TERMINATOR: DARK FATE Producer James Cameron Explains What He Thinks Went Wrong With Tim Miller's Sequel

TERMINATOR: DARK FATE Producer James Cameron Explains What He Thinks Went Wrong With Tim Miller's Sequel

Terminator: Dark Fate was released to positive reviews in 2019 but struggled to find an audience. Now, producer and The Terminator director James Cameron has shared what exactly he believes went wrong...

By JoshWilding - Sep 24, 2024 04:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Terminator
Source: Empire Online (via SFFGazette.com)

After helming 2016's Deadpool, Tim Miller found himself in high demand. When creative differences with Ryan Reynolds resulted in the filmmaker walking away from the Merc with the Mouth's sequel, he set about rebooting the Terminator franchise alongside James Cameron.

The filmmaker had given Terminator Genisys his seal of approval in a featurette, sharing praise he's since admitted regretting due to what a colossal disappointment it ended up being.

While Dark Fate received positive reviews from fans and critics, it didn't make an overly impressive impact at the box office. Earning $62 million in North America and $261 million worldwide, the blockbuster was deemed a flop and the iconic franchise was put back on the shelf for what felt like the umpteenth time.

Cameron was hands-on with the latest movie, though, perhaps explaining why it was much better received than the underwhelming Rise Of The Machines, Salvation, and Genisys.

Talking to Empire Online (via SFFGazette.com), the Avatar director looked back on Dark Fate and, like many fans, singled out Gabriel Luna's Terminator as one of his favourite things about the sequel. "I think the Rev-9 was cool as shit. Personally, I think that’s as good as anything that we did back then."

Asked for his thoughts on why the movie struggled to find an audience, Cameron said, "Our problem was not that the film didn’t work. The problem was, people didn’t show up. I’ve owned this to Tim Miller many times. I said, 'I torpedoed that movie before we ever wrote a word or shot a foot of film.'"

He puts that down to "getting high on my own supply" with Terminator 2: Judgment Day, a movie that focused heavily on Arnold Schwarzenegger and Linda Hamilton, a concept Dark Fate returned to by bringing together T-800 and Sarah Connor...again.

"We achieved our goal. We made a legit sequel to a movie where the people that were actually going to theatres at the time that movie came out are all either dead, retired, crippled, or have dementia. It was a non-starter. There was nothing in the movie for a new audience."

Giving his final thoughts on Terminator: Dark Fate, Cameron said, "I think the film’s cracking. I still think mine are the best, but I put it in solid third."

As noted, the movie received far more positive reviews than previous reboots, Terminator Salvation and Terminator Genisys. However, its 70% score put it on par with Terminator: Rise of the Machines (in contrast, The Terminator has 100% and Terminator 2: Judgement Day sits at 91%).

Cameron is believed to be working on a reboot but it's currently unclear when or where we'll see that. 

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CoHost
CoHost - 9/24/2024, 4:38 AM
SMDH
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 9/24/2024, 4:43 AM
He should be looking for those submarine fellas....all my fellas....all my fellas...a..a...a...all my fellas
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 9/24/2024, 4:48 AM
try the first 5 minutes
S8R8M
S8R8M - 9/24/2024, 5:23 AM
I like dark fate. I think it is a fitting third.
Salvation is underrated.
And we don't need to talk about Rise and Genesys.
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 9/24/2024, 5:43 AM
"The problem was, people didn’t show up."

How dare the audience not show up to a movie they weren't interested in seeing.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 9/24/2024, 5:44 AM
"We made a legit sequel to a movie where the people that were actually going to theatres at the time that movie came out are all either dead, retired, crippled, or have dementia."

What is he even trying to say here?

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ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/24/2024, 6:01 AM
It was a fair effort, but a Terminator film not directed by Jim Cameron is barely worth the effort at all.
Thing94
Thing94 - 9/24/2024, 6:53 AM
It was hot woke garbage
BillyBatson1000
BillyBatson1000 - 9/24/2024, 6:56 AM
Yeah fellah, just defecate on the original fanbase. Blame them for the weak box office.

'High on your own supply'.
Batmangina
Batmangina - 9/24/2024, 6:57 AM
Rise of the Machines was unnecessary but not bad at all.

The rest are diminishing returns at warp speed.

Dark Fate was shit. Full stop.
LegendaryOutlaw
LegendaryOutlaw - 9/24/2024, 7:16 AM
Honestly I think Dark Fates worst flaw was that it was pretending to do something new, but it was really just reskinned versions of things we’d gotten before. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, but it will never beat out the first two.

I do think marketing didn’t help, but that’s certainly not what I would’ve pointed to in its failure.

Salvation tried something new and I’m pissed that failed. Wasn’t perfect, definitely would have made some different choices, but I liked it. The only two I didn’t like were Rise of the Machines and Genisys.
dragon316
dragon316 - 9/24/2024, 8:00 AM
Series needs die out nothing can save it each version they make gets bad confusing for some people some parts are fun to watch same terminator over and over again they fight new look new power that’s it
Gabimaru
Gabimaru - 9/24/2024, 8:26 AM
IDC but to me Salvation was a solid sequel/prequel and the most original for me. i was waiting for the sequel of that film
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 9/24/2024, 8:52 AM
He ain't kidding, the Rev-9 was a goddamn cool antagoist!

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Timerider
Timerider - 9/24/2024, 8:54 AM
It makes the first two films invalid, like they don’t even matter. What should have happened was Sarah saves Dani Ramos, she lives through Judgment Day helps John Connor, he sends her back through time to prevent that one event from happening. She has a purpose, to save his life. That should have been the ending, then moving John Connor underground and hidden before the bombs fell. So to recap, Sarah saved her son, by saving Dani.

I would have killed off that new Terminator with Sarah sacrificing herself and pushing a button, just as she did in the first two films, and saying, “You’re Terminated f***er!” Maybe on the C-130, or on the base somewhere. Then, I would have shown Dani in the future scenes, then coming back full circle to the beginning of the movie, only played out differently with John Connor surviving.

Dani becomes John Connor’s new trainer/protector.

It’s kind of like the end of Back to the Future where Marty arrives at the mall to see himself go back to 1955. He’s watching it from a different perspective. We see Dani takeout the Terminator from her perspective.
AscendedExtra
AscendedExtra - 9/24/2024, 8:55 AM
I still dont get why they didn't carry the story on from Salvation. We're finally in the future, now lets see how John Connor creates/ leads the resistance.

But noooo, since everybody loves the original 2 let's just rehash those til the franchise is a tired, desiccated husk.
NathimusPrime
NathimusPrime - 9/24/2024, 2:55 PM
@AscendedExtra - I mean, it didn't do particularly well at the box office, it didn't get very good reviews and the company that made it went bankrupt after it came out. Now I always liked salvation myself, I'm not dissing it.
newhire13
newhire13 - 9/24/2024, 8:56 AM
The only 2 parts I liked in Dark Fate was Sarah breaking down while taking about how she never took pictures of John (for his protection) and was worried that she was forgetting what he looked it. Thought that was moving. And I liked how the dog was nice and calm around Carl. Dogs usually go crazy around Terminators so I thought it was a clever way to show that he did somehow change .
cyclopstb
cyclopstb - 9/24/2024, 9:00 AM
I like Dark Fate. It was also my last Birthday gift for my mother to see. She enjoyed it.
Steel86
Steel86 - 9/24/2024, 9:45 AM
They killed John Connor. The' end.
TheLobster
TheLobster - 9/24/2024, 10:15 AM
I didn’t care that they killed John Connor - I cared that the CGI for him was super dodgy.

Aside from that? I really liked Dark Fate. Mackenzie Davis was great in it!
v1101011
v1101011 - 9/24/2024, 11:22 AM
The problem was that he tried to make the same movie he's already made. They've done the whole "chase" movie shtick how many times now? There are only so many ways you can dress that up. Salvation may not have hit all the marks, but at least it was quite a bit different. Even then, still a chase movie.

Dark Fate did little to push the envelope. The human with enhancements concept was a cool idea. The idea of a Terminator being it's own AI away from Skynet is a very interesting idea. I know SCC covered that ground, but the show wasn't in continuity with the movies. Either way, that's not enough to put it in league with the first two. Maybe Jim should crawl out of his own butthole and go back to making movies that don't involve blue cat people.
ogrodafloresta
ogrodafloresta - 9/24/2024, 12:29 PM
I think I can say that many Terminator's fans really liked the concept of John Connor, of seeing him in action, how we worked and inspired a revolution. We didn't really get that in Rise of The Machines. In Genesys, along with the stupid name, they turned him into a villain. And in Dark Fate, they killed him, in cold blood, at the beginning of the movie.

No, James Cameron, your fans are not really old, crippled or whatever. Some went to the theater, got this clear spit on their faces, told the other fans about what happened and they never went to see it — despite the rest of the movie being REALLY good.

You could've killed John Connor, but maybe not in the way that it was done, like he was a throwaway character that nobody cared about.
Tufasrox
Tufasrox - 9/24/2024, 1:04 PM
I liked Dark Fate but it was definitely meh. IMO, T2 was cool (for the FX obviously) but also because it was a huge ass dude kicking the crap out of a small dude who was legit more powerful.

Rinse and repeat like 4 more times and in Dark F it just felt overdone.

I actually really like the Genesis movie. At least it was unique.
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 9/24/2024, 2:14 PM
As a massive Terminator fan, I really like this film (it's not perfect), and its definitely the 3rd best film. It's the only sequel that feels like T-2. There are a lot of really great sequences.

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