Zack Snyder Responds To THE BOYS' "Dawn Of The Seven" JUSTICE LEAGUE Parody

@Blergh - and not to forget that the media really bought in on the whole Marvel vs. DC train and Snyderfans vs. Critics trend.
It was hard to admit you didn't like a Snyder film as much as you praised it before release.
People don't like to admit that they were wrong

And some people just love edge

@GameOn - nowadays

Ha ha ha no. On a surface level there's a reason it is called a "Console War," Nintendo vs Sega was huuuuuuuuge, then Nintendo vs Playstation, Playstation vs X-Box, but even then the behavior exists in sports fandoms, cars, early movie studios ... basically it started whenever a second thing was created. This is, in no way shape or form, a new thing.

@JohnPain - I disagree! We have seen time after time that fans maintian their interest in characters no matter how long ago they were first introduced (Avatar, Top Gun, and Tobey McGuire Spiderman) or even if they started off poorly and simply rebooted with the same actor in the role (Deadpool).

@JohnPain - I disagree!

There is no data to suggest that the general AUDIENCE did not like Man Of Steel. While CRITICS did not like Man of Steel because they expected a remake of the Donner films, most fans seem to like it. The RT audience score for Man of Steel is 75% and you will be shocked to learn its Cinema Score is A-. BOTH of those scores are the exact same as Captain America the First Avenger and that is one of the great super hero trilogies.

They are trying to move on with the current iteration of Batman and I don't think that it has been received as well as many at WB beleived it should...box office wise. The Batman was a decent film and did well at the box office, yet the corosive effect of rebooting super heroes has taken its toll as c-list character Dr. Strange is about to overtake it at the box office. The LAST thing to do now is to reboot Superman and continue to corrode the brand.

@Forthas - You can't argue there's no data suggesting general audiences didn't like something and then in the next breath insist general audiences did in fact like that something.

If there's no data for one there's no data for the other.

Edit: By the way, the Audience Score (As laughable an indicator as that is) also has Thor Dark World at 75% and A- Cinema Score, and the box office difference is almost negligible ($668m for MoS, $644m for DW). I've been assured over the years that that wasn't a good movie and audiences didn't like it.

@Reeds2Much - You somehow misunderstood what I meant. Let me break it down. There IS data that measures what the audience thinks. There is no data that says any of those measurments indicate the majority of the general audience (by consensus) did not like Man of Steel.

As far as Thor Dark World goes, that is not a terrible film. You may not like it and people generally and rightly identify it as one of the weaker Marvel films but that does not mean most people would regard it as an overall bad film. My reading is that people regard it as midling. To Marvel's credit, they did not stop making Thor films. They just went in a different direction narratively BUT USED THE SAME ACTOR! Thus why they are successful and DC is not.

@obredaan - I am not even going to argue that Man of Steel did not have problems even though I believe it is grossly underrated. Your criticism as to why critics did not like Man of Steel.

"...but the film was just so dull"
What movie did they watch? That film had TONS of action scenes. I dare you to name a film that had more. I don't think even Endgame had more. It had one epic battle at the end that followed the Avengers going on boring missions in time. Man of Steel had the Attack on Krypton, saving the oil rig workers, and the first flight and that happens BEFORE the other Krytonians even get to earth which launches a whole new set of action scenes.

"...void of any heart"
discovering ones purpose in the world does not provide enough heart?

"Bad acting from Cavill"
Sorry, I just don't agree

"...no chemistry with Amy Adams"
Yeah! He just met her.

The REAL reason that critics did not like Man of Steel is because critics only vision of Superman was the one Christopher Reeve gave them. Because it did not meet that expectation, they dismissed it and there is proof. Looking at Superman Returns Rotten Tomatoes score which did try to copy Reeves Superman was liked by critics (74%) but not as much by the audience (61%). The reason there is such a difference between Man of Steel and Superman Returns when comparing audience and critic response is because critics used their pre-established expecations to judge the film. the audience understood that Snyder moved on and the character needed to evolve to a more modern take.

@Forthas - Where do you see it is a bad films?

Years of social media observation, this site included. People have been arguing Man of Steel is a good movie, but Thor Dark World is a bad film for years when they both have the same (again, laughable sources for this very reason) scores across the board. Take it up with them, I'm just pointing out how it has been. I can't stop you from pretending otherwise, but I can laugh at how historically inaccurate your stance would be.

@Forthas - My proof is better than yours. For instance I just looked up Iron Man 3. Higher box office, higher Tomato score, higher Audience scores. Reviled by the general audience.

So unless you have any actual data, then my flawed data is still superior than your lack of any data at all.

@obredaan - yeah MOS trailers were better than the film