Sorry Sony, No One Cares About KRAVEN THE HUNTER (Or Your "Spider-Man Universe") - Here's Why!

Sorry Sony, No One Cares About KRAVEN THE HUNTER (Or Your "Spider-Man Universe") - Here's Why!

With days to go before Kraven the Hunter arrives in theaters, it's hard to ignore the lack of interest fans have in the movie. Here's why the majority can't get on board with Sony's "Spider-Man Universe."

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By JoshWilding - Dec 09, 2024 12:12 PM EST
Filed Under: Kraven the Hunter

This Friday, Kraven the Hunter will be released in theaters and, if early box office projections and online buzz are anything to go by, interest in the movie is minimal at best. 

To put it bluntly, it feels like no one cares about this movie or what's become known as "Sony's Spider-Man Universe." It's hard to blame them after the past six years - the franchise launched with 2018's Venom - and it's time to take the studio to task for how it's failed these characters. 

In this feature, we take a deep dive into where things have gone wrong for this shared world. Those range from one too many liberties with the source material, shining a spotlight on the wrong characters, and the way Sony has destroyed any trust fans have in them with a series of infuriatingly stupid creative decisions. 

You can read through our issues with Sony's Marvel Universe by clicking on the "Next"/"View List" buttons below.
 

5. Taking Too Many Liberties With The Source Material

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No comic book movie or TV show is 100% comic-accurate; changes need to be made during the process of adapting these stories and, a lot of the time, those are for the best. With Sony's Marvel movies, that's rarely the case. 

The Venom trilogy is undeniably entertaining, but that version of Eddie Brock has little to nothing in common with his comic book counterpart. We can't blame the studio for making Madame Web a little younger, but what even was that movie? And why did Morbius' simple yet effective origin story need to be so hopefully convoluted on screen? 

In the case of Kraven the Hunter, as much as we'd love to see him battle Spider-Man, he's probably one of those rare villains who can headline a solo outing. And yet, the upcoming movie is going to make him an ultraviolent vigilante who sets out to dismantle his father's criminal empire. Why?!

With decades of Spider-Man stories to pull inspiration from, we simply do not know why Sony thinks it's a good idea to keep doing its own thing. 
 

4. Focusing On The Wrong Characters

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We can surely all agree that it's for the best Marvel Studios remains in charge of Tom Holland's Peter Parker. However, if Sony is determined to continue cashing in on Spider-Man beyond his MCU franchise, then why are they focusing on all the wrong characters? 

Venom makes sense...even if he is at his best when pitted against the wall-crawler. However, why we're being forced to sit through the likes of Morbius and Madame Web is impossible to fathom, particularly when Ben Reilly, Spider-Gwen, Kaine, Black Cat, and Spider-Girl are all ripe for the plucking. 

Rather than take us to a future timeline Mayday Parker calls home, we're getting a Spider-Noir TV series with Ben Reilly under the mask. He's not Peter's clone, though; they've just changed his name because...reasons. 

There are heroes and villains in Spider-Man's world who can exist without him. So far, Sony has decided to primarily focus on those that can't. 
 

3. Where The F*** Is Spider-Man?!

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We're not using this article to campaign for Sony to bring Spidey into its mediocre Marvel Universe. That's a horrifying, upsetting prospect and one that would surely doom the wall-crawler to Avi Arad's mid-2000s vision for superheroes. 

However, while Marvel Studios can do right by Peter Parker in the MCU, why can't Sony make use of a different web-slinger? Miles Morales is one possibility, but then so is Spider-Man 2099 (sent back in time, perhaps?), Spider-Woman, Silk, and the clone known as Ben Reilly who we mentioned above. 

Moviegoers aren't dumb and could easily figure out this is a different world and Spider-Man; it could be that Peter has fallen or simply a reality where Jessica Drew, for example, took his place. 

Instead, Sony would rather tell stories where Peter Parker is born while the likes of Spider-Woman, Araña, and Ezekiel Sims are already swinging around New York City. Then there are the movies that tease Spidey, only for nothing to come of it. What a way to win over fans, eh? 
 

2. Once Bitten, Twice Shy

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By now, perhaps you feel we've been too harsh. Shouldn't we give Kraven the Hunter a chance? Director J.C. Chandor has already pled with fans to do just that, but everything we've seen from the movie looks terrible (even if Sony thinks we'll all be swayed by some bloody action scenes). 

Taken as their own thing, the Venom movies are good dumb fun. When you look beyond the surface, though, how can any fan not be upset by Eddie Brock diving into a fish tank full of lobsters rather than being the vengeful journalist who sets out to torment and kill Spider-Man? 

Morbius was Morbius in name and appearance only and hampered by extensive reshoots which made it look and feel like a complete mess. 

With Madame Web, Sony fooled us into thinking we were getting a movie with major implications for the wider Marvel Universe, only to start calling it a "standalone" tale shortly before it was released. And guess what? They've done the same with Kraven the Hunter, so all those teases about him becoming a villain and an eventual Kraven's Last Hunt adaptation are meaningless. 
 

1. Too Many Bizarre Creative Decisions

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In case our last point didn't make it clear, Sony has obliterated our trust in them over the past few years. Whether it's Venom's pointless trip to the MCU, trailers that promise more than the movies deliver, or teases that go nowhere, "Sony's Spider-Man Universe" is a disaster. 

The Morbius trailers featured Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man but wiped him from the finished cut. Sony sh*t all over Spider-Man: No Way Home just to bring The Vulture into this world for a team-up with the Living Vampire. And, in Kraven the Hunter, Rhino will be a mutant monster. 

It's easy to forgive the odd mistake or questionable decision - even Marvel Studios has made some of them - but this consistent level of stupidity has obliterated any goodwill or faith fans have in these franchises. 

So, no, we don't care about Kraven the Hunter because even if Chandor and Aaron Taylor-Johnson have given it their all, why should we? Sony has proven it can't be trusted and, to put it bluntly, this long-delayed movie just looks bad.
 

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WakandaTech
WakandaTech - 12/9/2024, 12:15 PM
Biggest CBM universe disasters

3. MCU ( Phase 4-6 )
2. Sony Spiderman Universe
1. DCEU
tluciotti74
tluciotti74 - 12/9/2024, 12:30 PM
@WakandaTech - putting phase 5 and 6 on there is a bit much. Phase 4 was not great, 5 has had some ups and downs and we will see how it finishes but 6 does have some promising titles if they are done right
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 12/9/2024, 3:35 PM
@WakandaTech - Phase 4-6 is nowhere close to being a "disaster". The other two, absolutely.

I get some of the films fell short of expectations...but nothing that makes these Phases disastrous altogether.
LordGanja
LordGanja - 12/10/2024, 3:59 AM
@WakandaTech - for 2 - I would just say Avi f*cking Hack Arad.
Everything bad is because of him.
Everything good is inspite of him.
0bstreperous
0bstreperous - 12/9/2024, 12:17 PM
I'm gonna see Kraven it looks watchable I'm going to get some chicken fingers to enhance the experience
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 12/9/2024, 1:51 PM
@0bstreperous - yeah, oddly enough, this is the only Sony Spiderman spinoff I do have interest in seeing. It actually looks kinda good. I deeply hate the Sony Spiderman spinoffs conceptually and wish they would stop making them all together, but somehow this one actually looks fun in a John Wick kinda shut off your brain and watch the carnage unfold kinda way.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/20/2024, 7:24 AM
@0bstreperous - what did you think? I just saw it last night
0bstreperous
0bstreperous - 12/20/2024, 7:58 AM
@Slotherin - I'm gonna try and see it this weekend my car broke down and I need the money to fix it
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/9/2024, 12:19 PM
I do agree with certain points in this article but not overall , especially in terms of it taking too many liberties with the source material…

I guess this just stirs up the debate of what an adaptation is or is not for certain people.

I personally believe like it’s stated in the credits of these projects all the time that the source material is the basis for ultimately the kind of story the creatives want to tell from which they can be faithful to a point or in the case of multiple versions of characters & tons of history , pick & choose the elements they find most appealing which seems to be the case here.

This movie may not be the portrayal or story of the charactera certain section of fans want but him being more of an anti-hero in this aswell as the element of family drama certainly has precedent in the comics & other media so it’s still a valid take on the character imo as any.

Now whether it’s good on its own or not is another thing entirely.

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Also I don’t understand the complaint of Rhino being a mutant monster in this like it’s some unforgivable decision when that’s been the case in some iterations aswell.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/20/2024, 7:25 AM
@TheVisionary25 - to be fair, those other cases of Rhino being a mutant have also not been well received
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/9/2024, 12:21 PM
Also I think Spider Man Noir is a more appropriate character to focus on then other villains…

Them presumably calling him Ben Reilly is likely due to legal reasons in the Marvel & Sony deal.
Oberlin4Prez
Oberlin4Prez - 12/9/2024, 12:23 PM
Lol. Good grief
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 12/9/2024, 12:25 PM
Would you say, "There's NOT a huge amount of excitement surrounding Kraven"?
THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 12/9/2024, 12:34 PM
@JoshWilding I read what you're writing, but are we going to expect too much hype for characters like KRAVEN THE HUNTER? I doubt. So instead of bashing it let's show some support because a lot of these characters need love too, sony execution is questionable but let's support the cause and give it a chance.

TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 12/9/2024, 9:42 PM
@THEKENDOMAN - yeah no man sorry, this jury was never locked
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THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 12/9/2024, 10:08 PM
@TheWalkingCuban - Bollocks👍🏾
Forthas
Forthas - 12/9/2024, 12:35 PM
I can't really argue with any of these points. Send this link to Sony's President!
THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 12/9/2024, 12:49 PM
@Forthas - 🤣🤣🤣🤣
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 12/9/2024, 1:56 PM
@Forthas - anything that's longer than 2 paragraphs from Josh is either a hit piece ladden with personal vendettas, or a pointless list article.

This happened to be both.

My guess is Josh wasn't invited to KRAVENs press junket.
THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 12/9/2024, 4:56 PM
@TheVandalore - 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Nuff said
JFerguson
JFerguson - 12/9/2024, 12:52 PM
Tell this to the Kraven director when you inevitably interview him Josh
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 12/9/2024, 1:57 PM
@JFerguson - my guess is this article only exists because he didn't get an invite to this press junket.
ImBatman4realz
ImBatman4realz - 12/10/2024, 1:01 AM
@JFerguson - this comment has me dying laughing. Imagine Josh trying to muster up the courage to say one of these comments to his precious celebrities … priceless 🤣.

Josh is like chihuahua
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 12/9/2024, 12:58 PM
I do 🙋‍♂️
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 12/9/2024, 12:58 PM
Did Sony trash your Hot Toys collection or something?
6of13
6of13 - 12/9/2024, 12:58 PM
No one is being forced to watch any of these Spider-Verse movies. You choose what you want to do with your time and money.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/9/2024, 1:01 PM
@6of13 - exactly

It’s like it’s a foreign concept to people nowadays.
Vigor
Vigor - 12/9/2024, 1:45 PM
@6of13 - they dilute the comic book mpvie genre to the general public. Especially when they have the mame marvel attached to them
Order66
Order66 - 12/9/2024, 1:00 PM
Any self respecting Marvel fan will not actively see Sony movies until they are free to stream. They are horrible.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 12/9/2024, 1:26 PM
@Order66 - curiosity could win me over but I feel the sentiment absolutely.
I still haven't watched Madame Web.
Order66
Order66 - 12/9/2024, 3:40 PM
@Slotherin - I still haven’t seen web either and I’m waiting til I book a flight anywhere and that’s when I’ll watch it LOL
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 12/9/2024, 3:42 PM
@Order66 - Exactly this. And even then, I personally never even watch them out of curiosity. The only ones I've seen are the ones my sister says we should laugh at while she's visiting. That, so far includes Venom 1 and Morbius. Still haven't seen any of the others.

But yeah, just really awful cinema.
OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 12/9/2024, 1:15 PM
This is the same Josh that tried to put me down by saying "Sony has put me on the Venom dvd, so im doing fine"

Fng sellout.
ImBatman4realz
ImBatman4realz - 12/10/2024, 1:03 AM
@OptimusCrime - laughing my MF-AO! 🤣 hold up. Did Josh really say this, and is he really quoted on a f[ri]cking DVD? 🤣?!
BillyBatson1000
BillyBatson1000 - 12/9/2024, 1:24 PM
Yeah, you lost me at; "Moviegoers aren't dumb."
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 12/9/2024, 1:24 PM
I think ATJ has a home at Marvel Studios should they decide to bring back Quicksilver. I think he deserves another chance, even after a decade.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/9/2024, 1:26 PM
@comicfan100 - I wonder post SW reboot most likely they could bring him back as a mutant or not?.
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 12/9/2024, 1:34 PM
@TheVisionary25 - Maybe. The twins mutant reveal is long overdue, especially since it was heavily hinted at in WandaVision. And speaking of that, I feel like the WandaVision trilogy would be the perfect opportunity to bring him back, maybe in Vision Quest.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 12/9/2024, 1:35 PM
@comicfan100 - perhaps
Spike101
Spike101 - 12/9/2024, 1:27 PM
Wow someone pissed on your bonfire today… personally I think the trailers look quite good. Let’s not forget Sony brought us Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man. I’ve also enjoyed all the Venom movies, and Morbius if you ignore the final act.
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