SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME Director Jon Watts Performed Sandman's Movements On The Movie's Set

SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME Director Jon Watts Performed Sandman's Movements On The Movie's Set

One of Spider-Man: No Way Home's VFX Supervisors has shared some insights into the work that went into creating the movie's version of Sandman, revealing how director Jon Watts was pivotal to the process.

By JoshWilding - Feb 24, 2022 11:02 AM EST
Filed Under: No Way Home
Source: ComicBook.com

Spider-Man: No Way Home is an amazing movie, but it doesn't sound like it had the smoothest of journeys to the big screen. Between the pandemic, all those returning actors, and the sheer level of secrecy, the cast and crew had a bumpy ride, which is evident from recent comments made by Digital Domain VFX Supervisor, Scott Edelstein.

Talking to ComicBook.com, Edelstein revealed that director Jon Watts had to stand in for Thomas Haden Church for his Sandman scenes. While it's never been explicitly stated, it's thought that neither Church nor Lizard actor Rhys Ifans was on set, hence why footage from The Amazing Spider-Man and Spider-Man 3 was repurposed for this threequel.

"Starting from set, when they're shooting, they have a stand-in that is there for eyelines, for the camera blocking, all that kind of stuff. [We] have multiple different things after that show us what Sandman could potentially be," Edelstein explained. "Sometimes it's the director himself, John Watts actually shot reference of himself doing the body performances, and the kind of facial like performance that he wanted the character to have. And so we would have that reference."

"They did do a shoot on a mocap set where they got a body actor to perform so that we would have mocap of what those performances would be, if that's what they were going to use. And then, like you said, we had the voiceover of Thomas Haden Church giving the lines," he continued. "And so most of the time, what it ended up being is the animators just literally hand keyframing everything. From the body performance to the facial performance to match the voice and all of that."

It's always fun to get some insight into how movies like Spider-Man: No Way Home came together. While it's not surprising to hear that Church wasn't present for Sandman's scenes, the finished effect worked very well, and the movie even found a way to explain why the "villain" remained in that sandy form upon arriving in the MCU. With that, the stage was set for a truly spectacular final battle.

There, Sandman once again grew to the size of a skyscraper to battle the three Spider-Men, but was ultimately cured by his world's Peter Parker in an emotional, albeit brief exchange between the two. As for Watts, he's rumoured to be heading to a Galaxy Far, Far Away in the not too distant future.

Spider-Man: No Way Home releases on Digital on March 22 and physical platforms on April 12.

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TheSuperMex
TheSuperMex - 2/24/2022, 11:48 AM
It was nice seeing Sandman again. I didn’t think we were going to see him since Far From Home had a sandman like hologram. Now we need is Hydroman to show up as a goon for some other big villain.
ElvenKingSlayer
ElvenKingSlayer - 2/24/2022, 12:12 PM
Sandman and Lizard were poorly done in this movie. . .
eGGtheGreat
eGGtheGreat - 2/24/2022, 12:57 PM
@ElvenKingSlayer - I think the only villains done well was Dr Octopus and Green Goblin.
Origame
Origame - 2/24/2022, 3:45 PM
@ElvenKingSlayer - yeah. And it was the most blatantly obvious cgi budget saving move to just have lizard want to stay in the van. Like, really? Why would lizard want that when the whole reason he's there is in the apartment? And why would Peter allow that, considering it makes things harder to do research on him for the cure and it risks lizard getting loose again.
ElvenKingSlayer
ElvenKingSlayer - 2/25/2022, 5:14 AM
@Origame - Totally agree!
valmic
valmic - 2/24/2022, 12:21 PM
he and lizard look like shyt. crazy how amazing they looked before compared to this movie.
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 2/24/2022, 12:28 PM
@micvalpro - Lizard looked like crap even in TASM1.
eGGtheGreat
eGGtheGreat - 2/24/2022, 12:58 PM
@FinnishDude - he looked way better in TASM
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 2/24/2022, 1:24 PM
@eGGtheGreat - And yet, crap
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 2/24/2022, 1:06 PM
I don't know why they even bothered putting Sandman in this if they knew they weren't going to be able to use the actor. They already had two of Tobey's villains as it was. And it's not like his addition completed the Sinister Six. There still wound up only being five of them anyway. It could have just been two and two from both universes. And the less Sandman, the more Lizard could have had to do.
Razorface1
Razorface1 - 2/24/2022, 2:50 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - Plus they didn't even have a story for Sandman, he just became evil because he checked the runtime and it was time for the final battle.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 2/24/2022, 2:52 PM
@Razorface1 - Exactly that too. It would have made sense if he was pulled from his universe before his redemption arc like Ock. But instead he just turned bad again for "reasons".
OmegaBlack13
OmegaBlack13 - 2/24/2022, 1:15 PM
The effects for Sandman and Lizard are gonna age so horribly.
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 2/24/2022, 1:31 PM
You have to admit given the limitations and stipulations surrounding production it was a clever workaround with how they used Sandman and Lizard.
TheLobster
TheLobster - 2/24/2022, 1:52 PM
Yeah it shows. The FX/dialogue/arc were TERRIBLE for Sandman and Lizard. I honestly wish they were taken out of the film completely if they couldn’t get Thomas and Rhys back on set.
UXASIS
UXASIS - 2/24/2022, 2:01 PM
Sandman and Electro weren't that much a threat. All I remember was them doing this electric sand cloud and the most wtf sequence was when all Peters had a cool 5-min conservation on how they love each other, even though they were midst in a battle.

Also I bet there isn't a single person who liked Lizard, I'd switch him with ANY previous spidey villain (except Shocker).

Mysterio, Vulture, or Scorpion should have been brought back.
TheLobster
TheLobster - 2/24/2022, 2:08 PM
[frick]ing Lizard didn’t even act like the Lizard from TASM. Remember that line about MJ being too hot for Peter? Someone actually got paid to write that and they actually paid Rhys to say that. Unreal.
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 2/24/2022, 3:04 PM
@TheLobster - The Lizard was such a nothing character in TASM that I don't really know (beyond obvious hyperpolic examples) what would and wouldn't be in-character for him to say.
TheLobster
TheLobster - 2/24/2022, 3:10 PM
@FinnishDude - I just wish he sounded like an actual professor rather than some catty gossip girl lol
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
StSteven
StSteven - 2/24/2022, 2:47 PM
I haven't seen NWH yet so I can't really comment on how good/bad the CGI looked for the Lizard and Sandman, but I do think that there were a couple of reasons why it made sense to include these villains in addition to Electro, Doc Ock, and Goblin, even if it meant keeping the characters as CGI and reusing previous footage:

(1) Having five villains vs. just three provides a considerably bigger challenge for the three Spider-Men and something that Tom-Peter couldn't possibly handle on his own. If the intention was always to bring in all three Spider-Men, it makes a lot more sense to have more than three villains and raises the stakes much more, especially with powerful villains like Sandman and Lizard.

(2) With an important part of the story being for the three Spider-Men to want to "cure" the villains (believing them to ultimately being tragic characters), and all five of these villains fit the profile of someone who can be "cured" to varying degrees. While the Vulture and Mysterio would have been cool to see in this movie, they wouldn't really be believable as sympathetic "curable" characters, as there's nothing really to "cure" about their animosity toward Tom-Peter (plus the story could get bogged down by his emotional attachment to those two).

Anyhow, that's just a guess as to why those to villains were included, even if they couldn't be as good as they could be, given the circumstances at the time.
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