SUICIDE SQUAD Director David Ayer Confirms Fan Theory About Joker's Controversial "Damaged" Tattoo

SUICIDE SQUAD Director David Ayer Confirms Fan Theory About Joker's Controversial "Damaged" Tattoo

The "Damaged" tattoo adorning the Clown Prince of Crime's forehead in Suicide Squad has been a hot topic of discussion among fans, and David Ayer has finally confirmed an interesting theory about it...

By JoshWilding - May 05, 2020 02:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Suicide Squad

When Suicide Squad's version of The Joker was officially revealed, the response was definitely mixed. Fans weren't quite sure what to make of the many tattoos adorning the Clown Prince of Crime's body, and the one that really stood out was the word "Damaged" stamped across his forehead. 

Both then and in the years that followed, it's become a point of ridicule online, but when one fan recently put forward a compelling theory explaining why The Joker has the tattoo, the filmmaker confirmed that he had hit the nail on the head.

As you can see, the idea put forward is that it was Batman who left the villain badly scarred and with broken teeth after he murdered Robin, and the "Damaged" tattoo was essentially The Joker's way of taunting the Caped Crusader for his failure to put an end to him once and for all. 

It's a convincing enough explanation, and one Ayer clearly agrees with based on his response to the Tweet. 

Given the way Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey glossed over The Joker's involvement in her life, we're unlikely to ever see Jared Leto's version of the villain in the DC Extended Universe again.
 

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dracula
dracula - 5/5/2020, 2:46 AM
Yeah, that doesnt change that it looks bad. Really think the biggest problem is the damaged tatoo. Take that away and it looks fine, but that tatoo just goes too far. Whether he is actually a good joker, we will probably never know, considering they cut most of his footage for making people uncomfortable, which the joker really should do
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 5/5/2020, 3:51 AM
@dracula - The lack of lipstick smile really hurt the look. Unlike the previous live-action Jokers, Leto's Joker just looked less like a clown.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/5/2020, 4:29 AM
@dracula - The sad thing is I think Leto could have been great. The look is what totally killed it. If you take away the tattoos and the gold teeth he actually looked like a cool Joker. He just needed to be a little more over the top and less dark and scary. Like, he wasn't funny at all, you know? He pulled off the psychotic part, but he needed to be funny while doing it.

But like you said, he had almost no screen time. So who knows what he could have really done.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/5/2020, 4:31 AM
@WAKANDABATMANFOREVER - He had lipstick though. It just looked way too dark. It should have been bright red.

But you're right. He doesn't look like a clown. He just looks like a gangster with white skin. In the scenes where we saw him outside prison in flashbacks he should have been wearing the purple suit.

And of course, get rid of the tattoos and fake teeth lol.
Omega
Omega - 5/5/2020, 4:56 AM
@WAKANDABATMANFOREVER - But Joker in most of the classic comics have only red lipstick not a smile....
adamcawa
adamcawa - 5/5/2020, 7:38 AM
@CorndogBurglar - the teeth work if they just include the scene where Batman knocks them out; without that context he just looks like a tryhard white rapper.

I don't know if they ever shot such a scene, and I understand the super violent Batman in BvS was heavily criticized so the studio probably made the call to cut it because wanted to get away from that, but it just worked so well in the Snyderverse mythos.

Oh well, what could've been right?
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/5/2020, 11:51 AM
@adamcawa - Yeah. Its a shame. I think Leto got a bad hand dealt to him.

They obviously wanted him to look like this. They obviously chose to make him a side character with very few scenes. None of that falls on him.

And if everyone is being honest with themselves, if you take away the teeth, tattoos, put him in a purple suit, and give him the matching purple hat.....he would look EXACTLY like the Joker more than any other actor to date.
dracula
dracula - 5/5/2020, 2:49 AM
Want a good Suicide Squad movie by david ayer, just watch Fury. Great movie and feels like what id expect the ww2 version would be like
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 5/5/2020, 2:54 AM
@dracula

He was coming off Fury when he made SS. Made it an even bigger disappointment.
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 5/5/2020, 3:07 AM
@dracula - Rogue One is also a good Suicide Squad film and came out the same year.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 5/5/2020, 2:54 AM
Doesn’t work... the film says that she was an accomplice in the murder of Robin, and the Joker already had metal teeth before he abducted and changed her into Harley, so the metal teeth can’t be a result of Batman punching out the Joker’s teeth for revenge, and the “damaged” tattoo isn’t some sly taunting.

Ayers is just grabbing onto some fan’s defense after the fact.



TheBlueMorpho
TheBlueMorpho - 5/5/2020, 3:32 AM
@Chewtoy -

Anyone who has twitter respond to that with this man's rebuttal. I wonder if Ayer would see it or care to respond to it.


Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 5/5/2020, 3:52 AM
@TheBlueMorpho - To be fair, the film and its production was such a mess that I can believe that they worked out a whole backstory and then cluelessly contradicted it all with the final product.

Ultimately though, none of that backstory was ever mentioned in canon and what was put into canon expressly negates it.
TheBlueMorpho
TheBlueMorpho - 5/5/2020, 4:04 AM
@Chewtoy -

True but he isn't talking about it in as a could have been or what he originally intended.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/5/2020, 4:32 AM
@Chewtoy - Haham thats a really good point.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 5/5/2020, 4:47 AM
@Chewtoy - Thats the Snyderverse for ya. If it doesnt make sense, make a fan theory true through social media. Remember when Snyder said those dolphons or sea animals were sent by aquaman to check up on superman when he saved those oil diggers in the ocean in MOS
adamcawa
adamcawa - 5/5/2020, 7:43 AM
@Chewtoy - to be fair, Ayers may have had nothing to do with those graphics; so it's possible that was intention. It makes the most sense to at least explain his teeth. The tattoo was definitely stupid regardless.
toylled
toylled - 5/5/2020, 2:59 AM
I thought the 'damaged' was on his forehead to symbolise that he is mentally unstable? Cos.. its a derogatory term to use on someone that they are damaged if their mental state isn't all there... nothing to do with is teeth, but still makes perfect sense.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/5/2020, 4:38 AM
@toylled - Thats what I would have assumed too. But to steal Chewtoy's argument a few comments up, the revenge thing doesn't make sense. Harley was an accomplice in Robin's murder. Joker already had gold teeth when he met Harley. So this explanation doesn't fit with what the movie showed us.
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 5/5/2020, 3:05 AM
Controversial? It was lambasted as every other decision they made for this Joker and rightfully so.
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 5/5/2020, 3:11 AM
controversial? i guess being so stupid it is pretty shocking
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 5/5/2020, 3:14 AM
No matter the explanation, the tattoos looked dumb as [frick]. The same goes for Harley Quinn's tattoos
BeyondtheFuture
BeyondtheFuture - 5/5/2020, 3:21 AM
Prefer the debunked 'Joker is a Robin that went insane after being tortured' theory. It's the only reason that iteration of Batman wouldn't have killed him years ago and it would have left room for a real Joker in that universe.
RageDriver2401
RageDriver2401 - 5/5/2020, 3:23 AM
"Ooh yea I like this one it's as edgy as Leto sending dead rats to his castmates Imma confirm this one maybe people will like that decision after this."

- Ayer's thoughts as he decided he wanted to make this theory his own.
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 5/5/2020, 3:38 AM
I think that is a cool idea, particularly the part about Batman knocking his teeth out to ruin his smile. But the overall design of his look was awful, and the performance just wasn't enticing (to put it politely).
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 5/5/2020, 3:43 AM
It's crazy how underdeveloped Batfleck was. Actual dialogue, explaining that he lost his partner, and how that traumatized him, would've been great. Instead of a random graveyard scene where he encounters a giant bat, Bruce's (first) nightmare should've been about Robin's death. That would've helped provide more context to why Batfleck was so effected by his employees dying, during the Supes & Zod battle. Just basic and fundamental storytelling.

RageDriver2401
RageDriver2401 - 5/5/2020, 5:48 AM
@WAKANDABATMANFOREVER - Snyder doesn't waste time on dialogue, you should have been able to decipher all this by the obscure painting above Bruce's fireplace in that 2 second dark shot that he filmed.
bcom
bcom - 5/5/2020, 4:30 PM
@WAKANDABATMANFOREVER - I recently rewatched Man of Steel, BvS and Justice League just to remind myself if they are as bad as they are made out to be and one thing I noticed is that they all follow a similar structure. The first two acts are about the heroes feeling isolated, unsure of themselves and brooding and the third act is just massive destruction. Justice League is a bit different because of the clusterf**k it faced during production But Man of Steel and BvS are real wasted opportunities I feel.

I also realized that Snyder is similar to Michael Bay in that he goes for style over substance. It's like he wants to get the first two acts out of the way as quickly as possible so that he can get to the big battle at the end where everything goes BOOM!

Everything from the actors to the costumes to the characters were done a massive disservice by Snyder for not giving a rat's ass about honoring who these characters are and what they mean to people and the legacy they have.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 5/5/2020, 3:59 AM
[frick] OFF LOL
IronMandarin
IronMandarin - 5/5/2020, 4:02 AM
Definitely "antagonises and infuriates" me every time I see Leto's face.

Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 5/5/2020, 5:16 AM
That's the most generous use of "ingenious" I think I've ever seen. It's a pretty straightforward (and not even particularly clever) sequence of events. There's no second layer to it. There's no secondary thematic representation or reference. It's not even a pun. It's... just text. Spoon-fed text.

If the tattoo had been a domino-mask like Robin wore, then maybe we're talking about something deeper (every time Batman looks at Joker he'd see the twisted mockery of his dead sidekick). Or even a taunting message like "You failed him" or something, it's actually a message. But "Damaged" isn't something that would infuriate Batman. Batman doesn't care if the Joker lost a few teeth.

If, on the other hand, Ayer had said that the message was for Harley, as an (unsubtle) way to (mis)label the Joker as a pathetic soul in need of sympathy, then it at least makes sense. The Joker isn't really "Damaged", he's a psychopath, but he presents himself as just possibly redeemable through understanding and therapy. Quinn sees a victim, not a predator. That tattoo may as well be a label Quinn sees to excuse the Joker's behavior, which makes sense as we only ever really see the Joker from Quinn's perspective in the movie. (Her patient, her tormentor, her savior, her soulmate, whatever it is, Leto's Joker is weirdly a victim of a sort of female-gaze in Suicide Squad that renders him the mess he is.)

It's still all garbage, no matter how you try to explain it. Just people wanting to put their stamp on something without appreciating the value of it. More vandalism than adaptation. (And the same could be said for Gunn's Guardians, except that Gunn is actually a damn good storyteller and the Guardians were obscure enough that most people didn't care. Stamp, stamp, stamp.)
L0RDbuckethead
L0RDbuckethead - 5/5/2020, 5:44 AM
Doesn't make it any less dumb as [frick].
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