SUPERMAN & LOIS Showrunner Indicates That Arrowverse Crossover Events Are Now A Thing Of The Past

SUPERMAN & LOIS Showrunner Indicates That Arrowverse Crossover Events Are Now A Thing Of The Past

Superman & Lois showrunner Todd Helbing has reiterated that the show's Man of Steel isn't the same one we saw in the Arrowverse and suggests we won't be seeing any future crossover events. Check it out!

By JoshWilding - Jul 19, 2022 11:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman & Lois
Source: Looper

Say what you will about the Arrowverse, but there's no denying that those big crossover events were a lot of fun. Crisis on Infinite Earths, for example, pulled out all the stops and included huge cameos from the likes of Ezra Miller and Tom Welling. 

Unfortunately, the end of shows like Arrow, Supergirl, Batwoman, and Legends of Tomorrow has made this world much smaller than it used to be. Throw in the recent revelation that Superman & Lois takes place in its own reality, and it's hard to imagine we'll be treated to any future crossover events.

Now, that's essentially been confirmed by Superman & Lois showrunner Todd Helbing. 

"We're a different planet, a different Earth," he tells Looper. "The Superman that you saw in all the crossovers is not the same as the Superman on our planet. It's clearly a doppelganger. Part of how this all folds in the big picture with DC is ultimately a DC decision. I'm sure there'll be more clarity in the future, but as of now, we're a different Earth in the DC Universe."

"That version of what we did is probably [done] because we don't have all of those characters anymore. [From] those shows, all the actors are going to go on and do different projects, or life is going to make them busy," he said of possible future crossover events. "It's hard to speculate other than they're still comic book shows. There are guests in comic book shows all the time."

"I don't know if we'll have exactly the same thing - it's hard to perceive [what could happen in] the superhero genre. It would be great if, four years from now, there was a completely different second wave of this. We could do those. They were a lot of fun, but it's hard to say."

Helbing isn't closing the door completely, but it's pretty obvious that there's nothing planned. When Superman & Lois first launched, we were going to see a "World's Finest" crossover with Batwoman that was scrapped due to the pandemic. With that in mind, it clearly wasn't always the plan for this show to take place in a world completely separate to the wider Arrowverse. 

Something obviously changed, and we'd guess it's due to Warner Bros.' evolving relationship with The CW (not to mention the launch of HBO Max). 

Alas, when The Flash races through its final episodes, it appears we'll be saying goodbye to the Arrowverse...

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GhostDog
GhostDog - 7/19/2022, 11:24 AM
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 7/19/2022, 11:28 AM
So is Jon Cryer this universe's Lex or can we get a better Lex Luthor?
Odin
Odin - 7/19/2022, 12:04 PM
@BobGarlen - Recasting a more serious Lex Luthor for Superman & Lois, how about Christopher Meloni. I think he could really bring a menacing Lex Luthor, kind of a bad guy you'd just love to hate.
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 7/19/2022, 1:21 PM
@Odin - why not? Would be better than 2 and a half luthors.
Repian
Repian - 7/19/2022, 2:37 PM
@Odin - Christopher Eccleston

NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 7/19/2022, 3:16 PM
@BobGarlen - Jon Cryer's Lex is still great. Takes a lot of nerve to pull off the things he did even when he was backed against the wall.

Odin
Odin - 7/19/2022, 3:35 PM
@Repian - The Doctor could work too. Though he might come of as a bit too similiar to Adam Rayner's Morgan Edge/Tal-Rho if not done carefully.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 7/19/2022, 11:32 AM
DC’s whole new motto

The1st
The1st - 7/19/2022, 12:03 PM
@slickrickdesigns -
RageDriver2401
RageDriver2401 - 7/19/2022, 1:08 PM
@slickrickdesigns - WB/DC reached the acceptance stage of grief, they've accepted they suck at the whole universe thing and are simply better at more self contained projects.
DudeGuy
DudeGuy - 7/19/2022, 11:32 AM
Not a moment too late
Origame
Origame - 7/19/2022, 11:35 AM
Look, I get it's not exactly terrible this good show isn't in the same universe as the train wreck that is the current cw verse. But...come on. This was clearly always meant to be in that rebooted universe. Crisis ended with hoechlin superman learning he has two sons, diggle was in the series, and it's revealed there were plans for both supergirl and batwoman to have cameos and only didn't because of the pandemic. Don't pretend this is how the plan was always meant to be.
Odin
Odin - 7/19/2022, 12:12 PM
@Origame - But it is kind of confusing that if this show was originally meant to happen on the same universe as Supergirl, how would season 1 main plot make sense? Like why would there being other kryptonians, who might invade, be any big deal, if Supergirl had already dealt with similiar threats and Earth was full of superpowered aliens as it is? I think that the production was pulling in two directions at the beginning. It might've started as a just spin-off of Supergirl, but there were some people writing this like a independent show from the get go.
Origame
Origame - 7/19/2022, 12:29 PM
@Odin - yeah but that's also run of the mill at that point in the cw verse anyway. Supergirl is constantly fighting alien invasions on her show, flash is always facing speedsters faster than the one before, and they just dealt with a universe ending crisis.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 7/19/2022, 11:37 AM
Maybe DC can finally break ties with the CW teen drama shows and finally focus on more HBO max content like Peacemaker. I’d really like to see a good Nightwing or Deathstroke movie or show. Both characters are great for an action packed low budget series or movie.
Repian
Repian - 7/19/2022, 11:41 AM
It would be great to see Superman visiting Lex Luthor in prison. Maybe before Lex's execution

Lex Luthor hasn't seen Superman in years, but there are big secrets out there and the criminal mastermind wants to talk.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 7/19/2022, 5:34 PM
@Repian - At this point this is their best case scenario to go with and that would make most sense in this continuity.
Repian
Repian - 7/19/2022, 6:04 PM
@Repian -
I think it would be an interesting scenario. After years on death row and never seeing Superman, Lex Luthor returns to the life of the Man of Steel. It's all part of Lex's master plan. The last good-bye.

Of course, Lex dies at the end of the season.
Odin
Odin - 7/19/2022, 11:57 AM
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 7/19/2022, 11:58 AM
The finale was a massive disappointment imo. The last few episodes started to feel like every other Arrowverse show. They focused too much on shit that didn't matter which led to a rushed finale where Superman resolved the entire season's conflict in 3 minutes. It should not have been that easy.

RageDriver2401
RageDriver2401 - 7/19/2022, 1:05 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - agreed, rest of the season was good but it dragged a little towards the end, and the resolution was pretty abrupt.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 7/19/2022, 3:45 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - Superman & Lois S2's mistakes were clearly because of underveloped storylines that were not properly executed. It's really about just that.

No Lois and Natalie storyline as it was teased in the ending of S1.

Nothing came out from Jon and his abuse of the X-Kryptonite drug, especially when Clark found out and it created a rift between them. Never at all did we get to see how they came up from that. Had they at least focused and solved these two storylines (Natalie-Lois, Clark-Jon) then things would've flowed a lot better.

The story behind the pendant Ally had was another storyline that was undecut and underdeveloped. Never did we find out why in the first place her family had it passed down in generations. This could've been fixed if Lois was given the same focus on doing her job as a journalist to get to the bottom of it like in Season 1 with the X-K in the mines, John Henry and Tal-Rho.

And I'll add that killing off Bizarro in the 7th episode wasn't either the best creative choice, especially once his son Jon-El gets throw into the story's fray.

It's sad to see that if these had been dealt with then Season 2 would've been as good as S1. This is the only other Arrowverse show besides Black Lightning that had an average Season 2 story.

MuadDib
MuadDib - 7/19/2022, 11:58 AM
It may be done better than most other CW DC shows, but it’s still just a CW show. Lots of teenagers, a overly padded suit, lame storylines.

Removing the potential for crossovers with established characters is dumb, although I can see the appeal of not wanting to be tied down w previous storylines and the difficulties of dealing with actors who have moved on.

I guess it opens them up to recasting and essentially starting a new universe with new actors playing Flash etc etc, but it kinda sucks for anyone whos pushed through with shet shows just to stay up to date to just throw that all away and start from scratch.

DC is a joke in general lately and that is the biggest disappointment of all.

Arthorious
Arthorious - 7/19/2022, 4:41 PM
@MuadDib - there could be potential having them on HBOMax. Cut all ties to the CW and I mean everything. Even Titans suffers greatly for that since it has Berlanti’s hands on it.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/19/2022, 12:06 PM
I kinda hope the Flash's last season is just gonna be one big cross-over with all the characters that are available (including Superman) in the Arrowverse. The cross-overs are probably the thing from the shows I enjoyed most.
supermanrex
supermanrex - 7/19/2022, 12:10 PM
just a [frick]ing waste. damn corporate asshats [frick]ing everything up to make a damn buck and lose a million bucks cause their corporate meddling in stories pisses people off with stupid story choices and bad decisions. just a sad [frick]ing waste.
micvalpro
micvalpro - 7/19/2022, 12:15 PM
GOOD. Now give us a younger, better Lex and focus on Superman stuff we've never seen before. I wouldn't mind if the season became 10 episodes each. This show should be used to reboot the DCU on tv. I really wish it was HBO Max instead though.
dracula
dracula - 7/19/2022, 12:34 PM
I can live with that

They peaked at Earth X

Elseworld was fun but a step down

Crisis felt less like them having a good idea for how to tell the story and more like an obligation to tell it
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 7/19/2022, 12:36 PM
Shame with them introducing the Justice League after years, but if it means more focused stories I'm all for it.
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