FARGO Producer Noah Hawley Talks LEGION Pilot & How Deal With Marvel Came To Be

FARGO Producer Noah Hawley Talks LEGION Pilot & How Deal With Marvel Came To Be

Marvel & Fox revealed their plans for two X-Men universe television shows: Legion and Hellfire this week, and now, a new interview with producer Noah Hawley has shed some light on Legion.

By RohanPatel - Oct 17, 2015 04:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Legion
Source: TV Insider

20th Century Fox Television, FX Networks, & Marvel Entertainment made headlines earlier this week when they announced the production of two X-Men universe television series: Legion, which will introduce David Haller, & Hellfire, which will be set in the 1960s and follow The Hellfire Club.

Immediately following the announcement, a variety of rumors began to circulate about how/why Marvel and Fox were striking up this particular deal, but nothing fruitful was produced (although it should probably be noted that Marvel Studios' current president Kevin Feige received his start in the movie business from Lauren Shuler Donner on the first X-Men film) and shortly therafter, every rumor was debunked when both studios came out and denied any ulterior motive behind their new partnership.

A new interview with Noah Hawley, who will write the pilot episode for Legion and will also serve as one of the show's executive producers, has seemingly confirmed the fact. Speaking with TV insider, Hawley revealed that the show had been in the works for quite a while and was only held up because of Marvel's extensive dealmaking process: "Fox has rights to make movies and sort of tacitly the rights to do TV, but they've never done it before so they had to work out all the details." Sounds like a good enough reason, best to get all the kinks worked out before embarking on such an ambitious project.

Hawley went on to confirm that Bryan Singer & Lauren Shuler Donner, who are the masterminds behind the X-Men film universe, were also the brains behind the bringing the X-Men to television. They pitched the idea to Fox Networks Group chairman/CEO Peter Rice, who had previously greenlit Singer's first X-Men film, and once he expressed interest, the project was more or less a go. Without any character attached, the idea was brought to Hawley and he was asked whether he would be interested in exploring the X-Men universe following a successful first season of Fargo. His reaction:


"I'm not a huge comic person. I read a lot of X-Men growing up, but it's not something that was my life-long dream to do something like this. But what's nice is I just started the process, not even based on any of the characters from the universe, but I just started thinking about that world and if there is an interesting show to play around that idea of mutant-outsider identity. The thing about the X-Men franchise that’s so unique is it's a movie that starts in a concentration camp. And so you know that it's actually concerned with real-world morality and evil. It also has these diametrically opposed points of view that are both right.

Magneto feels that he knows humans will try to wipe them out because they're a fear-based animal, and so they have to be wiped out first. Which, given his past, is a totally legitimate feeling. And you've got Professor X saying, no, we have to teach them, and get them to the place where they can accept us, which is also a totally valid point of view.

I like those two morally opposite ideas could exist in this world. I basically came up with a TV show that I wanted to tell and then found the right character for it. It was more about trying to find my way to what the show was. In some ways reverse engineering it. We found the perfect character. But it has to be a great show, it can't just be a great genre show.
"


As to why he specifically decided to adapt Legion, Hawley further explained:

"What I really like about him is, here's a character who is schizophrenic on some level, a character struggling with mental illness. Is he crazy or does he have these powers? The answer is, kind of both. I'm a big believer that the structure of a story should reflect the content of the story. And so I liked the idea that if you have a character that doesn't know what's real and what's not real, that is also the audience's journey."


Well, it sounds like fans everywhere may be in for something special whenever this project comes to pass. Hawley, who will be coming in hot after producing two critically acclaimed seasons of Fargo, also said that he plans to kick off production on Legion by "the end of January or early February." He then adds: "hopefully we've made something great and we can shoot the rest of the year and go from there."

When further prodded about how the show will fit into the bigger X-Men film universe, which has its biggest film to date, X-Men: Apocalypse, slated to release in May 2016, Hawley explained that while the show is set in the same world as the films, it is being conceived as more of a standalone: "I don't want to say too much more about it on that level, but certainly it's not constructed as a back-door anything. It's more just that there's a story that I want to explore that has to fit into that larger universe, which is exciting." He was then asked whether there would be any chance of a crossover with Hellfire, which was jointly-announced alongside Legion, or would the two shows be set in separate worlds: "I think more the latter. We certainly haven't had any conversations about crossovers. I don't know anything about it, but I think that one is more linearly taken out of the world of the movies. Ours has its own world to it." Considering Hellfire is expected to be set in the 1960s, Hawley's reply wasn't all too surprising. 

Finally, it seems as though Marvel Television will have at least some involvement with the two X-Men shows: "FX Productions is the lead studio. My relationship is with FX primarily, and I'm just getting to know Jeph Loeb and the people at Marvel, and I think it's going to be collaboration in the best sense." It's probably safe to assume their involvement will be minimal at best, but it's certainly interesting to see Marvel & Fox working together so openly. 

So, what do you guys think? Excited for Legion & Hellfire? Sound off with your thoughts below!


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Kozmik
Kozmik - 10/17/2015, 4:32 PM
Hawley is leaving out some important details (which he might not know) under the heading of "Marvel's extensive dealmaking process," namely what did Marvel get.

Apparently, based on what he said, Marvel could have been a spanner in the works, yet they weren't.

So, once again, why did they go with this deal?
BlackIceJoe
BlackIceJoe - 10/17/2015, 4:39 PM
I just hope one of the things Mavel got from this was the rights to Dr. Doom. You don't need the F4 to use Doom, so it would have been nice if Marvel could have gotten at least one thing from this. Sadly I don't think that happened. Hopefully Fox does something with the X-Force next, be it a movie or tv show.
Shazam
Shazam - 10/17/2015, 4:48 PM
Well............
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 10/17/2015, 4:50 PM
Marvel Studios isn't at all involved in this people. Feige's name was not on the press release.

This is Fox and Marvel Entertainment. There wasn't any rights swap that happened people. No one would trade movie rights for 2 TV shows especially one that will be on a cable network.
marvel72
marvel72 - 10/17/2015, 4:54 PM
Fargo Season 1 Brilliant

Fargo Season 2 Off to a great start

Interested in seeing both these shows.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 10/17/2015, 4:56 PM
Also yes Fargo is awesome so my interest for the has now increased.
Retribution13
Retribution13 - 10/17/2015, 4:59 PM
"I'm not a huge comic person..."

Boy that's assuring.
Trueruru
Trueruru - 10/17/2015, 5:00 PM
Why does everyone think that there was a "deal", this is no deal, FOX has always owned the live action tv rights to the X-Universe since day one. FOX was never smart enough to figure out how to do it right. FOX owes Marvel nothing, there is no deal, no borrowing, no exchange. FOX has to put in a request through Marvel whenever they make a movie and in this case, a live action TV show. Marvel might suggest something, but Marvel cannot deny FOX's request for a list of characters that FOX owns the rights to (in the X-Universe and F4 Universe). FOX puts in a request to Marvel everytime they make a movie. Marvel checks the request to make sure FOX's request does not interfere or have anything to do with the characters that they have the rights to. This is also how Marvel is able to make comic books that kind of tie in to the movies months ahead of the film's release.
Saga
Saga - 10/17/2015, 5:05 PM
The Legion series has soooooo many potential, really looking forward to it. I´ll have to see footage from Hellfire first to make judgement, im not that interested in it
Magnar
Magnar - 10/17/2015, 5:05 PM
Legion has a lot of potential if you look at the talent involved, even though he's a relatively obscure character. FX has put out some great shows and Fargo is the best one yet in my opinion. They also have a good track record of keeping shows alive even when ratings aren't great.
Saga
Saga - 10/17/2015, 5:08 PM
@AlphaMasterFlex

That would be so great!. I wish they also get Jason Flemyng to play Azazel and fully flesh him out
CaptainAmerica31
CaptainAmerica31 - 10/17/2015, 5:09 PM
There wasn't any "swap" becasue fanboys think there is some sort of bitterness between the two. Marvel just signed off on giving fox a show, who gives a shit? What is the purpose in getting rights out of that? There is no purpose behind it becasue it's a stupid narrative that fanboys like to cling to in order to justify their unreasonable hate towards one of the studios. Just cause Marvel signed off on this doesn't mean they wanted anything out of it. Stop trying to dramatize this crap, we live in the real world.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 10/17/2015, 6:35 PM
@Omarvls

I have a better chance of a billion dollars coming out of my ass the next time I take a shit then Eh Maybe getting a scoop involving a crossover with Deadpool, Daredevil, and Spider-Man right.
BlackPhillip
BlackPhillip - 10/17/2015, 6:43 PM
No way would Fox make a deal to have a crossover with the MCU.
JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 10/17/2015, 6:43 PM
@Levi

Be careful after Josh heard that scoop he will be running with a bucket..............
superotherside
superotherside - 10/17/2015, 6:51 PM
So they didn't get the Fantastic Four rights?

LEOSTRATOR
LEOSTRATOR - 10/17/2015, 7:05 PM
This is going to be a big fail.
BlackPhillip
BlackPhillip - 10/17/2015, 7:09 PM
@superotherside

They did get something. This is Disney we are talking about.
Kozmik
Kozmik - 10/17/2015, 7:14 PM
@Barchiel

Exactly. People who are saying that–apparently out of the goodness of their hearts–that Marvel just gave Fox the rights to two series based on the X-Men don't know what they're talking about.

As far as I am aware, Fox didn't have to rights to make television series based on the X-Men characters (this has been verified in numerous places). Suddenly Marvel lets them make not only one show, but two?

If you believe that they got nothing for it, I also have a bridge that i can sell you, cheap.

it may take time to be revealed, but Marvel/Marvel Studios has gotten something for their largesse, it's just a question of what it is.
Trueruru
Trueruru - 10/17/2015, 7:24 PM
There is no deal! There is no exchange! FOX has always owned the live action tv rights for the X-Universe since day one (see Generation X tv show on FOX). Stop the rumors! The only thing Disney owns is the animation rights for X-Men/F4. Disney got nothing from FOX! No deal! No trading!
dinoSlider
dinoSlider - 10/17/2015, 7:27 PM
@Trueruru "Why does everyone think that there was a "deal", this is no deal, FOX has always owned the live action tv rights to the X-Universe since day one."

This is incorrect. Due to the lawsuit over Mutant X, the original 1993 X-Men license agreement between Marvel and Fox was made public. It states, "Marvel reserves all television rights [based on the Property] (other than television rights with respect to the Pictures produced hereunder)."
GhostDog
GhostDog - 10/17/2015, 7:34 PM
They've got to work DOUBLY HARD to get non comic readers interested in an Xmen character that's NOT WOLVERINE. LEGION is a very obscure character only the most devoted X fans know of.
kakinurmawth
kakinurmawth - 10/17/2015, 7:35 PM
Marvel having such limited involvement makes me wonder they got in return...

1)This is isn't in the MCU
2)The writer will be dealing mostly with FX
3)Marvel will have limited involvement

patiently waiting to hear how Marvel Benefits from this deal...


LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 10/17/2015, 7:37 PM
@0megaDaGr0dd

Why on Earth would Marvel get something in return when Fox legally owns X-Men's film and TV rights?

I'll wait.
SAMURAI36
SAMURAI36 - 10/17/2015, 7:44 PM
Wow, so there's a difference between Marvel Studios and Marvel Entertainment? Between that and all the different studios owning Marvel's properties, it's a wonder that they make any money at all.
PsyGuy
PsyGuy - 10/17/2015, 7:49 PM
Why does everyone thing Marvel got something special??
I'm sure they're just getting a percentage of the profits. Not some character swap or whatever people are assuming.
kakinurmawth
kakinurmawth - 10/17/2015, 7:55 PM
Marvel isn't one to do anything "limited"

that's why this is weird. Why would Marvel say okay to be a part of something without being heavily involved... this deal is really weird considering Marvel's recent history.
kakinurmawth
kakinurmawth - 10/17/2015, 7:55 PM
this feels like pre-MCU Marvel
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