SINISTER SIX Wouldn't Have Tied Into THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 Or Been A 6-On-1 Movie

SINISTER SIX Wouldn't Have Tied Into THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 Or Been A 6-On-1 Movie

While he won't reveal which villains were set to star in Sinister Six, Drew Goddard talks here about how the movie wouldn't have been the traditional hero vs. villain battle most of us expected and reveals that the end of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 really didn't mean all that much...

By JoshWilding - Sep 28, 2015 08:09 PM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man
Source: IGN
For better or worse, Drew Goddard's Sinister Six movie is stuck in development hell. The writer and director left Daredevil and gave up the opportunity to helm The Martian in order to concentrate on the spinoff, but the Sony Hack changed everything, as did a deal between Marvel and Sony (putting this and a number of other Spider-Man projects on the shelf for the foreseeable future). Asked by IGN how it felt to have Sinister Six snatched away from him, Goddard explained: "[For] me, the making of it is the special part. Then after that it’s the business part. Like, I want people to see these things, but it’s done. And with Sinister, you know I love that script, it was really fun. I love the artist I was working with. I’d love to make that movie someday. But if we don’t? I still got to write it. I still got to do it. And you can’t take that away from me, man."
 
Goddard wouldn't reveal which villains he chose to be part of his Sinister Six, but surprisingly explained that the exposition heavy finaly few minutes of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 would have had very little impact on what he had in store. "I felt strongly that I wanted this movie to just stand on its own. I feel like, in general, I get tired of these movies where they’re becoming too much of a puzzle for people to solve. I’m like, no, just have fun." That's fair enough, but this also emphasises just how directionless Sony were in their plans for the Spider-Man franchise.

Finally, talk turned to the dynamic of the movie, and it sounds like we wouldn't have got two hours of the wall-crawler battling out with six of his greatest villains. "When you’re doing just a straightforward superhero movie, you don’t need a lot of villains. The focus is on one guy. I think with Sinister, it’s different. To me it's less about too many villains and more about too many antagonists and there’s a distinction. You never say, like, The Dirty Dozen has too many characters. They’re all villains, or you could argue that. But they’re protagonists. The trick with Sinister, is that I was making everyone the protagonist and less about six-on-one and more about coming at it a little differently. That was the idea." What do you think about these comments?
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Feedthemachine
Feedthemachine - 9/28/2015, 8:26 PM
Well, at least we're getting Suicide Squad.
JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 9/28/2015, 8:27 PM
Who cares........... honestly who cares?
Kurban
Kurban - 9/28/2015, 8:27 PM
It was a lame idea, though. Unlike something like Suicide Squad, the Sinister Six's ENTIRE PURPOSE is to destroy Spider-Man.
Aquaman6686
Aquaman6686 - 9/28/2015, 8:28 PM
But at least the Sinister Six is comprised of much more high-level villains than the Suicide Squad.
Mrtoke
Mrtoke - 9/28/2015, 8:30 PM
Sounds like a movie with Spider-Man's villains without Spider-Man and like what Kurban said-- their purpose is to take down Peter.
Retribution13
Retribution13 - 9/28/2015, 8:32 PM
I still can't believe this was almost a movie.

I mean, I was excited yet so [frick]ing confused when they first announced a Sinister Six movie. I'd still be so down for one. Make it like Superior foes of Spidey but with the original Six and it'd be a winner in my book.
MrAisA
MrAisA - 9/28/2015, 8:38 PM
Someone really wants MARVEL to use their script.
Bodwulf
Bodwulf - 9/28/2015, 8:47 PM
Two was more than enough of autistic Spidey.
BlackPhillip
BlackPhillip - 9/28/2015, 8:48 PM
@ManOfSteel4Ever

Thor is only character being mishandled by Marvel Studios. I was excited to finally see Spidey in the MCU, but after the announcement of the director and writers, my excitement has died a little.
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 9/28/2015, 8:49 PM
oh great, another troll to block.
anyway, if Sinister Six was going to be its own thing, then what was the point of setting them up in TASM2? and very poorly I might add.
ScarletWarlock
ScarletWarlock - 9/28/2015, 9:04 PM
I really didn't see the beef about it, the guy is an excellent writer and I'm still down for this, I don't see it as a suicide squad rip off, I see it as a Spiderman crossover or annual but just in movie form. Spider man was going to be in it and everything, there was no way he wasn't, Drew even said it was the spiderman movie of his dreams, it makes no sense that that would be the case without spiderman, it contradicts itself.
JamesMann
JamesMann - 9/28/2015, 9:13 PM
Nice title there except it's wrong. Goddard literally just said he wanted the film to stand on its own, not require other films.

Wildingaling you crazy goose.
JonF
JonF - 9/28/2015, 9:21 PM
I see Josh's obsession with posting articles that bash TASM2 hasn't gotten any better...

LET. IT. GO.
imkennypowers
imkennypowers - 9/28/2015, 9:23 PM
"I think with Sinister, it’s different. To me it's less about too many villains and more about too many antagonists and there’s a distinction. You never say, like, The Dirty Dozen has too many characters. They’re all villains, or you could argue that. But they’re protagonists. The trick with Sinister, is that I was making everyone the protagonist and less about six-on-one and more about coming at it a little differently. That was the idea."

Maybe it's just me or I'm taking his comment the wrong way, but I think the last thing Spider-Man, and most movies, needs is more sympathetic villains. I have no problem with villains getting more development & focus. To me, the problem is when villains get more development/background & they seem to follow the same patterns making them sympathetic characters.
Typically, they were good, had good intentions, believe what they are doing is good, but certain people, circumstances and/or misfortunes, directly or indirectly lead them to become evil/bad.

It's like the villains aren't responsible for how/why they being evil/bad. They didn't choose/decide to be evil/bad, they're a product of various circumstances during their life/childhood. If they weren't in this/that situation, if this/that didn't happen and/or if they weren't forced to do this/that out of necessity, maybe they wouldn't be evil/bad.

I wanna see more villains that are evil/bad because they enjoy it, it's part of their DNA, it's an addiction for them. Give me new & better reasons, explanations and/or backstories as to the how/why they're evil/bad. Just make them entirely responsible for deciding/choosing to be evil/bad.
Carnage67
Carnage67 - 9/28/2015, 9:23 PM
above all else, I'm just curious. i wish the movie still got made just so i could at least see it. who cares whether you liked it or not, if you did great, if you didnt then move on, who cares. I'm really curious to see how it would've turned out and what it would've looked like. i wish they could publish the script in novel form, especially if it doesn't really tie in with the amazing spiderman series, if it did then they'd never consider such a thing (and they still won't either way), but it sounds like it was its own stand alone thing. those sony hacks got all that stuff but not the script?
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 9/28/2015, 9:27 PM
@Bodwulf

Two was more than enough of autistic Spidey.

UlisesMX
UlisesMX - 9/28/2015, 9:29 PM
@JonF that's his obsession and don't forget Fantastic Flop...
Carnage67
Carnage67 - 9/28/2015, 9:30 PM
@ImKennyPowers

i understand what you're saying, and my only response to that is I'm sure studio heads finding bad guys who just like being bad is "boring" since theres not a lot of substance there. they want the characters to be more deeper.
other than that though, where did he mention anything about the s6 being sympathetic? he called them protagonists instead of antagonists only because their the main characters now. doesn't mean they'd be good guys all of a sudden. he even made the dirty dozen reference, you know their bad guys, but thats the point of the movie.
TheEpicJuicebox
TheEpicJuicebox - 9/28/2015, 9:33 PM
Not surprised, this wouldve sucked
imkennypowers
imkennypowers - 9/28/2015, 9:33 PM
@Aquaman6686 - "But at least the Sinister Six is comprised of much more high-level villains than the Suicide Squad."

That is exactly what DC intented when they created the Suicide Squad. hahaha.

They wanted to focus on a team of villains, just not high-level villains. Sure, they hoped it would give their low-level villains more development/exposure, but because they are low-level villains it means they're expendable.

Had they used high-level villains, readers would be less likely to believe/buy-in to the idea that these characters are on dangerous missions & could be killed if they attempt to escape or fail their mission/objectives.
EastOfWest
EastOfWest - 9/28/2015, 9:56 PM

imkennypowers
imkennypowers - 9/28/2015, 10:08 PM
@Carnage67 - "i understand what you're saying, and my only response to that is I'm sure studio heads finding bad guys who just like being bad is "boring" since theres not a lot of substance there. they want the characters to be more deeper."

That's kind of my point. If that's the studios way of thinking, to me, it's a cop out. Villains don't have to be one dimensional. You can make convincing & deep characters without the common tropes with the villain seeming sympathetic.
Look at Breaking Bad. Yes, Walt had good intentions & felt forced to do what he did to provide for his family. However, he made the decision/choice to do what he did. And at the end he admitted he liked what he did & he ultimately did for himself. When Walt broke bad, it became an addiction that escalated & spiraled out of control. Obviously, it's much easier to show that level of development/progression over the course of series. Walter White was a tragic character not a sympathetic character. And it's interesting bc Heisenberg could be consider an antagonist to Walter White.

"other than that though, where did he mention anything about the s6 being sympathetic?"

I was referring to all the other Spider-Man villains.

"he called them protagonists instead of antagonists only because their the main characters now. doesn't mean they'd be good guys all of a sudden."

Yeah, I think I got that. hahaha

"he even made the dirty dozen reference, you know their bad guys, but thats the point of the movie."

I completely get the concept of The Dirty Dozen, the problem is it applies to the Suicide Squad, but not the Sinister Six! haha Like @Kurban said "the Sinister Six's ENTIRE PURPOSE is to destroy Spider-Man." While the Dirty Dozen & the Suicide Squad are teams of expendable characters, ex-military convicts & captured villains, sent on suicide missions.
BlackIceJoe
BlackIceJoe - 9/28/2015, 10:36 PM
I'd be down for a new Sinster Six tied to the MCU. Just have Kingpin being the reason they come together and you can have Spider-Man fight with Daredevil to bring them down.
luxbox
luxbox - 9/28/2015, 11:28 PM
Why are people that USED to be apart of the franchise still talking? Get over it! Take Garfield with you, no one wants to hear about your sour grapes story!
Neek2086
Neek2086 - 9/29/2015, 12:54 AM
@Manofsteel4ever

Really?? I think cap is one their most well handled characters after Stark
SuperCat
SuperCat - 9/29/2015, 3:41 AM
GoldenBoy02
GoldenBoy02 - 9/29/2015, 3:55 AM
AVI ARAD? Leave us alone!! Go away! Shush!!
DoctorDoomSayer
DoctorDoomSayer - 9/29/2015, 5:26 AM
just turn the script over to Brazzers, I'm sure they can thing of something to do with it...
13echo
13echo - 9/29/2015, 5:39 AM
Well don't feel bad, Suicide Squad gonna do it for you.
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