“This Is What Fascism Does”: THE MATRIX Co-Director Addresses The Film Being Co-Opted For Right-Wing Ideology

“This Is What Fascism Does”: THE MATRIX Co-Director Addresses The Film Being Co-Opted For Right-Wing Ideology

The Matrix co-director Lana Wachowski opened up about the 1999 science-fiction classic being used to represent right-wing ideologies.

By DanielKlissmman - Nov 30, 2025 03:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Sci-Fi
Source: So True with Caleb Hearon (via SFFGazette.com)

The Matrix revolutionized the science-fiction genre when it arrived in theaters in 1999. Directed by Lilly and Lana Wachowski, the movie delivered groundbreaking special effects and posed interesting questions about humanity and technology's impact on society. One of The Matrix's most famous concepts is the blue-and-red-pill debate. In the film, Morpheus told Neo he was "born into bondage," and subsequently offered him a choice between accepting either a blue pill or a red pill.

The blue pill would allow Neo to continue on in his fabricated world, while the red pill would awaken him to reality. The concept was co-opted by right-wing ideology, and has remained a significant part of its rhetoric for years. The movie's co-director, Lilly Wachowski, is aware of that, and has now given her thoughts on the situation. Appearing on the So True with Caleb Hearon podcast, the filmmaker discussed her writing process, explaning that it serves as a therapy of sorts: 

"I do know that when I write, nowadays, I try to write from a very conscious place. Like, I am specifically looking for my writing to be of service to me, right? And specifically, I will look for ways to heal holes in my heart. And you can do that unabashedly through fictitious characters. You can draw on stuff."

Wachowski explained that she aims for her work to double as a personal catharsis. However, she acknowledged that, even though she puts herself in her art, she has no control over how others read into it. She then used The Matrix being adopted by right-wing ideology as an example of that (starting at the 19:50 mark): 

"I want my work to have a level of catharsis for myself. And so, to do that, I need to put myself into my work. And if people want to read into it, you just gotta go, 'We'll, do whatever you want... You have to let go of your work, too. You gotta let go. People are gonna interpret it however they interpret it. I look at all of the crazy, mutant theories around The Matrix films, and the crazy ideologies that those films helped create, and I'm just like, 'What are you doing? No! That's wrong!' But I have to let it go to some extent, or else... You're never gonna be able to make absolutely every single person believe what you initially intended."

Hearon then asked Wachowski how she's dealt with right-wing individuals "co-opting" The Matrix for their rhetoric. After taking some time to think, Wachowski explained that she's stopped making art with the intention to cast as wide an audience net as possible: 

"I don't make stuff anymore with the idea that I want it to reach as many people as possible. I make to make. [...] That experience is the reason you're there. Not what comes after. And so, as an artist, I try to be as present as possible now. [...] I want to be present and relish every single day of the making that I have. Because the beauty of filmmaking is that you get to come together in this community, all these different artists, and bring this thing that is in your brain into this new form. And that new form is a collective art piece."

The filmmaker then stated: "Right-wing ideology appropriates absolutely everything. They appropriate left-wing points of view and they mutate them for their own propaganda, to obfuscate what the real message is. This is what fascism does. And so, of course that's going to happen. They do it with absolutely everything. [...] And that is what fascism does. It takes these things, these ideas that are generally acknowledged as questions, or investigations, or true-isms about humanity and life, and they turn them to something else, so that they remove the weight of what those things represent."

In 2020, Lana Wachowski, herself a trans woman, revealed The Matrix was meant as an allegory for trans people and their experience accepting their true selves:

"I'm glad that people are talking about The Matrix movies with a trans narrative. I love how meaningful those films are to trans people. [...] I'm glad that it has gotten out that that was the original intention, but the world wasn't quite ready... the corporate world wasn't ready for it." She further explained: "The Matrix stuff was all about the desire for transformation, but it was all coming from a closeted point of view."

The Matrix franchise is available to stream on HBO Max. 

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Daniel Klissmman is an entertainment journalist who's written for Movie Pilot, CBR.com, Cinemark and AMC Theatres. He loves superheroes with a passion and really wishes he'll one day get to hang out with Moon Knight.
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Reginator
Reginator - 11/30/2025, 3:47 PM
LOL, someone that doesn’t understand a man can not become a woman is not worth listening to. He needs mental health help.
TheVisionary26
TheVisionary26 - 11/30/2025, 3:49 PM
@Reginator - User Comment Image
DocSpock
DocSpock - 11/30/2025, 3:57 PM
@Reginator -

Most of them aren't mentally ill. They are just a$$holes seeking attention or lemmings parroting left wing dogma.

Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 11/30/2025, 4:13 PM
@Reginator - Does he still have it, or did he cut off his pee pee? 🍆✂️😧
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 11/30/2025, 4:58 PM
@Binker - ?si=d5bEqwbPQL2spiwX
StopTheInsanity
StopTheInsanity - 12/1/2025, 1:31 PM
@Reginator - You and all other bigots act like the trans community hurts your daily life when it in fact does not. So f*ck off with your bigotry.
TheVisionary26
TheVisionary26 - 11/30/2025, 3:48 PM
Woke troon.

Reboot the DCU, MCU AND Matrix!!
Binker
Binker - 11/30/2025, 4:20 PM
@TheVisionary26 - [frick] you
TheVisionary26
TheVisionary26 - 11/30/2025, 4:24 PM
@Binker - Why do wokies always get so angry? LOL! Lighten up francis, the good guys won and common sense is making a comeback. I’m sure your upset that you can’t abort more babies and perform more genital mutilations on minors, but you ain’t exactly called “loony” leftists without reason LOL
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captainwalker
captainwalker - 11/30/2025, 5:24 PM
@TheVisionary26 - LOL, they refer to him as a her, reopen the mental institutions
Mandalorian47
Mandalorian47 - 11/30/2025, 5:51 PM
@TheVisionary26 - don’t upset them, they resort to violence quite often.
PutinsGooch
PutinsGooch - 12/1/2025, 2:23 AM
@TheVisionary26 - How in the name of Christs satanic taint, can you think you people are the good guys?
skyshark03191
skyshark03191 - 12/1/2025, 4:54 AM
@TheVisionary26 - 👏
skyshark03191
skyshark03191 - 12/1/2025, 4:56 AM
@PutinsGooch - hmm, our side doesn’t kill babies late term, take people struggling mentally and literally rip their bodies apart like science projects, or allow illegals to come in by the thousands, or allow assholes with clear mental illness to be free so they can kill people randomly. That about some it up, honey?
PutinsGooch
PutinsGooch - 12/1/2025, 5:01 AM
@skyshark03191 - which people are you referring to that kill people randomly? Because, honeybunnysweetieface, the data clearly shows the right wing have the vast monopoly on random killings.
skyshark03191
skyshark03191 - 12/1/2025, 6:55 AM
@PutinsGooch - didn’t even acknowledge what I said. Typical.
ModernAudience
ModernAudience - 12/1/2025, 8:52 AM
@PutinsGooch - post said data
PutinsGooch
PutinsGooch - 12/1/2025, 1:00 PM
@skyshark03191 - your side believes in a demonstrably false fairy tale. We win by default.
StopTheInsanity
StopTheInsanity - 12/1/2025, 1:34 PM
@skyshark03191 - Good job reading the brainwash bullet points of propaganda that has ruined you.
skyshark03191
skyshark03191 - 12/2/2025, 2:00 PM
@PutinsGooch - Do we now? And who’s “side” lol? I don’t play that shit.
Cap1
Cap1 - 11/30/2025, 3:56 PM
It is very funny to think any of the Wachowski sisters output is remotely tied to right-wing ideology. That's like claiming Michael Moore as an advocate for their views. Beautifully dumb
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 11/30/2025, 4:00 PM
@Cap1 - *brothers
Binker
Binker - 11/30/2025, 4:21 PM
@HistoryofMatt - siblings
Cap1
Cap1 - 11/30/2025, 4:23 PM
@HistoryofMatt - god I felt that felt great didn't it, HistoryofMatt? It feels even better to rid yourself of needless hate, and the idea that you have the faintest inkling of the law of things, what is natural and what isn't. Don't get too comfortable in your hate dude, the weight will crush you eventually. But enjoy the likes and the company of those on your infinite merrygoround of insecurities
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 11/30/2025, 4:26 PM
@Cap1 - User Comment Image
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 11/30/2025, 4:43 PM
@Binker - Brothers.
PapaSpank54
PapaSpank54 - 11/30/2025, 6:08 PM
@HistoryofMatt - *retard
PapaSpank54
PapaSpank54 - 11/30/2025, 6:09 PM
@HistoryofMatt - retard (you)
RichardGrayson
RichardGrayson - 11/30/2025, 3:56 PM
The comment section of this site is so much better than superherohype. Any dissent there against leftist ideologies is met with the ban hammer
TheVisionary26
TheVisionary26 - 11/30/2025, 4:04 PM
@RichardGrayson - Wokeism is a mind virus. If you want to see a true hive of degeneracy and wokism, resetera is even worse than superherohype… god bless this site for actually supporting free speech.

Reboot SuperheroHype and ResetEra!!
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 11/30/2025, 4:12 PM
@RichardGrayson - Sounds great! Superherohype.com?
Binker
Binker - 11/30/2025, 4:22 PM
@RichardGrayson - a lot of people should be banned here just the same
Binker
Binker - 11/30/2025, 4:23 PM
@TheVisionary26 - it’s not a [frick]ing virus you asshole!
Fogs
Fogs - 11/30/2025, 5:26 PM
@Binker - Aww how sweet, calling the powers for controlling others' speech. Where have I seen that before?
captainwalker
captainwalker - 11/30/2025, 5:27 PM
@RichardGrayson - Their fantasies get the best of them, reality and common sense is their kryptonite.
NateBest
NateBest - 11/30/2025, 6:17 PM
@TheVisionary26 - They really ban people for sharing opinions? I can see for attacking other users, swearing, etc., but for someone's point of view? That's nuts...
Calcifer
Calcifer - 11/30/2025, 6:30 PM
@Fogs - the speech: hateful transphobic comments, intolerance and widespread lack of education, wokewokewoke, cognitive ability of a baboon... and then you wonder why people look at you like they would at primates throwing poop, you are such calm and loving people!
TheVisionary26
TheVisionary26 - 11/30/2025, 6:31 PM
@NateBest - ResetEra is INFAMOUS for banning people for being conservative/Republican or sharing those view points. Just wanna say Nate, thanks for all that you do in making this a free speech friendly site!! Really appreciate it!
Fogs
Fogs - 11/30/2025, 7:18 PM
@Calcifer - Excuse me, who are you again? Cause I don't really think you know me. If you did, you'd know those don't apply.
ModernAudience
ModernAudience - 12/1/2025, 8:54 AM
@Binker - fascist
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