THE FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER Did Indeed Cut A Potentially Controversial Subplot Prior To Release

THE FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER Did Indeed Cut A Potentially Controversial Subplot Prior To Release

There have long been rumblings about Marvel Studios cutting a virus subplot from The Falcon and The Winter Soldier, but that's finally been confirmed. Find more details on what might have been right here!

By JoshWilding - Oct 18, 2023 06:10 AM EST
Source: The Direct

Like WandaVision, production on The Falcon and The Winter Soldier was paused due to the pandemic. The show was supposed to be the first Marvel Studios TV series to hit Disney+ but became the second; the impact was minor, though Valentina Allegra de Fontaine ended up making her debut in Black Widow

We've long heard rumblings that COVID resulted in some big changes being made to the team-up, including the removal of a virus subplot thought to be based on the Madbomb concept from the comics. 

In the recently released MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios, written by Joanna Robinson, Dave Gonzales, and Gavin Edwards, it's confirmed this virus was indeed removed from The Falcon and The Winter Soldier

"'The Falcon and the Winter Soldier' had already cancelled location work in Puerto Rico after a devastating earthquake in January 2020," reads an excerpt from the book. "The pandemic not only forced the show to abort a shoot in Prague but made a planned plotline about the heroes rushing to stop a fast-spreading disease feel a bit too close to reality."

"Spellman acknowledged that the series had removed the side story," it adds, "although he said that it wasn’t because of the coronavirus."

That's likely a reference to an interview in which Head Writer Malcolm Spellman said, "I loved it, and it had nothing to do with the pandemic...I want to see if we can get some of the writers to do a book run on it because I think Kevin [Feige] does it. I've been told to stop talking about it."

The Flagsmashers largely underwhelmed as villains and that could be because they were lacking an effective McGuffin. There have been rumblings about a possible racial component to The Falcon and The Winter Soldier's Madbomb, with it prompting those affected to attack people of a certain race. That's never been confirmed but, if accurate, it's easy enough to understand why it was scrapped. 

Marvel Studios' The Falcon and The Winter Soldier stars Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson aka The Falcon, and Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes aka The Winter Soldier. The pair, who came together in the final moments of Avengers: Endgame” team up on a global adventure that tests their abilities—and their patience.

Directed by Kari Skogland with Malcolm Spellman serving as head writer, the series also stars Daniel Brühl as Zemo, Emily VanCamp as Sharon Carter, and Wyatt Russell as John Walker.

Do you think Marvel Studios made the right decision by cutting this virus storyline from the show?

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tylerzero
tylerzero - 10/18/2023, 7:32 AM
I know most didn't like The Falcon and The Winter Soldier, but...

Vigor
Vigor - 10/18/2023, 7:35 AM
@tylerzero - I'm with ya!
Gabimaru
Gabimaru - 10/18/2023, 7:44 AM
@tylerzero - the last episode was the only thing i didn't like about the series. it needed more episode to fleshed out john walker's internal struggle to make him more like homelander of the MCU but they drop the ball on that and it felt like they were rushing towards the finished line.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/18/2023, 8:23 AM
@tylerzero -
@Vigor -

I'm torn on it. Felt like the show all over the place in character stories in the back half.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 10/18/2023, 10:20 AM
@tylerzero - I thought it was great
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 10/18/2023, 10:22 AM
@Gabimaru - I don't think he should be homelander like. Within the context of the show, he believed he was doing what was right, but due to hubris, PTSD, and humiliation he made some terrible decisions
Lokiwasright
Lokiwasright - 10/18/2023, 10:26 AM
@tylerzero - pushover
Fogs
Fogs - 10/18/2023, 12:53 PM
@tylerzero - I liked Bucky, Walker and Bradley.
Fogs
Fogs - 10/18/2023, 12:54 PM
But the villains were so bad they managed to almost destroy the show imo.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/18/2023, 4:55 PM
@MyCoolYoung - I think he should've become an anti america villain by the end.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/18/2023, 4:56 PM
@Fogs - I think Walker was messy as a character and felt, to me, like he bounced between the show's writing for him within the show.
DanFlashesShirt
DanFlashesShirt - 10/18/2023, 11:03 PM
@tylerzero - i thought it was pretty good, had the right tone and feel, some sick action scenes. It just needed to be longer. The show needed another 2-3 episodes in order to balance all the storylines that were happening. There were a LOT of different storylines going on when you think about it.

All the Sam/Shield/John Walker stuff was great. I thought the way they explored the ramifications of Sam taking the shield/mantle was well done.

Zemo and the Wakandans was a fun element.

It was the Powerbroker/Flag Smashers plot that got messy and felt under-developed. I just never felt invested in the villain’s motives, and thought that girl just came off as kind of a brat. They could have used an extra episode with flashbacks to their struggles/life experiences to help explain why they were doing what they were.

I think a gritty flashback to Walker in Afghanistan also would have gone a long way.

I didn’t like that Bucky’s story kinda took a backseat after the first episode. I was looking forward to seeing him confront his past as the WS and make amends.

And yes, keeping the pandemic storyline would have made it much better. When you watch the final few episodes knowing that, you can tell the Flagsmasher’s original plan was different. My theory is that the Matripor scientist would have also developed a weaponized virus that the smashers were going to unleash on the world to knock the population back down, but were going to vaccinate themselves and lower class people or something. That’s why in the 2nd episode there was a whole highway chase sequence built around them stealing vaccines. It seems like they decided later to just change the plot to them simply wanting to murder that global relocation council.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 10/18/2023, 11:44 PM
@dagenspear - I wouldn't be mad at that. He should teether the line for sure.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 10/18/2023, 7:44 AM
Carl Lumbly was so good in this.
Gmoney84
Gmoney84 - 10/18/2023, 7:47 AM
It’s was a good show. One of the better ones Marvel has done.
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 10/18/2023, 7:49 AM
Show has aged like milk. But I dig Sam. Also kind of wish they kept Kari Skogland around.
Origame
Origame - 10/18/2023, 7:54 AM
So a virus that makes you uncontrollably racist to the point of attacking people of that race instantly on sight?

Can't tell if that more or less stupid than a spear that can remove the evil from a person by stabbing them.

Truly current day marvel is the pinnacle of storytelling 🙄
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/18/2023, 8:21 AM
@Origame - Or it had nothing to do with it. I think that's reasonably concerning the race thing only really got brought up with the Isaiah Bradley stuff and a couple scenes elsewhere in the show. It wasn't exactly the driving story of the series.
Origame
Origame - 10/18/2023, 8:29 AM
@dagenspear - ...I'm just saying its a stupid idea.
Radders
Radders - 10/18/2023, 8:40 AM
@dagenspear - Didn't Sam give up the shield because he was black, pretty sure that was a major plot point? It led to Bucky apologising to him for Cap and him treating Sam like an equal instead of focusing on his skin colour
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/18/2023, 4:53 PM
@Radders - Sam's reasons for giving up the shield are barely even explored until the episode before the finale. His reason are a plot point, but not heavily developed.

That's your reading on what he was apologizing for. I would read it like the conflict is more about them not considering Sam's emotions of whether or not he wants it and why he wouldn't. Do I agree with it? No. But that, all by itself, again, isn't really explored.
Radders
Radders - 10/20/2023, 8:43 AM
@dagenspear - I think its pretty clear, given the repeated racial themes in the series, why Sam give up the shield and why Bucky apologises but fair enough
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/20/2023, 3:44 PM
@Radders - I'm just speaking on what the show spends time on. That may have been Sam's motive and all that, but the show doesn't put a lot of weighted time on it.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/18/2023, 8:02 AM
Awful show, I was hoping this show was gonna be like CA the winter soldier, not a terrorist loving, racism bad lecture. Bringing in more super duper soldiers again was a stupid plot line. it really undoes the importants of Dr. Abraham Erskine when some random nerd in shipping container can just come along do what he did but "better" without the muscle....., Bu11sh1t. bucky was just a sad whipped boy in that show. The good thing from the show was the us agent and zemo, but my god him putting the mask on for 3 seconds only to take it off and smile at the camera was cringey as sh1t but I guess they needed to sell that new marvel legends toy.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/18/2023, 8:20 AM
@harryba11zack - I think the racism thing is among the least of the show's issues.
marvel72
marvel72 - 10/18/2023, 8:06 AM
Most of the Disney Plus shows are shit, how many of them have got a second season.

Just Loki.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 10/18/2023, 8:08 AM
@marvel72 - because most of them were movie scripts they chopped up lol
Fogs
Fogs - 10/18/2023, 12:55 PM
@marvel72 - Well at least they did this one thing right, give their best show a S2.
asherman93
asherman93 - 10/18/2023, 6:26 PM
@marvel72 - Well, that and What If?

Then again, most of them were intended to be limited series.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 10/18/2023, 8:28 AM
I'm guessing the madbomb was pure baseless rumours. No way they went that direction. Despite Sam referencing the big three (and hinting how weird the MCU is), a madbomb still sounds too out there for the MCU.

Glad they scrapped an additional plotline though. FATWS is one of the few shows so far that doesn't go into too many directions. Pretty straighforward, and reason why I like it
JDL
JDL - 10/18/2023, 8:38 AM
Odd I liked the Flagsmashers. The problem they addressed was logical and for me interesting.
Radders
Radders - 10/18/2023, 8:44 AM
Terrible villains, weird morality, weird race stuff, Sam not acting like Sam, Bucky sidelined and his arc abandoned.

Zemo, Isaiah and Walker were the only decent things in it
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/18/2023, 4:54 PM
@Radders - I think Walker was all over the place writing wise though in the show.
Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 10/18/2023, 9:20 AM
This show was the beginning of the downfall for me. Was hoping for Captain America: The Winter Soldier vibes and couldn't have been more disappointed. Maybe I should rewatch with lowered expectations. I might enjoy it more.
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 10/18/2023, 10:17 AM
Show was a mixed bag. Flagsmashers were awful. And now with all the super soldiers and the super skrull bs, why do we even have the heroes anymore? If the point is that the universe after returning from The Blip is falling into complete disarray due the ancient timeline falling apart, they're actually accomplishing it in a way.
Lokiwasright
Lokiwasright - 10/18/2023, 10:25 AM
Reality?


MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 10/18/2023, 10:26 AM
The flagsmashers were the worst part of the show, but I'm not in agreement with everyone else. The show was great. I loved it upon rewatch.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 10/18/2023, 12:23 PM
Cowards. So many turds here called us conspiracy theorists for perpetuating a cut virus subplot too.
hue66
hue66 - 10/18/2023, 7:58 PM
I must be in the minority because I thoroughly enjoyed everything about the show. Perhaps a little less about the villains and Sam holding on to a vehicle but everything else especially the dynamic between Bucky and Sam. That was smart pairing these for a shoe. Two friends of Cap that didn't really like each other. And the banter between them. Smart writing and some good action. Agent was a good addition.
DanFlashesShirt
DanFlashesShirt - 10/18/2023, 11:04 PM
I thought it was pretty good, had the right tone and feel, some sick action scenes. It just needed to be longer. The show needed another 2-3 episodes in order to balance all the storylines that were happening. There were a LOT of different plots going on when you think about it.

All the Sam/Shield/John Walker stuff was great. I thought the way they explored the ramifications of Sam taking the shield/mantle was well done.

Zemo and the Wakandans was a fun element.

It was the Powerbroker/Flag Smashers plot that got messy and felt under-developed. I just never felt invested in the villain’s motives, and thought that girl just came off as kind of a brat. They could have used an extra episode with flashbacks to their struggles/life experiences to help explain why they were doing what they were.

I think a gritty flashback to Walker in Afghanistan also would have gone a long way.

I didn’t like that Bucky’s story kinda took a backseat after the first episode. I was looking forward to seeing him confront his past as the WS and make amends.

And yes, keeping the pandemic storyline would have made it much better. When you watch the final few episodes knowing that, you can tell the Flagsmasher’s original plan was different. My theory is that the Matripor scientist would have also developed a weaponized virus that the smashers were going to unleash on the world to knock the population back down, but were going to vaccinate themselves and lower class people or something. That’s why in the 2nd episode there was a whole highway chase sequence built around them stealing vaccines. It seems like they decided later to just change the plot to them simply wanting to murder that global relocation council.
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