LOKI Spoilers: How The Season 2 Finale Sets Up The Multiverse Saga (But Does It Tie Into THE MARVELS?)

LOKI Spoilers: How The Season 2 Finale Sets Up The Multiverse Saga (But Does It Tie Into THE MARVELS?)

Loki season 2 concludes in a jaw-dropping manner, but how does the finale set the stage for what we've seen - and what's to come - in the Multiverse Saga? And are there any direct ties to The Marvels?

By JoshWilding - Nov 10, 2023 10:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Loki

In Loki's season 1 finale, He Who Remains talks about a threshold being crossed which many of us have long suspected was an indication the Multiverse had just returned. Sylvie killing the Kang Variant seemed to cement that, hence why it began branching off uncontrollably. 

Throughout season 2, we learn those branches can't thrive and that they all eventually die. It turns out this was He Who Remains' plan all along as the Time Loom was only ever designed to power his one, singular "Sacred Timeline." 

By setting Loki on this path and granting him a mastery over time, He Who Remains seems to believe the Asgardian will take his place - or join him - in the Citadel at the End of Time, keeping watch over his greatest creation. Instead, Loki chooses to give people free will, destroying the Time Loom and creating a Multiverse he sits at the centre of even if it means war is now inevitable. 

So, how does this set up Marvel Studios' Multiverse Saga and what does it mean for the MCU's future? 

Well, both Loki seasons 1 and 2 are now confirmed to be a prelude to this Saga. The show takes place shortly after Avengers: Endgame and arguably ends right before our first exposure to the Multiverse (which may have been Mysterio in Spider-Man: Far From Home seeing as he mentioned "Earth-616" or perhaps No Way Home when Doctor Strange's spell went wrong). 

It's hard to say when the TVA exists outside of time (as does the Citadel), but Loki recreating the Multiverse to give everyone in every single reality the chance to fight back against the Multiversal War is the perfect way for him to finally find his "Glorious Purpose."

As He Who Remains points out, Loki is always destined to lose, so perhaps his Multiverse will one day fall. We've seen hints of that with the incursions which destroy realities, but even if all those timelines are eventually destroyed, Loki has allowed everyone on the Sacred Timeline to escape the loop they were stuck in and make their own choices. 

Plus, if those timelines do eventually boil down to just one remaining "Battleworld," Loki will be free to enter the fight, with the God of Stories pitted against Kang.

As for the TVA, while they're monitoring the situation with He Who Remains' Variants, very little is revealed about what they intend to do next. However, that should lead directly into Deadpool 3, a movie we've heard will feature them assembling a group of heroes from across the Multiverse who stand a chance of defeating the Council of Kangs. 

Loki could be left as a standalone tale which simply introduced a lot of concepts Marvel Studios can expand on, all while providing important context for the Multiverse's creation for the fans who care to dive that deeply into it. However, we think the villain-turned-hero will be incredibly important to the Multiverse Saga down the line and while he may be alone at the end of time right now, he may well be the one who eventually saves the day. 

Oh, and as for whether the Loki finale ties into The Marvels...yes and no. While there's no direct connection, there is one part of the storyline that could be explored in future MCU films or shows.

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KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 11/10/2023, 10:36 AM
This episode is bittersweet. The writing was tight, the music was top tier, the cinematography was excellent, and the story, while still being confusing, played the proper emotional notes. MARVEL television at it's high end performance.

My biggest gripe: this episode confirmed what could've been done the entire time.
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 11/10/2023, 10:46 AM
@KennKathleen - I do understand there is a magic to stories that showcase a character going on an adventure only to end the story exactly where it began with little in the world changed save for the main characters themselves. I suppose you could look at Loki in a similar light... A lot of time was wasted just to wind up basically where we were save for the main characters.

Pretty much my only legitimate gripe is the lack of satisfaction I got from where the seasons leave us. They were experiences worthy of experiencing, but I'm left feeling kinda hollow in regards to the whole glorious purpose of the show beyond casual entertainment.

And I don't need to be preached to about how nobody can just enjoy anything anymore... For heaven's sake, were allowed to express criticism about the evolution of the genres we adore. I give Loki flowers, it was impressive in just about every single thing it did except for delivering a satisfying conclusion.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 11/10/2023, 8:29 PM
@KennKathleen -
It is an example of great creative that took it's time to get it right as well as top notch production at every level. Not a bit of it looked rushed or slap dash. Clearly Hiddleston had a big part in the story and the direction that the character has taken over the years. To have the villain who brought the Avengers together sitting at the center of time is just a stunning bit of storytelling. It is a shame that most of the rest of the D+ stuff doesn't live up to it.

Hopefully Majors doesn't wind up in the hoosgow because he's done a good job with it.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 11/10/2023, 8:36 PM
@Goldboink - Agreed. I would be disappointed in seeing Majors end at this point. It'd be like seeing Frieza never return after evolving to his 2nd form.

I believe Majors took high risks with his early appearances as Kang, so he could show the difference in his more dominant versions.

While the Ant-Man version is despicable, I hope the real Conqueror reveals that Microsoft Kang was pseudo "Slattery-like" in his claims. Ya dig?
Goldboink
Goldboink - 11/10/2023, 8:43 PM
@KennKathleen -
Honestly, I haven't been able to finish Quantumania. It's just so bad. When they just threw Bill Murray in there just to have him in an MCU movie I turned it off.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 11/10/2023, 9:22 PM
@Goldboink - I understand. From what I remember, It only gets worse. One & done.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 11/10/2023, 10:37 AM
Can't say i enjoyed S2 as much as S1, i mostly dug the last 2 eps and man...the finale was a BLAST.

I'm curious to discover what they do next and at this point, i rarely get to say that when it comes to Marvel and their business, lel.

Secret Wars really needs this kind of shit tho, you can't just depend on cameos, you also need a solid story.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 11/10/2023, 5:33 PM
@Doomsday8888 - pretty much 100% how i feel. S1>S2 for me. S1 was more entertaining and kept me on my toes the entire time. S2 was great, but mostly cuz of the last 3 episodes, with the finale being absolute peak MCU
Scarilian
Scarilian - 11/10/2023, 10:41 AM
Recreating the multiverse means none of the characters we've been introduced to in Phase 1-3 remain, they are gone. They were part of the old universe where their actions were orchestrated by Kang to bring about the events of Endgame so Loki and Sylvie could be brought to him, killing him and forcing one of them to take his place.

Season 1 erased Phase 1-3 Free Will
Season 2 erased Phase 1-3 From existing and then presumably remade them as Kang intended anyway?

The [frick]?
CyberBishop
CyberBishop - 11/10/2023, 2:08 PM
@Scarilian - from what I read and saw on a couple videos Loki essentially becoming the Yggdrasil of the multiverse happens before the multiverseal saga begins. Season one begins right after Endgame, then ends roughly at the same time Wanda comes into power at the end of wandavision. Season 2 looks to be only a couple days past that so it ends before Shang chi. This site gives a good take at the timeline including Loki S2. https://www.gamesradar.com/mcu-timeline-marvel-movies-tv-shows/
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/10/2023, 6:23 PM
@Scarilian - well, Phase 1-3 still happened. We saw them play out, and as per Bruce Banner in Endgame the past has happened regardless of you going back in time changing/erasing stuff.

And I suppose there was still free will. For example Tony still made the choice to punch Bucky in the face, despite knowing Bucky killing him parents wasn't intentional.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 11/10/2023, 9:22 PM
@CyberBishop -
@bkmeijer1 -

Phase 1-3 happened, but everything prior to He Who Remains dying was part of a scripted series of events with zero free will, all intended to result in Endgame in order for Loki to wind up meeting with Kang.

This would naturally as such include all the decisions along the way, especially the decision for Tony to punch bucky in the face, which quite bluntly was the cause of the division that resulted in them failing to stop Thanos in Infinity War leading to them trying the Time Travel method in Endgame.

At this point in the story, the destruction of the temporal loom resulted in the destruction of the entire multiverse including the original core timeline. Loki effectively rebooted it and replayed from scratch the events to reestablish the multiverse as he sees fit. He has taken over the multiverse and is manipulating it for a peaceful non-multiverse destroying outcome. As such there should've be any more multiverse threats because that would make Loki's role unimportant.

Free will must still not exist because Loki is orchestrating and actively seen shaping the multiverse into Yggdrasill - he's actively defining the shape, structure, choices, branches and paths. He's the 'god of stories' now and is making the MCU as his story, so any villains or threats are all something he should be able to control.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/11/2023, 3:58 AM
@Scarilian - the way I saw it was just Loki keep the branches alive, but he isn't influencing anything.

And free will doesn't really exist anyway now that I think some more about. Everybody is a product of their environment, and makes their choices based on that. Whether that environment was shaped by HWR, or the chaos of the universe.

Even us commenting isn't free will. I made the choice to write this comment, because you wrote one. Had you not done that, I wasn't put in the position yo write one myself.
elcapitan
elcapitan - 11/10/2023, 10:43 AM
Would be nice if this article mentioned that there were spoilers for The Marvels too. The title only suggests Loki spoilers. Thanks Josh.
Vigor
Vigor - 11/10/2023, 10:46 AM
@elcapitan - agreed. I mean damn. Seeing the movie at 2:30. Almost got there without spoilers lol
ElvenKingSlayer
ElvenKingSlayer - 11/10/2023, 12:11 PM
@elcapitan - @NateBest -This!

Far from the first time.
NateBest
NateBest - 11/10/2023, 2:11 PM
@ElvenKingSlayer - Thanks for the heads up! I just edited the spoiler out... I haven't seen 'The marvels' yet either, so VERY annoying.
JoeInTheBox
JoeInTheBox - 11/10/2023, 10:48 AM
"The show takes place shortly after Avengers: Endgame and arguably ends right before our first exposure to the Multiverse (which may have been Mysterio in Spider-Man: Far From Home seeing as he mentioned "Earth-616" or perhaps No Way Home when Doctor Strange's spell went wrong)."

The mention of Earth 616 was in relation to Quantumania as Mobius refers to the Kang being dealt with during the events of that. So the show definitely ends after the events of that.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 11/10/2023, 11:00 AM
I liked the acting and production value, b7t i was confused throughout most of the show about what's going on with the timeline etc....

I need to watch a heavy spoilers breakdown of the whole series when he gets to that.
Order66
Order66 - 11/10/2023, 11:02 AM
Its really a tragic ending for Loki. Now hes stuck holding timelines together for eternity.
ElvenKingSlayer
ElvenKingSlayer - 11/10/2023, 12:13 PM
@Order66 - Don't be sad for him; it's a glorious purpose!

And it's probably not for Eternity, only until Secret Wars
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 11/10/2023, 2:24 PM
@Order66 - I’m guessing he isn’t fully isolated. He is probably a more active watcher keeping everything together. Still tragic though.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 11/10/2023, 11:02 AM
The show was incredible 🥲
NGFB
NGFB - 11/10/2023, 11:04 AM
All a little confusing, but then I remember "sci-fi" and I'm fine.
Order66
Order66 - 11/10/2023, 11:07 AM
I dont expect Loki to come back until Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars.
Order66
Order66 - 11/10/2023, 11:09 AM
Whats crazy is that the Watcher is observing all this and refusing to interfere lol. He could easily get rid of Kang.
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/10/2023, 12:00 PM
It was a good episode but I think people (General audiences) are going to be confused by the time we get to Avengers:The Kang Dynasty and Avengers:Secret Wars if they haven't kept up.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 11/10/2023, 2:27 PM
@marvel72 - I think if they isolate the story with a solid foundational beginning it would work. Kind of like IW. You could go in fresh without having seen the others and still get an idea of what’s going on (though having seen the rest would make it more enjoyable).
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/10/2023, 7:39 PM
@JustAWaffle - But the last time some people have seen Loki he was killed by Thanos.

If he is involved with The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars,Loki is now the god of time and space.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 11/10/2023, 8:32 PM
@marvel72 -
Secret Wars will be easy for everyone. "Yada Yada Yada, everyone is hear and now we duke it out"
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 11/11/2023, 1:08 AM
@marvel72 - I was thinking more of a first timer going in, but oh dang what a surprise that’d be 😂

Like, “WTH? Ain’t he dead?”
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/10/2023, 12:04 PM
The quote about purpose, burden and glory was one for the banners
ElvenKingSlayer
ElvenKingSlayer - 11/10/2023, 12:08 PM
"The show takes place shortly after Avengers: Endgame and arguably ends right before our first exposure to the Multiverse"

The shows starts shortly after a branched timeline from the first Avengers(2012).

Don't know when it ends outside of the TVA(the real world that has time) but "Mobius" and his two sons are seen living in 2022(if I remember correctly).
Goldboink
Goldboink - 11/10/2023, 8:34 PM
@ElvenKingSlayer -
Correct. It's the Tesseract after all that got him into that mess. So that's when the multiverse actually started. It's a long way to go to prove that AOS was a variant timeline and not cannon, if there even is such a thing.
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