RUMOR: Here's How Marvel Studios Plans To Write Kang Out Of The MCU Leading Into AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY

A new rumour claims to reveal how Marvel Studios intends to move on from Kang and his many Variants and, believe it or not, it may have already happened! You can find more details on those plans here...

By JoshWilding - Aug 01, 2024 12:08 PM EST

Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday

We first met Kang in his "He Who Remains" form at the end of Loki's first season. It was revealed that, following a Multiversal War, he was the last Kang standing and free to then create his own Sacred Timeline to rule over forever more.

Having grown bored with an eternity trapped at the end of time, He Who Remains hoped Loki and Sylvie would take his place. Instead, the latter killed him, though we'd later learn it was all part of Kang's plan as he knew he'd be resurrected after the failing Time Loom destroyed the TVA and branching timelines (all while leaving the Sacred Timeline to thrive).

Loki refused to follow He Who Remains' path and instead created a new Multiverse powered by him, giving everyone free will and his friends at the TVA enough time to prepare for the war to come with Kang's Variants.

We met one of those in Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania when it was revealed the Council of Kangs had trapped Kang the Conquerer in the Quantum Realm due to the threat he posed to their plans. And, in Loki season 2's closing moments, the TVA briefly mentioned that they were keeping an eye on Kang's Variants.

Now you're up to speed, we're sure you'll agree that there's still a lot of stories to tell with the time-travelling villain. However, according to The Cosmic Circus' Alex Perez, the idea is for Kang to just be...gone.

It seems we're meant to assume the TVA dealt with his Variants before they could start a war, leaving the Ant-Man threequel's post-credits scene and the villain's story unresolved. Seeing as Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars are still being written, this could change, but Kang clearly won't factor into those in any meaningful way.

The scooper adds that early plans called for Earth-616's Avengers to travel through the Multiverse, eventually arriving on Earth-100005 because that's where Monica Rambeau is supposed to be. Her presence there was meant to create an Incursion pitting the Avengers and X-Men against each other; whether that's still the plan remains unclear.

Doctor Doom is set to take Kang's place, of course, with Robert Downey Jr. taking over as the MCU's new big bad from the fired Jonathan Majors. Perez says Doom doesn't exist in The Fantastic Four: First Steps universe but acknowledges that could change following Saturday's announcement.

Do you think Marvel Studios is right to move on from Kang? Let us know in the comments section and many thanks to @ervindsouza for the banner above!

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thewanderer - 8/1/2024, 12:08 PM

He’s absolutely going to exist in the First Steps timeline.

They don’t introduce him now, while also stating that the F4 will be in both Avengers movies for no reason.

BobGarlen - 8/1/2024, 12:11 PM

@thewanderer - I am kinda worried they would be stupid enough to not have Doom in the FF's universe or not have a rivalry between Doom and Mr. Fantastic.

SpiderCop9997 - 8/1/2024, 12:28 PM

@BobGarlen - they better!

thewanderer - 8/1/2024, 12:34 PM

@BobGarlen - fwiw I also don’t think RDJ will be the only Doom we ultimately get. Whether that’s immediate or long term.

BobGarlen - 8/1/2024, 12:37 PM

@thewanderer - if he's not Doctor Doom, thee Doctor Doom, then I feel like it's worse. I already hate Doom getting the hand me Downey from Iron Man. But if he's not at least thee Victor Von Doom who has fought the FF there's no point in him being Doom.

Apophis71 - 8/1/2024, 12:45 PM

@BobGarlen - He should be THE Doom the F4 have had dealings with, however that would mean he isn't THE Doom of the Sacred timeline and thus could get a new actor take on THE prime Earth version after Secret Wars...

...we'll see how it all works out, get folk not liking the idea of RDJ as Doom and all of what that could translate as (on the fence at least myself after initialy being opposed when only a rumour) but till we have seen F4, the two Avengers and what comes after hard to call if it will turn out to be a net good idea or not.

BobGarlen - 8/1/2024, 12:49 PM

@Apophis71 - it doesn't make any sense to me to do a Doom from the Sacred Timeline but not an FF. It doesn't make sense if they had an FF from the Sacred timeline but focus on an FF from a different timeline, and it seems stupid if they do an FF from the Sacred timeline stuck in another universe that deals with a Doom from that timeline and. Ot their original one. I feel like there are limitless ways this could go bad and very very few it doesn't.

thewanderer - 8/1/2024, 1:04 PM

@Apophis71 - is what I’m thinking. I don’t think he’s going to be the only doom we see and not necessarily the long-term doom.

Apophis71 - 8/1/2024, 1:06 PM

@BobGarlen - The FF are not from the Sacred timeline currently anyway but will end up on it after Secret Wars so...

...we'll see.

Sure, there are ways where it could turn out bad, but are ways it could work well so on the fence till I know one way or another for now as not like we can change the decision now so will be what it will be and if it turns out to be good films we'll likely be OK with it (even if retaining niggles).

Apophis71 - 8/1/2024, 1:13 PM

@thewanderer - Yeh, they kind of teased there is a Victor von Doom connected to Zemo in the MCU we are yet to see and I don't think RDJ will be that one so...

BobGarlen - 8/1/2024, 1:21 PM

@Apophis71 - I Don't have enough faith in Marvel to be on the fence. The content they've put put since Endgame has mostly fallen flat with me. I'm not really a fan of much that they've done since Endgame and it's really made me not even want to see their stuff anymore.

thewanderer - 8/1/2024, 1:38 PM

@Apophis71 - yea wasn’t Latveria name dropped in FatWS?

Apophis71 - 8/1/2024, 2:12 PM

@thewanderer - Fairly certain Latveria was stated to be part of what led to Sokovia falling into war and Zemo thus loosing power and status, yeh. Sure terrorism, Hydra and Stark weapons were part of it all too but I do seem to recall it mentioned or at minimum implied Latveria factored into it all during FatWS.

SonOfAGif - 8/1/2024, 12:11 PM

Monica being trapped in Universe 10005 could work. Especially if they write it where the X-Men were dealing with space issues and whenever Deadpool was around it wasn't serious. I still think America Chavez and Deadpool play an important role recruiting heroes.

Malatrova15 - 8/1/2024, 12:11 PM

Was he a kang?

Izaizaiza - 8/1/2024, 12:14 PM

Sheesh. Reading that recap of the multiverse saga makes it clear why it has failed so hard. What a mess. Looking forward to a post multiverse MCU

JonC - 8/1/2024, 2:26 PM

@Izaizaiza - people were confused enough following the timelines of Back to the Future... Marvel hasn't made time travel and multiple-universes any easier by far to follow than BTTF

TheRogue - 8/1/2024, 12:15 PM

Imo I know people hate the young avengers, but I think it would have made sense to do that, with the iron lad storyline, then do kang movie (Not secret wars) then reboot the mcu.

Too late now.

SpiderCop9997 - 8/1/2024, 12:31 PM

@TheRogue - suppose they could still resolve the Kang stuff if they do a Young Avengers before Doomsday, but I don't think there's time now.

No point in Young Avengers post Secret Wars. The only young Avengers I wanna see after that are the real Avengers played by younger actors.

TheRogue - 8/1/2024, 12:38 PM

@SpiderCop9997 - Imo they [frick]ed up trying to do young avengers. They should have gotten it in phase 4, with Kate, Kamala, and so forth. Now they are too old.

Apophis71 - 8/1/2024, 12:52 PM

@TheRogue - Two or more things could be true at the same time.

They may have ditched Kang and the council of Kangs but COULD still have an evolved version of the Kang we had in a lesser role but as being refered to as the Beyonder...

...and could also have Iron Lad and Rama Tut turn up still as if not called Kang at any point and different actors it could be played in a way it isn't Kang (even though they are) in leaks.

So we'll see, I mean just cos Doom may be elevated to being the main antagonist we see onscreen doesn't mean there won't be something Kang related in the background even if we get VERY little of it in the film (such as one scene of Doom taking down the Beyonder and revealing he was Kang for a brief moment).

TheyDont - 8/1/2024, 1:42 PM

@TheRogue - Young Avengers who are all 30+

JonC - 8/1/2024, 2:28 PM

@Apophis71 - The big mistake they made with Kang was making every variant look the same... unlike in Loki where most Loki appear to be different people... it would have been easy to write in another Kang other than Majors if they did.

Timerider - 8/1/2024, 12:19 PM

I’d like to see Kang show up in Avengers Secret Wars post credit scene, like it’s not over yet, maybe have Jonathan Majors’ character change his appearance so he turns into another actor, fixing that issue and knowing it is the new Kang. We get a reboot of the MCU, but Kang becomes the new villain going forward, or maybe Magneto.

SonOfAGif - 8/1/2024, 12:21 PM

@Timerider - The Multiverse Saga will end and Kang will essentially be what Ultron was for the Infinity Saga.

TheRogue - 8/1/2024, 12:23 PM

@SonOfAGif - Ultron shlould be villain for a rebooted mcu. In the shadows

Timerider - 8/1/2024, 12:25 PM

@SonOfAGif - yeah, I figured that.

JonC - 8/1/2024, 2:29 PM

@TheRogue - Ultron is still lurking out there... when Vision 'destroyed' him he likely had part of Ultron go back into the mindstone... which might be why white Vision took off so quick in Wanda Vision when he got his memories back... this version of Vision doesn't really care about Wanda...

SpiderCop9997 - 8/1/2024, 12:25 PM

I think the important take away from the HWR scene is that having a multiverse might doom all reality.

The Kangs were just fighting each other for the survival of their own respective realities. They did the same in Time Runs Out, in the background. So the big takeaway is that incursions are gonna happen and all reality is doomed.

SonOfAGif - 8/1/2024, 2:11 PM

@SpiderCop9997 - Exactly. And that's why the TVA is trying to prune any Kang Variant because they have no idea of how to prevent the Multiversal War. They think eliminating Kangs is the only solution. All they are doing is delaying the inevitable.

JonC - 8/1/2024, 2:30 PM

@SonOfAGif - someone is always delaying the inevitable when running the TVA... its their job.

SonOfAGif - 8/1/2024, 2:31 PM

@JonC - Until Doom destroys it.

NinnesMBC - 8/1/2024, 12:25 PM

Moving on from Kang in this way after seeing Immortus, Rama-Tut and Scarlet Centurion plotting over their warfare with all their Variants + the TVA being on guard of his Variants is literally rushed and an underwhelming exit and ending to the story they had set up. We all have been waiting to see how that would work out, Kang is one hell of a character and all it took was to do the simplest thing: recast.

What is gonna happen as well with Renslayer? She is connected to that character and Loki S2's ending didn't specify what happens to her.

Moving on so quickly to Downey Jr.'s return in this way is an unearned cope out solution that shouldn't even happen. And seriously calling him as the "greated actor in the world" to portray Doom as Joe Russo said has to be one of the most overhyped things I've heard. It's like Marvel Studios forgot about the amount of criticism and heat they got 10 years ago about the casting of Elizabeth Olsen and Aaaron-Taylor Johnson as Wanda and Pietro for erasing their Romani ethnicity. Do they REALLY want to go through that again? Just that in this case it's even more blatant that ever.

They should've stuck with Kang, who has as much important ties to the Fantastic Four as well. And his Variant of Rama-Tut is as well linked to how a certain despot and evil Mutant from ancient Egypt will eventually rise to power once it is time to do the Mutant Saga. Ditching the character of Rama-Tut like this when his character's impact during the Kang Dynasty (BTW, that title > Doomsday) could perfectly set up Apocalypse's future is what I called wasted potential.

Tdlr; Kang should't be replaced and forgotten like this. Colman Domingo could've played him and he's a great actor that can play antagonists well enough. Or if not go for a rising talent like Damson Idris who can also play against himself as easily as Majors did.

I like RDJ and the Russo as much as the next guy, but this decision isn't the solution and hype generator they thought it would be, at least for me.

TheVisionary25 - 8/1/2024, 12:27 PM

@NinnesMBC - I agree!!.

NinnesMBC - 8/1/2024, 12:29 PM

@TheVisionary25 - Thanks. I needed to get that out of my chest. It sucks when the tools to fix this as easily as possible were there all along and yet they went in a totally different direction.

TheVisionary25 - 8/1/2024, 12:30 PM

@NinnesMBC - agree

I would rather they have stayed the course and finish the story they were in the midst of telling even if I’m intrigued by this RDJ Doom pivot to an extent.

NinnesMBC - 8/1/2024, 1:02 PM

@TheVisionary25 - They could've still done this with RDJ later, as long as they took their time which is unironically what they're known for more: not rushing things in terms of develping their movies.

TheVisionary25 - 8/1/2024, 1:06 PM

@NinnesMBC - I agree!!.

It just seems reactionary which is not really like them

NinnesMBC - 8/1/2024, 1:41 PM

@TheVisionary25 - Indeed, especially when they've had a lot of time between Majors' trials last year and the last 7 months to plan things for how to proceed. That's what WB used to do in the last decade when Marvel did something, so this is unlike them.

I don't know much either about another version of Tony called Superior Iron Man (many theorized that we'd see Tom Cruise as that in Multiverse of Madness) but apparently that's the Variant version that would make more sense to bring back RDJ as instead of selling him as Doom.

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