AVENGERS: Rumored New Details On Kang's Future, THE FANTASTIC FOUR's Villains, And MCU Reboot - SPOILERS

AVENGERS: Rumored New Details On Kang's Future, THE FANTASTIC FOUR's Villains, And MCU Reboot - SPOILERS

We have even more big MCU rumours to share with you today, this time revealing what the future does (or doesn't) hold in store for Kang the Conqueror, The Fantastic Four: First Steps' villains, and more.

By JoshWilding - Nov 14, 2024 01:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday
Source: The Cosmic Circus

The Multiverse Saga hasn't taken off in the way Marvel Studios probably hoped. Still, despite what some would have you believe, the studio has delivered more hits than misses...even so, there's is a real sense of "Multiverse fatigue" among fans and moviegoers. 

Now, they're rushing to the finish line: Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars. Jonathan Majors' legal issues (and subsequent firing) and the tepid response to Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania also changed things, meaning a returning Robert Downey Jr. will be the MCU's new big bad as Doctor Doom in place of Kang the Conqueror. 

According to The Cosmic Circus, Marvel Studios hasn't fully closed the door on Kang just yet. He has been sidelined, but "[is] gone for now. It doesn’t mean that character can’t be brought back later on down the road in some capacity, but if they do, chances are they’ll recast the character if they want to keep him as a villain or go with the Iron Lad route and use a younger actor to become Nathaniel."

This was to be expected, and plans for the TVA might have been similarly scaled back as the site's Alex Perez has heard we won't see the organisation again until Avengers: Doomsday

As for the MCU's supposed post-Secret Wars reboot, Perez has been told that the world will continue as if nothing happened. The Multiverse will begin anew, "and some changes will be added in which will have ramifications later on." 

This will likely be how Marvel Studios brings the Fantastic Four and X-Men to Earth-616, though we've previously heard that He Who Remains created the Sacred Timeline intentionally without them (a plot thread which might have been scrapped now he's a non-factor). 

We expect Doctor Doom to make his MCU debut in The Fantastic Four: First Steps' post-credits scene, but what of the team's other villains?

Well, if this rumour is to be believed, "the film’s first act has a sort of rapid montage of The Fantastic Four going up against multiple low-level villains from their repertoire of rogues. Mole Man is one of them."

Marvel Studios establishing a 1960s-era Fantastic Four only for future adventures to take place on Earth-616 in the present day seems strange and we can't help but wonder whether future movies and TV shows could take place across different realities. That would certainly allow the studio a little more creative freedom with certain characters, similar to the Ultimate line of comics.

As always, let us know your thoughts on these rumours in the comments section below.

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tRuckRogers46A
tRuckRogers46A - 11/14/2024, 1:13 PM
I wouldn't say there is multiverse fatigue, more like loss of interest as Marvel really haven't used it to its potential.
TrentCrimm
TrentCrimm - 11/14/2024, 3:01 PM
@tRuckRogers46A -

It's like they keep throwing threads out there, and then just dropping them, there's so many loose ends, and literal years before things get picked back up again, there's just too much on the plate and not enough time, attention, or money, to go around, so all we're left with is a jumbled mess of plot ideas, stories, and characters, that haven't gone anywhere.

tRuckRogers46A
tRuckRogers46A - 11/15/2024, 12:35 PM
@TrentCrimm - exactly!
tRuckRogers46A
tRuckRogers46A - 11/14/2024, 1:22 PM
I mean what multiverse did we actually get?

NWH obviously, a post credits in AM3, a quick trip across some other universes and several scenes in DSMOM, a post credits in The Marvels, What if? (doesn't count in my book as didn't link to any films), Loki (doesn't count as it's a TV show not really linked to any film after) and DP&W which took the piss out of the Multiverse..
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 11/14/2024, 1:28 PM
@tRuckRogers46A - Just because it's all from the viewpoint of the MCU doesn't mean it isn't multiversal. They don't have to travel to other universes for it to be so. And saying Loki doesn't count is just ludicrous.
Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 11/14/2024, 1:25 PM
I still think it’s kind of insane to replace Kang when he has a built in reason for looking different. You could easily just say all the variants we see from now are of the infinite number of them that just happened to look like the new actor, or even just pull a Hulk and say nothing and watch people not care.
FrankenDad
FrankenDad - 11/14/2024, 1:29 PM
@Ha1frican - Agreed. Spider-Man No Way Home had 3 vastly different Peter Parkers. Doom is admittedly more exciting, overall, but even that is hindered by the casting(hopeful RDJ nails it, just saying’)
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/14/2024, 5:23 PM
@Ha1frican - Once you go Doom, there's no more room.
FrankenDad
FrankenDad - 11/14/2024, 1:27 PM
Oh man, don’t waste too many villains in the opening act. Gotta save some for the follow up movies.
AnEye
AnEye - 11/14/2024, 1:32 PM
@FrankenDad - It's probably the more Earth based villains. Like Puppet Master, Mole Man, Diablo & Dragon Man sort of villains.
rychlec
rychlec - 11/14/2024, 1:53 PM
@Spoken - Yay..., Dragon Man! I would love that even for one scene.
AnEye
AnEye - 11/14/2024, 2:16 PM
@rychlec - Lol my first time seeing him in another medium was the Fantastic 4 game from the 2005 movie. But he should get his due. Just my assumption he will show up for those rumored scenes if true lol.
Kneeonbrown
Kneeonbrown - 11/14/2024, 2:38 PM
@Spoken - i want movies focusing on regular villains. Why does every villain have to threaten the fabric of the universe itself. Marvel makes its films predictable by repeating that threat level over and over again.
AnEye
AnEye - 11/14/2024, 2:49 PM
@Kneeonbrown - Um...random but ok.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/14/2024, 5:27 PM
@rychlec - Two scenes, he's gotta be in the Future Foundation later in the movie too.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 11/14/2024, 1:28 PM
I would have preferred Mole Man be the sole focus, but after the trailer I'm excited to see what they do with Galactus.
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 11/14/2024, 1:29 PM
@ModHaterSLADE - One of the best parts is we haven't even gotten the official trailers yet (unless you happened to be at one of the events).
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 11/14/2024, 2:05 PM
@MosquitoFarmer - True.
AnEye
AnEye - 11/14/2024, 1:29 PM
I wonder if "Kang Dynasty" would of featured Iron Lad trying to gather The Avengers to stop Kang, but inadvertently destroyed the Sacred Timeline causing Battleworld.
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 11/14/2024, 1:32 PM
Average movie goer doesn't under "multiverse" stories.. The Infinity Saga was a basic level understanding of the material which told a multi level story which was easily followable. Multiverse is a whole other level of understanding that was poorly designed for MCU years ago and, unfortunately, Mr. Feige was caught in a tough spot and had to allow properties to move forward in which he otherwise wouldn't have.
Try to explain the idea of infinite versions of yourself to your 70 year old parents or more.
SheepishOne
SheepishOne - 11/14/2024, 1:55 PM
It’s not multiverse fatigue, it’s lazy writing fatigue.

And I’m firmly in the Marvel camp. I love these movies for the most part. But the way the multiverse has been handled has been messy. The multiverse as a storytelling concept is already difficult to wrap your head around, because ultimately the potential to dilute the stakes and consequences of your film/universe is high. So you’ve got to the multiverse in a cohesive and coherent way. By that I mean, don’t have a dozen different access points to the multiverse (I.e. the darkhold, a Strange spell going wrong, the quantum realm, the TVA, etc.). Or rather, don’t have a dozen different access points that the core characters suddenly access all at once. You’ve gotta have a cause and effect chain that audiences can follow, otherwise your films just start feeling like a series of random events.

In the infinity saga, there is a clear cause and effect chain that can be followed to each infinity stone making its way into Thanos’ gauntlet. Go back and watch each of those MCU movies, and they all have an effect on how Infinity War plays out. This same approach really should have been applied to the multiverse. Or at least had a singular inciting incident that allowed for all of this to happen (like He Who Remains getting stabbed in Loki). Because as it stands, just about anyone can accidentally fall into a different universe if one or two things goes wrong.
CLTMAN29
CLTMAN29 - 11/14/2024, 2:01 PM
It still blows my mind that after establishing variants can look different from universe to universe they just….didnt recast Kang. The weird fear that people will associate the recast with negative legal troubles is, I think, mostly unfounded. The audience just want a cohesive story that pays off what’s been set up
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