

@Keven- Whoa dude...count to ten and take deeeep breaths. It will be ok. LOL. I don't think Worthington is bad, just overhyped. There are a lot better and more capable actors out there. As far as him dying, with all the time travle that occurs in the Terminator films, no one is ever dead. How many times has Arnold's character died?

I just want to say TERMINATE THESE NUTS!!!!

@ecksmanfan Worthington's character was a human turned part terminator you cant create his personality on an assembly line. Arnold was straight from the factory unlike Worthington who was a person with robot parts not robot with human parts like Arnold so in short Worthington is dead and don't worry i am not mad im just stating something

maybe this guy isn't a good guy to get, i mean the whole franchise is filled with holes...because of this guy!

the machines send a terminator back to kill sarah connor so she doesn't give birth to john. so in answer, the humans then send back kyle reese (the father of john) to kill said terminator. if the terminators didn't want john to be born, they should never have sent back a terminator to begin with. its kinda silly, actually. the machines made it possible for john to be born when they sent back the terminator. and they KNEW kyle reese was the father?? huh?? kyle reese never would have been able to knock up sarah if the machines didn't send back the terminator.

and then T2 came along and screwed the story even more by saying that the remains of the first terminator are what gave the humans the technology to create Skynet. well, if the humans needed the terminator remains to creat skynet, then how did Skynet exist in the future to send back that terminator???

its all a bunch of shite! these are pretty damn big plot holes to base a whole franchise on. all i'm saying, is this guy might not be a good choice to bring back, since he didn't think of these huge details while writing the original 2.

Its TIME TRAVEL!

Its supposed to get screwed up!! ; D

I reckon T5 & T6 = CAMERON and keep it in the future till the last movie, that will bring it all full circle!

@LEEE- You were useless in it! LOL. You know, when I first saw Salvation movie, I thought it was great. But the more I see it, the more I dislike it. You start to notice things. And you are right, Bale's character didn't really do all that much. Yeah, he had his parts, but not much.

CorndogBurglar- But the machines dont know that ;) Their effort is valid regardless of the probable outcomes. And even if they had succeeded, it would have altered the future as well as their consciousness. Making them perpetually try to accomplish the same goal but with different targets every time. So in theory, the machines' plot was better thought in T2. Because killing John Conner would have ended his life. But then, if you believe in the "collective" of the human mind, someone would have simply taken his place. In theory, John Connor wasn't "The Savior", he was humanity's elected savior. Had he not even existed since the birth of the resistence, someone would have surely led it not even aware that John Connor was meant to. Quite interesting once we think about it ;P

Superdog- The thing is that, if the philosophy lends it's self to the concept, then it's a valid point of view until proven wrong. There is simply no such proof to debunk it. When you talk of John Connor, you only think of his name. If my theory is correct, the same man could have been born with the same purpose but with a different mother and name. It's alot of philosophy yes, but you can't prove it's wrong. John Connor's destiny or purpose was to lead because he was a leader in his own space & time. Had he not existed, someone would have led the same resistance in his place because there is such a thing as the human collective mind which the machines don't compute. And that collective has always felt it should never surrender. It's been so since the human being was able to "think". Or else, "war " would simply not have existed. Evil would have prevailed and slavery would still exist today. If John Connor would not have existed, there is no way in hell that humanity as a whole would let itself perish at the hands of their own abomination. "Some" humans would have surrendered, but not "humanity" entirely. That's why any resistance has limited numbers. But they're always there none the less as history has proven.

And last time i checked, there was no such thing as "straight time travel" or it's level of repercussions. At first, in the original timeline of the first film, the machines never knew that Reese was John's father cause he simply wasn't. Since time is linear in having a begining and an end, there is no possible way that Reese would have been John's father since the events of terminator 1 happened because of John's birth & existence. After John was born, THEN Reese went back in time and BECAME John's father. Or else, it would have meant that there was a loop in time with no cause for it's existence. And no matter which way you look at it, that is simply not logical. In fact, it's impossible in the sense that a loop in time would literally mean that time does not exist because it would go completely against the law of "Cause and Effect". That's why the machines knew of the existence of Reese in "Salvation" but not in Terminator 1. Sarah's word to mouth would have been enough without the need for a photograph.

Truth is, the machines would have never won. No matter how many "leaders" they would go back in time to kill, there will always be one to destroy them. But their artificial inteligence can't compute that. Connor wasn't special in the sense that there's nothing he could do that no one else could. The machines weren't smart enough to realise that. Their logic stipulates that it all comes from one source, mastermind or a "leader" if you will which is false when it comes to human beings but true when it comes to machines. Had the artificial inteligence been really smart, it wouldn't have started a war to begin with establishing all outcomes to humans never surrendering and eventually winning. Like a chess game computer. Check mate.

Oh come on, McCoy. You know what i'm sayin' homes LOL ;P

superdog- LOL yes it is confusing LOL. But i guess that is why theories exist with proof of truth or falseness. I guess you can only follow your intuition. That's what i always preach ;)

Can you believe i failed philosophy 101? When nothing can be proven wrong or right? I guess that why "biasism" exists. LOL :)

@Shamen- Even the great McCoy can't keep up with or understand the logic and timetable of the Terminator Universe.

superdog- Too true LOL

ecksmanfan- I guess that's what makes Cameron... uh... Cameron LOL ;P

shaman thinks shes a vulcan. that is so cute. whos my widdle vulcan wulcan...yes you are...yes you are.

gaikinger- Stop talking to me like that!!! I'm getting an erection...

@ soperman

lol, i wish i could be like you, and watch movies without thinking about the plot...

@corndogburgler its a gift