RUMOR: Here's How Marvel Studios Plans To Write Kang Out Of The MCU Leading Into AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY

RUMOR: Here's How Marvel Studios Plans To Write Kang Out Of The MCU Leading Into AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY

A new rumour claims to reveal how Marvel Studios intends to move on from Kang and his many Variants and, believe it or not, it may have already happened! You can find more details on those plans here...

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By JoshWilding - Aug 01, 2024 12:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday
Source: The Cosmic Circus

We first met Kang in his "He Who Remains" form at the end of Loki's first season. It was revealed that, following a Multiversal War, he was the last Kang standing and free to then create his own Sacred Timeline to rule over forever more. 

Having grown bored with an eternity trapped at the end of time, He Who Remains hoped Loki and Sylvie would take his place. Instead, the latter killed him, though we'd later learn it was all part of Kang's plan as he knew he'd be resurrected after the failing Time Loom destroyed the TVA and branching timelines (all while leaving the Sacred Timeline to thrive). 

Loki refused to follow He Who Remains' path and instead created a new Multiverse powered by him, giving everyone free will and his friends at the TVA enough time to prepare for the war to come with Kang's Variants. 

We met one of those in Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania when it was revealed the Council of Kangs had trapped Kang the Conquerer in the Quantum Realm due to the threat he posed to their plans. And, in Loki season 2's closing moments, the TVA briefly mentioned that they were keeping an eye on Kang's Variants. 

Now you're up to speed, we're sure you'll agree that there's still a lot of stories to tell with the time-travelling villain. However, according to The Cosmic Circus' Alex Perez, the idea is for Kang to just be...gone.

It seems we're meant to assume the TVA dealt with his Variants before they could start a war, leaving the Ant-Man threequel's post-credits scene and the villain's story unresolved. Seeing as Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars are still being written, this could change, but Kang clearly won't factor into those in any meaningful way.

The scooper adds that early plans called for Earth-616's Avengers to travel through the Multiverse, eventually arriving on Earth-100005 because that's where Monica Rambeau is supposed to be. Her presence there was meant to create an Incursion pitting the Avengers and X-Men against each other; whether that's still the plan remains unclear. 

Doctor Doom is set to take Kang's place, of course, with Robert Downey Jr. taking over as the MCU's new big bad from the fired Jonathan Majors. Perez says Doom doesn't exist in The Fantastic Four: First Steps universe but acknowledges that could change following Saturday's announcement.

Do you think Marvel Studios is right to move on from Kang? Let us know in the comments section and many thanks to @ervindsouza for the banner above!

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thewanderer
thewanderer - 8/1/2024, 12:08 PM
He’s absolutely going to exist in the First Steps timeline.

They don’t introduce him now, while also stating that the F4 will be in both Avengers movies for no reason.
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 8/1/2024, 12:11 PM
@thewanderer - I am kinda worried they would be stupid enough to not have Doom in the FF's universe or not have a rivalry between Doom and Mr. Fantastic.
SpiderCop9997
SpiderCop9997 - 8/1/2024, 12:28 PM
@BobGarlen - they better!
thewanderer
thewanderer - 8/1/2024, 12:34 PM
@BobGarlen - fwiw I also don’t think RDJ will be the only Doom we ultimately get. Whether that’s immediate or long term.
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 8/1/2024, 12:37 PM
@thewanderer - if he's not Doctor Doom, thee Doctor Doom, then I feel like it's worse. I already hate Doom getting the hand me Downey from Iron Man. But if he's not at least thee Victor Von Doom who has fought the FF there's no point in him being Doom.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/1/2024, 12:45 PM
@BobGarlen - He should be THE Doom the F4 have had dealings with, however that would mean he isn't THE Doom of the Sacred timeline and thus could get a new actor take on THE prime Earth version after Secret Wars...


...we'll see how it all works out, get folk not liking the idea of RDJ as Doom and all of what that could translate as (on the fence at least myself after initialy being opposed when only a rumour) but till we have seen F4, the two Avengers and what comes after hard to call if it will turn out to be a net good idea or not.
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 8/1/2024, 12:49 PM
@Apophis71 - it doesn't make any sense to me to do a Doom from the Sacred Timeline but not an FF. It doesn't make sense if they had an FF from the Sacred timeline but focus on an FF from a different timeline, and it seems stupid if they do an FF from the Sacred timeline stuck in another universe that deals with a Doom from that timeline and. Ot their original one. I feel like there are limitless ways this could go bad and very very few it doesn't.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 8/1/2024, 1:04 PM
@Apophis71 - is what I’m thinking. I don’t think he’s going to be the only doom we see and not necessarily the long-term doom.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/1/2024, 1:06 PM
@BobGarlen - The FF are not from the Sacred timeline currently anyway but will end up on it after Secret Wars so...

...we'll see.

Sure, there are ways where it could turn out bad, but are ways it could work well so on the fence till I know one way or another for now as not like we can change the decision now so will be what it will be and if it turns out to be good films we'll likely be OK with it (even if retaining niggles).
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/1/2024, 1:13 PM
@thewanderer - Yeh, they kind of teased there is a Victor von Doom connected to Zemo in the MCU we are yet to see and I don't think RDJ will be that one so...
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 8/1/2024, 1:21 PM
@Apophis71 - I Don't have enough faith in Marvel to be on the fence. The content they've put put since Endgame has mostly fallen flat with me. I'm not really a fan of much that they've done since Endgame and it's really made me not even want to see their stuff anymore.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 8/1/2024, 1:38 PM
@Apophis71 - yea wasn’t Latveria name dropped in FatWS?
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/1/2024, 2:12 PM
@thewanderer - Fairly certain Latveria was stated to be part of what led to Sokovia falling into war and Zemo thus loosing power and status, yeh. Sure terrorism, Hydra and Stark weapons were part of it all too but I do seem to recall it mentioned or at minimum implied Latveria factored into it all during FatWS.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 8/1/2024, 6:03 PM
@thewanderer - nah he may not be from the FF universe. He's a Tony variant after all.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 8/1/2024, 6:05 PM
@BobGarlen - it doesn't make any sense for RDJ to be cast as Victor Von Doom yet here we are.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 8/1/2024, 6:11 PM
@McMurdo - he’s absolutely not a Tony variant. They’ve already confirmed that.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 8/1/2024, 6:27 PM
@thewanderer - incorrect they confirmed his name is Victor Von Doom. The Russo's never denied him being a Stark variant. You do not cast Iron Man as your next Thanos and pay him 100 mil over 2 films to never take your mask off and without serious intentionality. There will be some story reason why his name is Victor ..parents die in car wreck gets raised in Latveria etc.....if they even use Latveria at all. He's a Stark variant. You'll see
thewanderer
thewanderer - 8/1/2024, 7:04 PM
@McMurdo - there will absolutely be a reason story wise why it’s RDJ.

That doesn’t make him a stark variant though. That’s not how variants work.

Variants are a different version of the same character. This isn’t that.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 8/1/2024, 9:14 PM
@thewanderer - It does. There aren't set rules for variants in the MCU. We just introduced anchor beings.

"Variants are a different version of the same character."

You said it not me. We will come back to this convo when it all comes out you shall see!
thewanderer
thewanderer - 8/1/2024, 9:18 PM
@McMurdo - we shall see.


Fwiw, my theory isn’t far off from yours.


I think in the First Steps timeline Howard Stark had an affair with Cynthia Von Doom and Victor and Tony are half brothers in that universe. Hence why they look similar.

Or maybe in Endgame the Avengers messed something up and Howard had an affair in the Sacred Timeline.


“When you mess with time, it tends to mess back.”
thewanderer
thewanderer - 8/1/2024, 9:24 PM
@McMurdo - is there any video of RDJ doing a European accent?

I know he’s played British and Australians before.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 8/2/2024, 12:03 AM
@thewanderer - no which makes me worry the Russo's drop the accent
byrd42
byrd42 - 8/4/2024, 2:29 PM
@BobGarlen - Yes, outside of Deadpool the MCU has been mediocre at best since Endgame, and the 5 worst MCU movies have also come out since Endgame. I fully expect every MCU movie coming out in 2025 to be bad comedies. If they give the Russo Bros a large amount of creative control and get rid of Marvel's lamest characters then the Avengers movies could be good but it is not looking likely.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 8/1/2024, 12:11 PM
Monica being trapped in Universe 10005 could work. Especially if they write it where the X-Men were dealing with space issues and whenever Deadpool was around it wasn't serious. I still think America Chavez and Deadpool play an important role recruiting heroes.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 8/1/2024, 12:11 PM
Was he a kang?
Nolanite
Nolanite - 8/1/2024, 9:08 PM
@Malatrova15 - I'm a Kang
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 8/1/2024, 12:14 PM
Sheesh. Reading that recap of the multiverse saga makes it clear why it has failed so hard. What a mess. Looking forward to a post multiverse MCU
JonC
JonC - 8/1/2024, 2:26 PM
@Izaizaiza - people were confused enough following the timelines of Back to the Future... Marvel hasn't made time travel and multiple-universes any easier by far to follow than BTTF
TheRogue
TheRogue - 8/1/2024, 12:15 PM
Imo I know people hate the young avengers, but I think it would have made sense to do that, with the iron lad storyline, then do kang movie (Not secret wars) then reboot the mcu.

Too late now.
SpiderCop9997
SpiderCop9997 - 8/1/2024, 12:31 PM
@TheRogue - suppose they could still resolve the Kang stuff if they do a Young Avengers before Doomsday, but I don't think there's time now.

No point in Young Avengers post Secret Wars. The only young Avengers I wanna see after that are the real Avengers played by younger actors.
TheRogue
TheRogue - 8/1/2024, 12:38 PM
@SpiderCop9997 - Imo they [frick]ed up trying to do young avengers. They should have gotten it in phase 4, with Kate, Kamala, and so forth. Now they are too old.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/1/2024, 12:52 PM
@TheRogue - Two or more things could be true at the same time.

They may have ditched Kang and the council of Kangs but COULD still have an evolved version of the Kang we had in a lesser role but as being refered to as the Beyonder...

...and could also have Iron Lad and Rama Tut turn up still as if not called Kang at any point and different actors it could be played in a way it isn't Kang (even though they are) in leaks.

So we'll see, I mean just cos Doom may be elevated to being the main antagonist we see onscreen doesn't mean there won't be something Kang related in the background even if we get VERY little of it in the film (such as one scene of Doom taking down the Beyonder and revealing he was Kang for a brief moment).
TheyDont
TheyDont - 8/1/2024, 1:42 PM
@TheRogue - Young Avengers who are all 30+
JonC
JonC - 8/1/2024, 2:28 PM
@Apophis71 - The big mistake they made with Kang was making every variant look the same... unlike in Loki where most Loki appear to be different people... it would have been easy to write in another Kang other than Majors if they did.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/1/2024, 3:07 PM
@JonC - I agree, should have been more variations if showing the council in enough detail to determine.

I tend to think folk would be OK if they had recast with multiple actors for next time we saw them (if kept) as it was only an end credit.

I also tend to think it is easy to increase to three actors cos can have one SIMILAR to Majors in age, one a lot older and one a lot younger even if all similar to Majors appearance but still saw no reason why they couldn't have expanded the range of looks a lot more than that (even the odd female Variant tbh wouldn't have been an issue for me and it would tickle me if Riri turned out to be one of them, lol).

Anyway, we'll see and end of the day as long as the products are good I'm good even if not keen on the idea of ditching Kang completely.
fanboy03191
fanboy03191 - 8/1/2024, 3:28 PM
@JonC - There were plenty of different Kangs in the stands- even different species. From what I’ve seen some variants are identical, some can look different. Just look at Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Mr. Fabtastic. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I don’t know. Try not to over think it.
Timerider
Timerider - 8/1/2024, 12:19 PM
I’d like to see Kang show up in Avengers Secret Wars post credit scene, like it’s not over yet, maybe have Jonathan Majors’ character change his appearance so he turns into another actor, fixing that issue and knowing it is the new Kang. We get a reboot of the MCU, but Kang becomes the new villain going forward, or maybe Magneto.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 8/1/2024, 12:21 PM
@Timerider - The Multiverse Saga will end and Kang will essentially be what Ultron was for the Infinity Saga.
TheRogue
TheRogue - 8/1/2024, 12:23 PM
@SonOfAGif - Ultron shlould be villain for a rebooted mcu. In the shadows
Timerider
Timerider - 8/1/2024, 12:25 PM
@SonOfAGif - yeah, I figured that.
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