The Reboot Suit: Why It's A Deal Buster for Millions of Fans

The Reboot Suit: Why It's A Deal Buster for Millions of Fans

Internationally published writer and commentator Ricky David Tripp explains why the reboot Superman costume is a bad idea for DC and the film, and why he thinks millions of fans will walk away

Editorial Opinion
By magicrick - Aug 30, 2011 07:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman



Well, now, they’ve gone and done it. Yet another extreme alteration of Superman’s iconic costume is apparently coming to the big screen. It is said to mirror the equally extreme makeover that DC has planned for the character, all done in the name of “updating“ it and (to coin an increasingly tired term) make it “edgier.”

Who are they doing this for? And to what purpose? Does it “refresh” the character or make him different in some way? Does it make his story more compelling? Does it make the film (and the products connected to it) more saleable? Or does it simply leave out a lot of us who have been with the character for decades?

DC and Warner Brothers have to know that there will be a backlash to this decision. After all, the Superman that I grew up with (I’m 56 years old) has been solidly in place for 45 to 50 of his more than 70 years of existence with no significant changes. Other than Daniel Boone, it has been said, Superman has been one of the most enduring American folk heroes of all time.

I own, not one, but two adult-sized Superman costumes, one of theatrical quality that was custom made, and while others have larger Superman collections, mine is still formidable, filling an entire portable trunk to its capacity. I am unapologetically a fan, and own all of the DVDs of the Superman legend, from Kirk Alyn to George Reeves to Christopher Reeve to Dean Cain. Reluctantly, I added “Superman Returns” but only after Walmart put the widescreen version in the $5 hopper.

But here’s a newsflash for DC, Warner Brothers, Zack Snyder, Christopher Nolan, and David S. Goyer: I have already made my decision, as has my traditionalist 31-year-old son. We will not be attending your movie, nor will we be purchasing or renting the film when it is released in DVD form. A boycott, you say? Nope. Just staying away from a film we already know is going to make us angry, making a choice about what we want to see or don’t want to see.

There are many films I have never seen, such as “Saw” or any of the sequels. I will not be viewing “Bridesmaids” or any film featuring Justin Bieber. “Man of Steel” joins them.

And I would suggest that for millions of others, a similar decision will be made. What I hope to do with this article is explain to the revisionists why I think that “Man of Steel” has a huge hill to climb (I expect the film to be a dismal failure), while validating those who share my views and arming them with arguing points that will stand with other fans.

At the start of this, let me just quietly dismiss all the chirpy revisionists on the web who have declared Cavill’s Superman to be “badass,” talking in superlative terms about how the “speedos” had to go and how much they like the costume. Tradition is lost on them. They have no emotional investment in the character, and many of them who have already noted my confessed age will dismiss me as a dinosaur who is resisting change. But change isn’t always good. Some of us out here have a history with Superman. We bought many comics before they were born. We watched the TV series with George Reeves. We dreamed we were Superman before they could dream at all.



Those who are pleased with this stripping down of Superman could have arguably been happy if the cape had been blue instead of red. Or if other accessories, like the boots, had vanished. Or if the costume was just one big red “S” and nothing else, or looked like it was printed on his body instead of being a costume. Then the rest of their focus would have been on the CGI, special effects and any moment in the film when something was destroyed or exploded.

What I’m seeing, and what many other traditionalists are seeing, is the emergence of a tired formula of filmmaking that has the same angles, views, effects and devices with just a change of characters. “Sin City” and “The Spirit” were enticing for their graphic pulp imagery until that mode of filmmaking also became self-parodying, lackluster and tired. Now, any film made in that style immediately takes me back to the others, lacking in imagination, storytelling and -- let’s say it -- joyful fun. Special effects do not a movie make.

You would think that DC and Warner would have learned that expensive lesson from “Superman Returns,” but it was not meant to be. (I often referred to Routh’s Superman as Supershowercurtainman, because that is what it looked like to me, covered in little tiny “S” symbols.)

So let’s get to the business of how the costume that defines Superman in the first place becomes a deal-buster when pitted against what is largely lauded as a sterling cast, in hopes of a compelling and exciting storyline.

Why isn’t it the same as the revisions on Batman, taking away the trunks and the two-tone nature of the costume and just spray painting him black from head to toe? It isn’t the same because of the fact that Superman was defined in PRIMARY COLORS with design features far more intricate and compelling than the Dark Knight’s. His costume was always on the darker side, designed to instill fear in his enemies, incorporating a mask and a scalloped cape, drawing on images of blood-sucking bats.

Superman was based on exhilaration, and the fact that he could fly. Unlike Batman, Superman has always been a kind of messianic figure, an only son sent by a benevolent father to save the world. The costume went through some metamorphosis but landed solidly in the 1950s in finished form, and has remained with us ever since, adorning everything from lunch boxes to T-shirts to Halloween costumes to gift bags.

Superman -- as he was seen before Superman Returns -- has been an indelible image in American popular culture for more than half a century.

So the first real argument against Cavill’s costume is that you aren’t simply going to sweep away what is now being referred to as the “classic” costume just by claiming that it was time for an “update.” We’re connected to that costume. We’ve seen it or envisioned it literally thousands of times.

What is being sold as an update simply isn’t one. Skipping the rubbery textures and the 3D emblem, what immediately strikes the viewer is that something is missing -- the trunks -- and there’s a belt where one isn’t needed. The contrast is gone, a splash of red color where we expect to see it has been removed.

We’re left with the feeling that “something just isn’t right.”

And for me, growing up, part of the whole thing was noticing when someone screwed with it or “got it wrong,” as was the case for the highly collectible but always dreadful Ben Cooper versions of the costume at Halloween.

They were made from a stiff, shiny, inferior fabric designed to catch light and reflect some of it back to cars as kids walked unfamiliar roads on cold nights wearing masks. The cape was always void of a yellow “S” symbol, and was always too short to feel majestic. The emblem was only artistically similar to the one in the comics, with too much curve and not enough angle, laid over a yellow diamond-shaped field that allowed for a yellow border all the way around. No belt loops on the….where were the trunks? Could this have been a shadow of things to come?

Indeed. That was the first place they disappeared from -- Cooper’s costumes -- and that was the first thing I thought of when I saw Cavill’s suit. It’s the 1960s all over again. Except that Cooper’s awful suit had a belt that looked more like a gun belt, with vertical ridges across the front, with a SQUARE BELT BUCKLE with an “S” on it (no symbol, just the letter “S.”) When I first saw Routh’s costume, it was the 1960s Cooper printed-on belt that I thought of as I contemplated that costume’s ridiculous belt.

Keep in mind that these were not the analyses of some prejudiced, backward thinking adult, but the keen awarenesses of a 12-year-old boy in the 1960s. When they got the costume “wrong” even back then, I protested loudly. I wanted Superman kept pure. It made me feel secure, knowing that my hero looked the same from day to day. Even at an early age, I understood the maxim, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

But that’s apparently how DC and the film’s backers and writers saw him -- broken and in need of repair. And by stripping him out of his trunks and belt, the character is going to be revived? Not so. Instead, it’s going to alienate and isolate all of us who thought that everyone else got it right before Man Of Steel came along, from Christopher Reeve and director Richard Donner forward.

Christopher Reeve’s costume -- which the revisionists can never erase from the collective consciousness of fans -- is part of their problem.

Why? Because it was literally perfect to the design we came to know and love in every way, perhaps too much so today. Every appointment of the costume, from the way it fitted him to the colors and the cape worked brilliantly. That it was so perfect, and that Richard Donner actually figured it out and knew how Superman was supposed to look is the strongest validation for the position I’m taking here. It’s proof that I’m not crazy, backward thinking or stuck in a bygone era in need of updating.

It’s proof that I’m right. You simply do NOT allow the marketplace to drive a character and determine how it is going to look. You don’t do polls and sampling and see what color belt that the fans seem to like best. Siegel and Schuster gave us the character and magnificent artists from Curt Swan to Alex Ross brought him to full fruition and development as an iconic image.

And now, the short-sighted (if not desperate) owners of the copyright and a defiant studio are going to screw with it even worse that Louise Mingenbach did in the last film. Apparently, they didn’t hear the stories I heard about marketing studies done on the toy lines that came out of Superman Returns, where little boys ages 7-12 looked at SR-based toys and figures of Brandon Routh and shocked researchers with variations on the phrase, “That’s not Superman!” We know how that one turned out. Every product related to Superman Returns tanked, being rushed to clearance tables as fast as they could be carried from the top shelves. Both widescreen and full screen DVDs of the film wound up in Walmart’s $5 rack.

But that is part of what is driving this image change for Man Of Steel, the need to separate the new film’s image from the iconic one so that products ranging from dolls to lunch boxes will stand out and tag back to the film. Otherwise, the “new” Superman is only Cavill’s head and neck pasted on the body. It is an immediately offensive motive, altering the character’s look as a marketing move.

For that to actually work, you’d have to wait about 100 years for my generation to die off completely, for the youngest among us to die of extreme old age and for their children to grow old enough to forget what great-grandpa’s Superman looked like. All lines of products bearing the image would have to find the trash dumpster or the antique store. All memories would have to be erased for it to work.

And even then -- in 2113 -- would it work? Would removing his trunks and changing his belt and rendering his costume as a rubbery looking mess with a 3D emblem make the character or the comic or the film any better than letting him remain what Siegel and Schuster created in the first place, an image that captured the imagination (and wallets) of millions of fans?

What some of us will be witnessing in 2013 will be an exercise in arrogance, in marketing gone awry, in revisionism gone wild, in creative vision sacrificed at the altar of polling and sampling. And speaking of polls, it is worthy of note that one conducted on the ComicBookMovie.com website has mixed result, misinterpreted by the pollster as “most of you think it’s time for change.” Wrong. Do the math while keeping in mind the relative youth of the audience of the poll:

“Great decision, I love this costume!” -- 44.74%
“It looks okay, with or without them.” -- 27.91%
“I hate it and think they need them (the trunks)!” -- 27.35%

In fact, that puts those either in opposition to the change, or those wishy-washy about it in the majority -- 55.26% -- and this isn’t even a scientific poll to begin with, made up of mostly voters under the age of 40. (This same group of voters liked Marvel best over DC, it should be noted.)

We saw some tweaking over the years. Kirk Alyn’s costume had an oddity or two, given the limited materials available to them. George Reeves cape had a heaviness about it, but his emblem was simple and evocative while he looked magnificent wearing the suit. Chris Reeve brought it all home with the most beautiful and perfect costume imaginable at a time when nobody would have dreamed of doing what they’re trying to do now. Even Dean Cain’s costume was a bit shiny for some of us, with an overly stylized emblem that was a bit too large but close enough, and a rectangle belt buckle that blended in well enough to escape notice.

None of these were extreme enough to kill the films or TV shows under the costume. But this time, to use one of the most famous euphemisms of all time, they’ve gone too far. With a release date in 2013, some of us can only hope that they Mayans got it right when they stopped their calendars in December 2012.

But if they were wrong, Superman will endure long after Man Of Steel has tanked like its predecessor, Superman Returns, and all of the Henry Cavill toys have gone to the clearance table at 75% off. For those like me, who need the occasional thrill of seeing Superman in the flesh, actually flying and fighting Zod, we always have the immortal Chris Reeve to turn to for that fix.

The real Superman. Trunks and all.



And as a P.S. for those sold on the reboot costume, consider what this compromise might have been to the film (hats off to the artist, Michael Stribling at www.michaelstribling.com):



Who among you could not have accepted this image as Superman? It would have satisfied both traditionalists and revisionists by giving him a "new look" and at the same time preserving the design that made him iconic.
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ballstothewall
ballstothewall - 8/30/2011, 8:04 AM
Yeah your absoloutly right.
jamedog
jamedog - 8/30/2011, 8:11 AM
While I understand that Superman is a classic character and his costume iconic, sometimes things need to change.

What Superman's costume will look like will have no effect on how good the movie will be. We fans need to stop taking things at face value and judge a CBM for it's quality, and not what the costumes look like.

And also, good luck with your boycott. I'm sure Warner Brothers won't miss your ten bucks
SKOne
SKOne - 8/30/2011, 8:15 AM
I think the costume will be great, I wish people would realize that changing it doesn't make the old comics, movies, and tv series go away. If someone is a hardcore classic Superman fan then they can still go back and watch a live action Superman with the trunks if they want.
magicrick
magicrick - 8/30/2011, 8:20 AM
Times millions of people who agree with me, they will. And I will have to respectfully disagree with you about the costume having no effect. It had an effect on me, and as eventual comments will reflect, I'm not alone. The last thing I want to do is sit in a theatre as angrily as I did when watching Superman Returns, my mind constantly reflecting on how awful the suit was.

The suit defines the character in this context. Only in Smallville (the TV series), where the costume never appeared in full form, was the focus solely on Clark/Kal-El. Having NO costume, let alone a badly designed one, the series flourished on the notion of the story all coming BEFORE Clark became Superman.

But with this glaringly bad version of the costume constantly confronting those of us who find it unacceptable, any quality to the film's story, effects, acting or anything else is lost as our eyes dart away or try to avoid noticing the costume. I'd rather not be there, and it isn't a boycott at all.

It's a no-show. Warner has more to worry about from the ones who DO show up, and report what they saw. That's what happened with SR, and that is also what will happen (I believe) with MOS. Time will tell. Thanks for writing.
seaman
seaman - 8/30/2011, 8:22 AM
i only read half your rant but i will read the rest later i promise
magicrick
magicrick - 8/30/2011, 8:26 AM
To SKOne: I said as much in my article. I still have George and Chris. And if you are right, Warner will be thrilled, they will rake in the money and the reviewers will paste stars all over the film. But my money is on the tank.

Do this: Imagine this same star-studded cast, with a powerful storyline, the best special effects ever, including flying sequences -- but Superman's emblem is on his BACK, under the cape, his midriff is showing (short tunic), his boots are replaced by elf boots, and his face looks like Ernie from Sesame Street. Film still work for you? No? So we're strictly talking about a range of extremes.

For you, the changes -- basically stripping the trunks, changing the belt and making the whole mess look like a scuba wet suit -- aren't extreme. For me, they are. The ultimate test will be the box office. Place your bets.
magicrick
magicrick - 8/30/2011, 8:27 AM
Sorry seaman, not a rant. A point of view, like yours. Please read with an open mind, and thanks.
magicrick
magicrick - 8/30/2011, 8:31 AM
For readers of these comments, which I'm monitoring now closely after the initial posting, those just made by the reader Nephillim really sum something up for me -- the kind of aggressive attitudes of some who want everything edgier, tougher, meaner, different, and all at the expense of the traditions of the character. If he wants to take my empty seat at the theatre, bless him! But his aggressive take on my critical views will not validate him if I turn out to be right -- something that a commenter like him will never admit after the fact.

To him, I'm a "nit picky purist." In fact, if I were, I would have had problems with the Dean Cain costume. It's a matter of extremes, Nephillim, and this version simply went too far for my money. If you disagree, we will wait and see what you think AFTER the film comes out in 2013. Hope you like it. You may not.
magicrick
magicrick - 8/30/2011, 8:36 AM
Not a drastic change, kevberg? Then pray tell me, why was it made at all? Why all the interest? Why was so much attention drawn to it? Why did DC do it in the comics, and add a RED belt? To what result?

What I'm looking for right now is a reader who has actually read some of the more compelling points of the article, and has a counterpoint to them. All I'm seeing now is, "Oh, get over yourself, dude. It's still Superman, just without the speedos." What's next to go? The cape? The leggings? Why not make him bald? Where do the changes stop? And again, to what result?
magicrick
magicrick - 8/30/2011, 8:38 AM
Sorry, kevberg, again not so. Those who don't care up or down cannot be counted as "in favor." If we put the trunks back on with CGI, they come along for the ride and say "Fine." Those hardcore in favor of massive costume alteration are STILL well under 50%.
jamedog
jamedog - 8/30/2011, 8:56 AM
So who are the millions who agree with you? You make it sound like a cult or something and this is just a movie based off a comic book.

I totally understand your attachment to the classic costume, I really do, but things have to change.

The "underpants on the outside" look has become a joke, a caricature of the superhero image. Updating the Superman look, ever so slightly, will make general audiences take the character more seriously.
magicrick
magicrick - 8/30/2011, 9:00 AM
Measly and inconsequential? So change it back. The movie isn't destroyed. It will be what it will be -- just as SR was. Care to comment on that? JUST as star-studded a cast (Kevin Spacey as Lex, and Frank Langella as Perry, for crying out loud), special effects out the wazoo and the same backing. What happened, sir? They forgot to bring a story worth watching. Those who meddle with the character so shamelessly often have the same lack of vision when it comes to a script.

Your claim of annoyed contempt does nothing for your disclaimer of an aggressive tone. Let's just mark you as being passionate in your views. I'm not here to confront or insult. You are entitled to your opinions. But pardon me -- when my absence in the theatre seating is celebrated by reference to me not being there to "hog it up," that comes off a bit aggressive. Enjoy your seats. In fact, I won't be there -- and I'm not the least bit upset about it. Superman is safe in my DVD case, with ALL of his costume on.
ClarkJohn27
ClarkJohn27 - 8/30/2011, 9:02 AM
Magicrick, I respectfully disagree with a good amount of this article. I also do appreciate your enthusiasm for Superman and his history.

I really have become a fan of the new suit. I think the DC reboot looks very cool, but maybe a little to "plate-armor" like. The MOS suit takes the best elements of the new DC reboot suit and still pays enough of an homage to the classic look. In all, i think Cavill's suit looks like a true Kryptonian "suit" and less like a costume.

Also, as another poster mentioned, your own poll indicates that 68% were in favor of or didn't really care about the change. And that is two years before the film comes out. Two years of exposure to the reboot suit and with more stills from the movie and even a teaser or two later and I am pretty sure that the number of positive responses will only go up. Which is all to say I think your title "deal buster for millions of fans" is a bit misleading, particularly since you give evidence that only 27% of hard-core fans (those checking out Superman stuff two years before the movie release) are of that opinion.

With all that said, you are of course entitled to your own opinion. And to a degree, I can understand where you are coming from. I, however, am really pumped for this movie and can't wait for the reboot too.



ClarkJohn27
ClarkJohn27 - 8/30/2011, 9:09 AM
Oh, and just to add, I have to agree that I think the extirpation of the underwear does qualify as a fairly minimal change overall change. Of course, we could debate what that means all day, but it is not a large change.

Superman is still rocking the red and blue color scheme, he still has his cool logo displayed on his chest, he still has a majestic cape flowing behind broad shoulders, and he's still physically built like no one's business. And more importantly, there has been no indication that the character's attitude has really changed. This is still Superman.

The essence of Superman - and his appearance - was never confined to a pair of red trunks.

magicrick
magicrick - 8/30/2011, 9:14 AM
Thank you, ClarkJohn, for a truly intelligent and thoughtful entry. You sound like exactly the sort of commenter I'm looking for here, one capable of a point and counterpoint. When you have the time, go back through what one writer dismissed as my "rant," and give me a tasty example of one to three points you disagree with, since you've identified yourself as having disagreed "with a good amount of this article."

I'd be genuinely interested in your counterpoint, since all of this is subjective opinion anyway. I've heard others reflect my own views in more emotional ways. With these changes, they feel something has been taken away from them. They've been robbed of their ability to relate to the character because he doesn't look the same, even though (as a previous writer noted) 98% of him is still there.

I'm not quite as emotional about it. I'm actually closer to a comment made by Nephillim -- I'm coming from annoyed contempt, that someone thought it to be so flawed after 70 glorious years that they had to alter it. I know the rush I would have felt to have seen a costume closer to, let's say, Earth One. But I know the sinking feeling of disappointment and disgust that my son and I both felt at seeing the mess Henry Cavill showed up wearing.

Let's hear that counterpoint. Pick one to three points where you think I got it entirely wrong, and let's have fun with this. It's all mute, and out of our hands anyway, but let's give Warner and the studio something to think about while people with no appreciation for the traditions of the character go about trying to make a movie that we'll all go watch.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/30/2011, 9:20 AM
While I agree that some characters have costumes that should never be messed with (Superman and Spider-Man come to mind) I can honestly say that this will not stop me from seeing the movie.

As iconic as some of the costumes are...the costume does not make the character. Yes it looks different, but do you mean to tell me that if they get Superman's character perfect, 100%, then you will still refuse to go see it? I'm sorry, but I can't get behind that.

I completely respect you're editorial, I think it was very well thought out, and you can tell that you put a lot of yourself into it. So good job. Unfortunately, I do not agree.

again, the costume does not make the man.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/30/2011, 9:24 AM
Also, I agree, special effects do not make a movie. However, all it will take is for the general audience to see one special effects driven trailer with action, and the movie will not bomb. I can promise you that.

This movie will not fail. Its Zack Snyder. the trailer will bring the audience.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 8/30/2011, 9:27 AM
So you are not going to see the movie because of his Suit change. You call yourself a Superman fan
G
G - 8/30/2011, 9:29 AM
I agree that the suit doesn't need to be "updated" (at least, not that drastically, especially with the darker color tones, and the 3D rubber emblems and 'enhanced muscles'). The old/classic Reeve suit DOES still work (If it didn't, would we all still be dying for a new movie after all these years? Because, THAT's the Superman we all think of, right? If the suit doesn't work anymore, why do we always think of Reeve, even to this day?) It's all about the actor IN the suit.. how they carry themselves, their posture, their assertiveness, etc. The person in the suit has to SELL the suit. If they sell it, then the bright colors and the red trunks won't seem out of place or "outdated". The suit will make perfect sense, with the right person in it.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/30/2011, 9:35 AM
@ magicrick

my biggest disagreement here, is how you state that Superman Returns had the actors and all the special effects, but they forgot to bring the story.

Well what happens if they bring the story and the proper characterizations, but they forget the classic costume at home. Does that really hurt the quality of the film and adaptation?
magicrick
magicrick - 8/30/2011, 9:39 AM
WOW! G gets it!! GREAT comment. The very fact that a change took place at all makes THEM anal, NOT me. It's all about the ACTOR playing the role, and the power of the storyline. NOT the special effects. I have a vision of an ENTIRELY different, even more realistic way of approaching the special effects that would greatly enhance the story. But that vision will not be seen on screen in my lifetime, because of an addiction to CGI and all of the tech toys that go with it.

Just because you CAN do something on screen doesn't mean that you SHOULD, and what we're doing is wearing down and desensitizing the public while raising an impossible bar for the special effects folks. Back to the suit: G makes a strong case when he/she says "the person in the suit has to SELL the suit," and if they do, the "red trunks won't seem out of place or 'outdated.'" EXACTLY! Why alienate traditionalists like me? Why count out our money or drag us along for the ride?

Consider this -- if the red trunks were added back at this point, the revisionists would be HOWLING at the moon, calling it "lame" and "dated" and any other critical word they could think of. Isn't this what's happening in the American political environment right now? Some of us holding on to traditional views and ways of governing ourselves, while a group of revisionists want to smack down the borders, redistribute the wealth, burn the flag and tear up the Constitution?

Once upon a time, tradition was celebrated. Now, it's viewed as a relic, covered in cobwebs, in need of a paint job. G knows where I'm coming from. Thanks, G.
magicrick
magicrick - 8/30/2011, 9:43 AM
Let me turn it around for you, CorndogBurglar -- if the producers suddenly "saw the light," and changed the costume back to a more Earth One style, as many had hoped for, would you have a problem with that?

What if the trunks came back on a more traditional Superman costume, with a slightly darker but true to palette color scheme? No 3D emblem? And a yellow "S" back on the cape? Would you care, if the story was a great one? Or would you whine like some of the revisionists on here and call it lame?

Your thoughts, please.
alucard365
alucard365 - 8/30/2011, 9:47 AM
i like the new suit, it doesn't look stupid like the old one. the era of the trunks are coming to an end, so get over it. its not a deal breaker for million of fans, because Superman doesn't have million of fans. he's comic sells are super down, that's why DC is rebooting him in the new 52. Batman makes up 70% of DC comic sells, Superman needs a serious revamp, his old and stale.
JayJayCAW
JayJayCAW - 8/30/2011, 9:48 AM
magicrick I with you as far as the movie suit goes, he basically looks naked and that.....its just wrong...thats not Superman, he appears to have a belt but most of the shots we've seen of the suit its either barely visible or just a belt buckle floating in the middle of his suit.

While I dont 100% love the comics new armor suit......at the very least they got the color scheme right, the red belt makes it stand out, shows that yes there is a separation between the top and bottom and he still has his trunks, only there blue now :S.

There are many aspects of "Man Of Steel" that I think are just plain "FAIL" and the new suit is among them.

Hell if they changed the movie belt to a red one that you can actually see.....it would make a world of difference because we'd at least get that color scheme back.

alucard365
alucard365 - 8/30/2011, 9:49 AM
Oh and DC needs to seriously change their poster boy from Superman to Batman.
Knightstalker
Knightstalker - 8/30/2011, 9:51 AM
Stick to your guns MagicRick, you are not alone. Despite popular opinion, this little website is NOT the end all of opinions on Superman. Most of my friends, you know the ones you actually spend facetime with every day, don't like the new suit either. You are allowed your opinion and there are enough people even on this little website that agree with you to continue this nauseating debate forever with the people who disagree with you.

As for those who say "If you don't like it then you're not a real fan", being a fan of anything does not mean you have to blindly accept whatever is being shoved down your throat. We can still be fans and say, "Yes, we like that" or "No, we don't like that".

The debate will continue. Some like the change while others will not. The true test will happen when the movie is actually released.
gc2332
gc2332 - 8/30/2011, 9:53 AM
So Ricky, you say to one commenter, "Sorry, not a rant. A point of view, like yours. Please read with an open mind, and thanks."

Yet you are not willing to do the same to Nolan/Snyder/Goyer in seeing THEIR point of view in the form of their completed film with an open mind. You've already made up your mind on a film you have yet to see, and you claim will never see. Why should anyone take you seriously or address your comments on the level of some mature logical debate that you'd prefer when you've stated right off the bat that you are choosing *the most illogical and immature reaction* to this film by not even giving it, or the filmmakers, the benefit of actually SEEING it first and THEN coming to some sort of judgment on it. Frankly, you don't deserve a reasoned debate, and that's your doing. See the film and then let's talk.
WesMantooth
WesMantooth - 8/30/2011, 9:57 AM
Ok, this is my first time commenting, but your article compelled me to write...
Like you, I love the traditional costume. There is no doubt that it is dated to some degree, and though I recognize your passion for the character and the way he is portrayed, I'm sure to some small degree you can agree that putting an actor in a 2013 movie in a costume similar to the one Kirk Alyn wore decades ago is foolish.
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