ANT-MAN: Original Writer Joe Cornish Opens Up On What Led To Director Edgar Wright Leaving The Movie

ANT-MAN: Original Writer Joe Cornish Opens Up On What Led To Director Edgar Wright Leaving The Movie

Ant-Man writer Joe Cornish has shared some new insights into what led to Edgar Wright walking away from the franchise, elaborating on what led to the filmmaker butting heads with Marvel Studios brass...

By JoshWilding - Jan 28, 2023 06:01 PM EST
Filed Under: Ant-Man
Source: The Playlist

There was a time when Ant-Man was going to be helmed by Edgar Wright, but the filmmaker - who was attached to the project for nearly a decade - ultimately chose to walk away the year before it arrived in theaters. 

We've previously heard that the expansion of the MCU prompted Marvel Studios to push for a number of changes, and when Wright received those notes, he no longer felt it was possible to make the Ant-Man he wanted. With that, Peyton Reed was enlisted, but many of the set pieces in the finished product were dreamed up by Wright and writer Joe Cornish.

The Playlist recently caught up with the latter and got some new insights into what led to Wright's departure from the movie.

"When Edgar and I first met Marvel, they were in offices above a BMW showroom in Beverly Hills," Cornish recalls. "It was around the time of Ang Lee’s 'Hulk,' and [Jon] Favreau hadn’t even started working on the first 'Iron Man.' Superhero movies were not a thing. They were not perceived as a cool thing to do. They were kind of a cruddy genre."

"We worked on [“Ant-Man”] for something like eight years, on and off. And in that time, the landscape changed completely. The technology changed completely. Audiences fell in love with superhero movies. All the stuff that people loved in the ’50s, ’60s, ’70s, ’80s in comic books were suddenly translated on screen in a really direct way that had never happened before."

"That kind of overtook us in the sense that Marvel didn’t necessarily want the authored movie that Edgar and I wanted to make because, at that point, they had this behemoth on their hands," Cornish added. "They had this universe where the movies had to integrate. Edgar is an auteur. Edgar Wright makes Edgar Wright movies. In the end, that’s why it didn’t happen, I guess."

Despite the fact they left Ant-Man due to "creative differences," the writer was quick to point out that neither he nor Wright have any hard feelings towards Marvel Studios. He'd explain that "a lot of our stuff is still in there" and noted, "We feel connected to that cast as well because Edgar cast it. The designs are still in it."

While the Ant-Man franchise has very much become Reed's, it's easy to forget there were once rumblings about Paul Rudd and Evangeline Lilly considering leaving the movie after Wright's shock departure. Ultimately, the series managed to find great success, with Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania now set to kick off what looks to be an epic Phase 5.

That movie arrives in theaters on February 17. 

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Origame
Origame - 1/28/2023, 6:59 PM
Still wish we could've had the full Edgar Wright ant man movie.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 1/28/2023, 11:18 PM
@Origame - we all do.
CapA
CapA - 1/29/2023, 4:22 AM
@McMurdo - Not me, I thinkg Edgar Wright's films are weak, at least in the 3rd act. I'm good with what we got.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 1/29/2023, 1:42 PM
@CapA - sounds like a you problem.
CapA
CapA - 1/30/2023, 11:07 AM
@McMurdo - I'm fine with Peyton Reed, so no problem.
OriginalGusto1
OriginalGusto1 - 1/28/2023, 6:59 PM
"Around the time of Ang Lee's Hulk", "Favreau hadn’t even started working on the first 'Iron Man." No shit. It's called 7 years later.
OriginalGusto1
OriginalGusto1 - 1/28/2023, 7:01 PM
I'm wasted...It's 7pm. But, I still know how [frick]ing time works.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 1/28/2023, 7:07 PM
@OriginalGusto1 -

So you're not drunk enough. That's just sad.

DalekCraigWasson
DalekCraigWasson - 1/28/2023, 7:10 PM
@OriginalGusto1 - More like 3. Ang Lee Hulk came out in 2003, which is the same year Wright and Cornish wrote a treatment. Both Wright and Favreau were officially hired by Marvel in 2006, three years later.
SuperCat
SuperCat - 1/28/2023, 7:56 PM
@OriginalGusto1 - I had a feeling you were getting an early start with the drinks. LOL.
OriginalGusto1
OriginalGusto1 - 1/28/2023, 7:57 PM
@SuperCat - bow wow chicka wow wow.
OriginalGusto1
OriginalGusto1 - 1/28/2023, 7:59 PM
@SuperCat - It's snowin' like [frick] up here. I'm going nowhere. So, I'm with you all night!
SuperCat
SuperCat - 1/28/2023, 7:59 PM
@OriginalGusto1 - LOLOLOL!
OriginalGusto1
OriginalGusto1 - 1/28/2023, 7:59 PM
buckle up!
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 1/28/2023, 9:06 PM
@OriginalGusto1 - movies take a long time to make. 7 years is quick for a script and film to still get made. guerillmo del toro wrote his pinochio film 35 years ago and it finally just came out last year. both still came out good despite edgar wright not being part of it anymore.

crap like black adam should've stayed buried lol
OriginalGusto1
OriginalGusto1 - 1/28/2023, 9:08 PM
@mastakilla39 - Really? Damn, I had no idea.
OriginalGusto1
OriginalGusto1 - 1/28/2023, 9:08 PM
I'll be shutting up now.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 1/28/2023, 11:19 PM
@OriginalGusto1 - love you Gus. SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS I LIKE SHOTS
4N6
4N6 - 1/29/2023, 3:14 PM
@mastakilla39 - You're absolutely right about the time it takes to make these, but del Toro is a bad example of this, simply because he puts so much time into everything he makes anyways. Fingers still crossed for At the Mountains of Madness, 15-20 years later.
TopBoy
TopBoy - 1/28/2023, 7:01 PM
So in other words, they wanted cookie-cutter movies and Edgar Wright wasn’t having it.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 1/28/2023, 9:18 PM
@TopBoy - it wasn't about the tone, he left because he didn't want to integrate all the mcu crap they wanted. Edgar wanted a solo film that doesn't connect or setup the larger MCU and marvel didn't like that. Wasp, quantum realm, and all the tony stark connections were shit edgar wright wanted to throw away.

he wanted a film like shazam or transformers bumble bee where its kinda its own film and in its own universe. a film like antman and wasp minus that forced post credit scene is probably what edgar wright would've given us.
DalekCraigWasson
DalekCraigWasson - 1/28/2023, 7:04 PM
"He'd explain that "a lot of our stuff is still in there" and noted, "We feel connected to that cast as well because Edgar cast it. The designs are still in it."

Yeah, if you look at the teaser Edgar Wright filmed, some of the action beats are identical to some in the final film, like running on the gun. When it came out, Marvel was quick to say this and that was Reed or Adam McKay's, but there's still a lot of the original plans in the movie.

The costume was Wright, the design of which is being used more or less to this day, the cast was Wright, and Feige's said that every draft of Wright and Cornish's screenplay going back to the mid-2000s had the final fight on a toy train set in Cassie's bedroom. We don't have a leaked draft (hopefully one day) or early storyboards, but I'm guessing there's even more similarities there amongst the many differences too.

Wright has said he can't watch the final film, too much like watching your ex's wedding, but that Paul Rudd / Scott Lang was his favorite part of Civil War. He's also become friends with Feige again as of last year so that's nice.
dracula
dracula - 1/28/2023, 7:07 PM
unless there was a contradiction to what they had planned and he wasnt willing to make the needed change, they should have just let him do his thing, like really

like really most of the phase 1 movies work pretty well as stand alone movies
DalekCraigWasson
DalekCraigWasson - 1/28/2023, 7:19 PM
@dracula - The main disagreement was on Scott Lang's level of criminality. In Wright's draft, he was a master thief and had a much larger crew. The guy who plays Kurt (and Polka-Dot Man, etc.) said he was cast in Wright's version and had to find out if he was one of the gang kept or not.

Marvel wanted Lang to be softened and not be that much of a criminal. Marvel asked if they could have a couple of in-house writing guys (who are credited on Ant-Man and the Wasp but not the first film) could try doing a draft. Wright agreed but said that was when his heart left the project, if he was only director and no longer writer. He read their script, said no thank you, and left.

So they brought on Adam McKay (who they wanted to direct too) and he rewrote it with Paul Rudd to fit Marvel's requirements (McKay, being a Marvel fanboy, added the Falcon scenes and more stuff with the Wasp). Notice in the final film, Lang IS a thief, but a Robin Hood who only stole money from Bad People to give money back to the people it was stolen from originally.
dracula
dracula - 1/28/2023, 7:09 PM
james gunn, get him for Green Arrow or a flash reboot

wrights style would be perfect for either

or hell could get him for Atom
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 1/28/2023, 7:19 PM
@dracula - by the writers comments it doesn’t sound like Edgar is into making movies for a shared universe
DocSpock
DocSpock - 1/28/2023, 7:09 PM


Ant-Man.

Sounds like my Uncle Phil after he started wearing dresses when he wasn't even drunk.

McMurdo
McMurdo - 1/28/2023, 11:22 PM
@DocSpock - you're way more fun than the old Spock.
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