THEORY: Are The Villains Of The MCU Still Alive?

THEORY: Are The Villains Of The MCU Still Alive?

Hulksta here, with a theory as to what's the grand master plan for the villains in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). Read on for more details!

Editorial Opinion
By Hulksta - Nov 25, 2015 05:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Infinity War


"Before creation itself, there were six singularities, then the universe exploded into existence and the remnants of this system were forged into concentrated ingots... Infinity Stones."
―The Collector

A while back I started rewatching the MCU films, and I started to notice something; while many of the villains see an untimely demise, presumed dead by the way that the films present it, most villains are undone by an Infinity Stone.

Now of course, many people have cried afoul saying that Marvel Studios is killing off almost all of their villains. What if they aren't?

For those who have read The Infinity Gauntlet which the upcoming Avengers: Infinity War is seemingly going to tap some inspiration from; Thanos is accompanied by many villains including Mephisto and Nebula. The story naturally touted The Infinity Gauntlet as a massive conflict. Which always bothered me as it was basically Thanos taking on every Marvel hero he could. We all think this might be interesting to see, but in truth I don't think so.

Changing up Thanos' roster of sub-villains makes sense. Mephisto was never really a threat, he was more like Igor to Thanos' Frankenstein. What if Thanos was accompanied by multiple villains that we all thought were gone. Red Skull, Ronan, Malekith, Ultron; all joining Thanos and (possibly) Mephisto.


Let's take a look at how each of these villains was taken down. First off with Red Skull. At the end of Captain America: The First Avenger the head of HYDRA and Steve are fighting as the plane flies towards immenent death and destruction. As Steve defeats Red Skull, he's seemingly killed off, but most fans assumed he was absorbed into some other planet or area of space. What if instead, this is actually our first hint of a villain, in this case, Red Skull, being absorbed into the Tesserect. I think that showing space was Marvel's red herring, and that secretly in the Tesserect lies HYDRA's head.


The next up is Malekith. Now at the end of Thor: The Dark World Malekith has bits and pieces  of himself slowly moved to a different timeline. However, looking carefully, it almost looks as if the Aether is slowly starting to rebuild Malekith's lost limbs. It's not impossible that within the Aether Malekith is able to regrow himself, and when the time comes, with the proper knowledge, Malekith could be freed.


Next up is Ronan. Aside from Red Skull, Ronan is probably the one that most likely backs up this theory. While it looked like Ronan perished, it's also very likely that Ronan was absorbed into the Power Stone. Many theories popped up that Ronan survived, and while I don't think he's the only one, he's one of the biggest sources of evidence that the villains survived.


Finally there's Ultron. This one is from my standpoint, the least likely. Bear with me though. In Age of Ultron Vision describes how he doesn't want to destroy Ultron as he's 'unique' but understands the threat that he causes. While it looks like Vision is simply blasting Ultron away, I think that Vision would make the call to preserve but contain Ultron. Absorbing Ultron into the Mind Stone would remove Ultron from the equation while keeping him from utter annihilation (pun intended).

Of course, there's a precedent for all of this. The Soul Gem has been able to contain people in the past, and while that's only one of the stones, stretching this logic across all gems/stones makes sense to motivate Thanos. Not only is Thanos gaining the power of the Stones, but he's also gaining some assistance. This is where I think the word 'War' comes into play with Infinity War. It won't just be Thanos and the heroes fighting; it will be a war with all the previous villains all factoring in to the conflict. Imagine the excitement and cool factor of seeing Thanos, Ultron, Ronan, Malekith, and Red Skull all taking on the Avengers. Now, that would be the definition of 'Epic'.
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Hulksta
Hulksta - 11/25/2015, 6:47 PM
"Also, for an article from Hulksta Theatre, this looks pretty good."



Thanks @DrDoom maybe this will motivate @KingPatel to put this on main ;)

ScarletWarlock
ScarletWarlock - 11/25/2015, 7:04 PM
like Frozenjoy said I think part 1 will essentially be an avngers/ masters of evil film that just happens to have an emphasis on Cosmic and a huge presence from Thanos.
DarthNihilus
DarthNihilus - 11/26/2015, 5:21 AM
Obviously...no one's dead.. coz Marvel
ThedamnBatman
ThedamnBatman - 11/26/2015, 5:22 AM
chill
Pasto
Pasto - 11/26/2015, 5:57 AM
Hate to break it to you, but the villains who have died on screen are dead. I doubt Marvel put them in deadly situations just to say "wait a second, we're going to bring them back to life because reasons." Ronan is dead, Ultron is dead, Malekith is definitely dead, Pierce is dead, Whiplash is dead, and Purpeleman is dead. None of those guys are coming back because Marvel has already used them the way they wanted to for their films. Hell, we could even throw the Mandarin into that list because I doubt Marvel's going to release a film with him as the villain "again."

But seriously, none of these guys are coming back in any films, they're gone. It's about time we realized this and moved on.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 11/26/2015, 10:39 AM
im thinking cross between infinity, infinity gauntlet and infinity war, rather than bringing back a bunch of old villians just for the sake of it the black order can accompany thanos and be his generals.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 11/26/2015, 10:41 AM
of the villians you mentioned i would like ultron and red skull to return but there are other ways/explanations as to how they can come back. i dont care either way if ronan comes back
kinghulk
kinghulk - 11/26/2015, 10:42 AM
i would give anything to meet the russos or feige just so i could tell them my ideas for infinity wars
Robby
Robby - 11/26/2015, 12:48 PM
@FrozenJoy
I respect ur fancast but I say Nicholas Cage as Red Skull.
Robby
Robby - 11/26/2015, 12:48 PM
Nice article, too.
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 11/26/2015, 3:16 PM
I hope they bring back some of these villains for INFINITY WAR, even if most of the MCU villains are lackluster. Red Skull has the most potential, seeing as he is a major villain to the entire Marvel Universe in the comics. Hopefully they revamp his character so that he's as great of a villain as his comic counterpart.

Ultron would probably be given a new body by Thanos. Ultron's AI was created by Iron Man and Bruce Banner after they discovered a program left behind after the Chitauri invasion. Thanos saying "Fine, I'll do it myself" implies that he left the program behind on purpose and was somewhat behind Ultron's creation.
TucksFrom2015
TucksFrom2015 - 11/26/2015, 3:17 PM
@Pasto - "Purpeleman is dead." Bluddy spoilers, yuh dickhead.
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 11/26/2015, 3:20 PM
Willem Dafoe should be Mephisto, hands down. I'd go ahead and recast Red Skull (Johann Schmidt) as well. I believe that Gideon Malick in AoS is probably connected to Albert Malik/Red Skull II.



kinghulk
kinghulk - 11/26/2015, 4:04 PM
"Ultron would probably be given a new body by Thanos. Ultron's AI was created by Iron Man and Bruce Banner after they discovered a program left behind after the Chitauri invasion. Thanos saying "Fine, I'll do it myself" implies that he left the program behind on purpose and was somewhat behind Ultron's creation"
ultron was created thanks to the scepter which had the mind stone in it not a program left after the invasion of new york
jaysin420
jaysin420 - 11/26/2015, 5:40 PM
Interesting article, I figured Red Skull was def alive, but that's it. You could be right though about these others, that'd be cool.

"Now at the end of Thor: The Dark World Malekith has bits and pieces of himself slowly moved to a different timeline"

I don't remember that, need to go find that now.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 11/26/2015, 8:51 PM
Ummm......no. I think it's possible that Red Skull is still alive, as I think that instead of being killed he was teleported to another planet. He wasn't absorbed into the Tesseract though, that's just silly. As for the rest, all dead.
Frshcoupe
Frshcoupe - 11/27/2015, 9:07 AM
I said this same thing months ago when someone mentioned how Ronana looked like he was absorbed at the end of GotG. I really feel that Marvel would do something like this. I mean, we are getting 2 films for Infinity War so anything is possible. It wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination for this to take place. I would love to see this on screen. Once the Avengers take down the villains for one last time, Thanos awaits the final battle in Infinity War part 2!
Saintsinnister
Saintsinnister - 11/27/2015, 10:15 AM
Great article. The kind of stuff I personally like to see on this site.
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 11/27/2015, 3:20 PM
@kinghulk

Thank you for jogging my memory, as I haven't seen the film since the opening weekend.

With that being said, I 100% stick by my predictions and my speculation. The Infinity Stone in the staff was only on Earth because of Thanos. The line in the after credit scene does seem to imply that much of what has gone down in the MCU has happened in Thanos' attempt to kill the Avengers.

Also, in the future, can you please put "@Darkknight2149" when responding to my comments? That would be appreciated.
Hulksta
Hulksta - 11/29/2015, 7:35 PM
"Hate to break it to you, but the villains who have died on screen are dead."

Who are you sourcing on this? El Maybe? No villain is confirmed dead silly Pasto. You're letting Daddario's massive penis distract you.

I doubt Marvel put them in deadly situations just to say "wait a second, we're going to bring them back to life because reasons."



But seriously, none of these guys are coming back in any films, they're gone. It's about time we realized this and moved on.

The day you accept Daddario has a massive schlong is the day I'll entertain the idea. Face it @Pasto you're just hurting because my article is so hot and Daddario is so masculine.
mook
mook - 11/30/2015, 4:04 AM
I think this would be a perfect way to round off the Thanos storyline, make Infinity War an even better more epic film, and hit back at critics that the MCU has wasted or underused it's villains.

At the very least I would like to see Red Skull return and have an uneasy alliance with Thanos.
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