Five Things I Want to See in The Avengers Movie...

Five Things I Want to See in The Avengers Movie...

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Editorial Opinion
By VictorVon - Jun 24, 2010 05:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers
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I, like many of you, am anxiously awaiting the arrival of Thor, and Captain America: The First Avenger, which are scheduled to debut in the summer of 2011. However, I am even more interested in seeing those two together with Iron Man, the Hulk, and whoever else makes the final cut (more of my thoughts on that shortly) in The Avengers, slated for release in 2012. I have compiled a list of five things I'd like to see in the movie. Wanna' hear it? Here it go:



1. The Helicarrier- Do I really need to explain why? I’m sure I am not the only fan who looks forward to seeing the massive aircraft carrier/mobile base of the agency known as S.H.I.E.L.D. floating across the screen in The Avengers. Even if it debuts in one of Marvel’s 2011 releases, it needs to be in The Avengers for a few reasons.

First, I assume that S.H.I.E.L.D will have played its biggest role in this movie, with Fury “assembling” the Avengers, and the Helicarrier serves as a symbol for just how big the agency is. Up to this point, audiences unfamiliar with the agency have only seen Fury, agent Coulson and the few no-named agents running around in Iron Man 1 and 2. I don’t think the general, non-comic book reading public realizes the scope of S.H.I.E.L.D, or are aware of the magnitude of power and resources the agency wields. The presence of the Helicarrier serves notice that, no matter what the level of technology in which the rest of the world operates is, S.H.I.E.L.D ‘s on “the cutting edge”, and have access to superior inventions.

Secondly, doesn’t this give Howard Stark something more to show for his incredible intellect, besides his possibly aiding in creating Cap’s shield? See? He could design the Helicarrier, engines and all! Heck, maybe this is too corny, but, after helping to construct Captain America’s defensive weapon in Cap’s solo flick, and having it on his mind, he comes up with the name S.H.I.E.L.D, and gives each letter their respective meaning! Then, in 2012, we see the fruits of his WWII era labor!

Perhaps Tony proves his worth finally, to Fury, when he compromises the ship’s integrity and is asked to make upgrades. Lastly, the need to invent this enormous mobile base in the sky can be justified by the threat of the organization known as HYDRA, which neatly ties into Steve Rogers’ and Col. Fury’s enemies of the past, Baron Wolfgang von Strucker and the Red Skull. You with me?




2. The Hulk Speaks- I haven’t heard/read many complaints from other fans about this, maybe I’m too far out of the loop, but the fact that the Hulk rarely speaks annoys me... Big time. I have been a fan of Marvel Comics since I was old enough to read, around 1980, but was privy to thousands of comics my uncles had collected during the 60’s and 70’s. All Marvel…Name it….Suffice it to say, The Hulk was one of my favorite characters. Many of those older comics always portrayed him as having the mentality of a six year old, who spoke in third-person and just wanted to be “left alone”.

I loved the fact that he was always hunted by the army and other super-heroes who thought he was a “bad guy”. But, he wasn’t. “Why puny humans always attack Hulk?!” “Bah…Hulk Smash puny humans.” Or, he’d proclaim, “The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets!” He could talk, and form understandable sentences. He could express himself, verbally, although it was clear he wasn’t going to get an “A” in his English class. As a kid, I could relate to that. It’s one of the things that made him so likeable. One minute he’s destroying his native language, the next minute he’s destroying anyone dumb enough to test him physically!

Plus, he always came up with those funny (although simplistic) nick-names for the other heroes. He’d call Spider-Man “Bugman”, or he’d refer to The Thing as “Rockman”. What I’m saying is, when I watched the 70’s/80’s television show, my biggest beefs were the fact that he never fought anyone worthy of his power, and, he never talked! I thought the Ang Lee “Hulk” film would change all that. Alas, all we got was a dream sequenced, “Puny human”. Then, I thought for sure they would finally rectify the situation with the “Incredible Hulk”, but all I heard was “Betty” and, finally, “Hulk Smash!” Why is that all we get? The Abomination had more lines than the star of the movie! Is it hard? Is it difficult to get the Hulk to communicate more than 2-3 words per movie? I think not. You want to know why the non-comic book readers don’t embrace the Hulk like they do Spider-Man or Wolverine? It’s because he doesn’t talk, plain and simple.

They don’t know what he’s thinking, or feeling. They don’t feel sorry for him. They don’t “relate”… Are you telling me you don’t want to hear the Hulk refer to Cap as “Stupid Flag-Man” in The Avengers? The Hulk needs to speak. Tell Hollywood.
P.S. Speaking of the power S.H.I.E.LD wields (no rhyme intended), and the importance of quantifying that to the audience, can we see some REAL power from the Hulk? The Hulk has trouble picking up a metal ball in the first film, and moans like a girl when he bumps his head in the second (that was kind of funny though). When do we get to see him bring down a building, ala 9/11, with a ground slam? He gets mad sometimes, right?




3.The Earning of Respect- In 1989, do you think NFL defenses knew what was coming when they HEARD Barry Sanders was coming to town? How about further back, in 1985, do you think boxers were afraid when they HEARD they were supposed to fight some kid named Mike Tyson? No, to both questions. It wasn’t until they actually saw, with their own eyes, what they were up against, and what those men were capable of, that people began to fear facing them.

This should hold true for Steve Rogers, where his teammates are concerned. Of course, they’ve HEARD, about how much of a bad a$$ he was in the war. They’ve all heard the stories of him overcoming the odds and winning when that looked impossible. They are aware that he inspired his country, the world, to conquer their evil enemies and how he (supposedly) died in the process. But how will they feel when Cap is “thawed out”?

After the initial shock of his celebrity status wears off, and the ever pompous Tony Stark, or the God known as Thor, or ol’ Jade Jaws learns that the “puny Flag-Man” is being put in charge, how will they react? I presume (hope) that they are not too keen on the idea, each believing that they themselves should be the leader. In The Avengers movie, we need to see Captain America whipping Tony Stark’s a$$ in the gym/training area of (oooooooooh- let’s not get ahead of ourselves), we need to see him catch Thor slipping (of course he would not be able to seriously hurt him with a kick or blow) in simulated combat, but catch him in a way that surprises a God that has been fighting hand to hand for centuries. Or, perhaps he is shown to be “worthy”, and picks up Mjolnir, dropping Thor’s jaw.




We need to see him fair even better than Emil Blonsky did versus the Hulk, pre-Abomination. We need to be made to believe that the rest of the team has more than enough reason to give him the respect his reputation implies. We need to see Cap’s battle strategy succeed where others’ haven’t. We need to see his heart. We need to know, like the rest of the team, that he is “The Man”.




4. Avengers’ Mansion- Come on!!! We already know Tony is a billionaire. So, it’s not like it’s implausible. I was a little disappointed that the character of Jarvis was regulated to an A.I. computer voice, but grew to like it. However, could it be possible that the voice/program is based on an actual person that we have yet to meet in the Iron Man films?

What if Howard Stark had a butler, (has this already been explained?), and he and his son lived with Howard and Tony. His son, Edwin Jarvis, devoted to the family, ala that DC playboy superhero’s butler, remained as a friend/employee of Tony and took the responsibility of beating super-villainous intruders with the vacuum cleaner? Okay, not that deep, but it might be cool to show him as a real person/character. The mansion would justify his non-inclusion up to this point.

I am also of the belief that S.H.I.E.L.D needs to keep its aura of secrecy. This is to say that, just because the Avengers have been assembled, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they are given all-access passes to the Helicarrier. Maybe, at some point in the movie they are allowed/forced onto the aircraft due to special circumstances, but they need their own, personal, separate base of operations. This is where Steve can work with Tony on his hand-to-hand skills in a way that Happy Hogan is unable to within the confines of the boxing ring at Stark’s home.

Plus, the mansion allows for the core group (The Big Three) to develop separate relationships from, say, The Black Widow, or Ant-Man and the Wasp, who, presumably, will be S.H.I.E.L.D agents, and thus allowed to “chill out” on the Helicarrier.




5.Inclusion- If it’s not already definite, it should be. We must have Ant-Man and the Wasp included in The Avengers. They are founding members and have always provided an interesting dynamic (with their marriage issues as well as their “size-shifting” abilities that the CGI capabilities of today are begging to address). I’m not concerned at this point with casting, although I’ll go on record as being “fine” with Fillion and Longoria (is she too old though?). The point is, the characters must be included. Also, while I wouldn’t use the word “must” (for the third time in the same paragraph, would I?), I’d “love” to see Hawkeye, even if he is just a petty thief that can be “turned from the dark side” in future installments, as opposed to being a S.H.I.E.L.D (man, I’m getting tired of having to type that ) agent from the onset.



Also, I think the Black Panther is necessary. Even if he wasn’t, I’d want to see him. He’s always been one of my favorites. If he…Scratch that, his father, or grandfather, is not introduced or mentioned in Captain America: The First Avenger, I think Marvel will be missing a golden opportunity. We all know about the importance of the Vibranium mineral located only in Wakanda, which plays an integral role in the composition of Cap’s shield, and this should already be made apparent in “The First Avenger”. So, by the time Rogers is brought “back to life”, T’Challa should be the King of the fictional African country. He should at least be mentioned, if not visibly included in the film, as I look forward to sharing his cinematic adventures.




Vision is a character for which I haven’t heard much clamoring; however, I think that he could be a great “tie-in” from Cap’s movie. Isn’t Vision a rebuilt, rebooted version of the original, android Human-Torch, reworked and programmed by Henry Pym? Let him build him. Let him be so “proud” of himself that, by the time The Avengers is ending, we see the “evil red lights” in the eye sockets of his newest invention gone wrong (Ultron if you’re not with me) as foreshadowing of the next’s film’s villain, causing Hank to be looked down upon, feel ashamed, embarrassed and recoil into madness. Maybe the Vision is the difference maker in Avengers 2, redeeming Pym.




I want Namor. I want the prince of Atlantis. I keep having this scene (I almost said vision) in my head for Cap’s movie, where, even if only involved in this scene, we see a head emerge from the ocean, off in the distance, away from the fighting. A close-up reveals a mysterious figure, emerging from the depths but showing only the nose to the top of the head, watching the violence of the war taking place on land, yet still affecting the waters, his home. They don’t know who this is, but WE do…Perhaps he throws something from the ocean that helps tip the scales in the favor of the Invaders, or, perhaps he simply re-submerges (you know, like a submarine?) with a scowl or look of disapproval on his face. What?! That would be unbelievable!

In The Avengers, Namor can reappear as a part of Loki’s plan, with the Hulk, under control of The Skrulls, to wreak havoc upon the Earth. Perhaps when Namor recognizes Captain America, he decides to switch teams, and when the Hulk follows suit, it’s all over for Loki and the Skrulls. By the way, if the Skrulls are indeed involved in the movie, I hope Marvel is able to incorporate their shape-shifting powers into the most unexpected, unbelievable and undeniably greatest twist ending in the history of cinema…Otherwise, why bother?

There you have it. Peace.
VictorVon/ Diplomatic Immunity

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marvel72
marvel72 - 6/24/2010, 5:47 AM
@ victorvon i agree with some of you're comments.
this would be mine.
1.the original team from the 60s comic,not the ultimates.
2.villains should be loki,the enchantress & the hulk.
3.avengers mansion.
4.jarvis
5.the famous line.....avengers assemble
ROMACK
ROMACK - 6/24/2010, 5:59 AM
Definitely have to have AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!
VictorVon
VictorVon - 6/24/2010, 6:02 AM
Thanks deadpool. I'm also in favor of the 60's line-up, as my article suggests. I just wouldn't mind a few others. If you want the 60's version accurately, you'd be in favor of Namor over the Enchantress, no?
The Mansion, yes,yes...
Jarvis...check.
The famous line? Of course! I didn't mention it because I've seen it on other lists, and, to be honest, I can't imagine they wouldn't include that. We got "hey bub" from Wolverine, the iconic "Courtesy-Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man" note, "It's Clobberin' Time" from The Thing, and "Hulk Smash" from guess who...So yeah, it seems like we agree on more than just "some" of my comments.
KeithM
KeithM - 6/24/2010, 7:24 AM
@VV: a constructive tip for future reference - your paragraphs could do with some breaking up. Walls of text are generally off-putting for the reader, so breaking them up is easier on the eye and makes it easier to read.

1. Yes you do need to explain why - even if it's a no-brainer - which is cool, because you do. :)

Agreed - Avengers is the perfect place to debut the carrier.

2. I think you have to be real careful how far you go with the Hulk speaking.

I agree there should be some, but unless he's the Banner-in-control Hulk, most of the time his mind is so full of rage he simply can't articulate. In calmer or dramatic moments, the fact that he CAN speak adds a powerful dimension to him - he isn't a completely mindless monster - there IS a man/mind in there somewhere.

Make him talk too much however, and then you risk losing that element of pathos to the character.

3. Absolutely. Fury will already know from his exploits in WWII what he's capable of, and the others may respect his reputation at the very least (and perhaps even be a little in awe of him - he is a legend reincarnated after all), but he'll certainly need to earn the team's respect on the field of battle.

4. They destroyed the mansion in the comics because its location is so well known and vulnerable to attack.

It's also extremely irresponsible to put a super-hero HQ, which has a very high likelihood of being a target, in such a built up, highly populated area.

Sentimental reasons aside, a New York located mansion right in the heart of the city doesn't really make sense considering the stakes and risks.

5. Founding members - agreed.

I think they have this more than covered though and have already laid the groundwork to be able to have whoever they want in the team with minimum fuss and exposition.

Having SHIELD be the initiators of the Avengers Initiative means that apart from the core 3 (Cap, IM & Thor), they can call on a vast support team (including the Widow, Hawkeye, Hank & Jan) and can pull in other heroes as and when needed.

We can assume Fury is keeping tabs on heroes all over the world, so there's no need for these heroes to bump into or join the Avengers randomly, like they did in the comics - Fury can actively recruit them as and when required (if he hasn't already and has them on standby).

If they have a mission in Africa for example, Fury can just say "I know just the man for the job..." and call up T'Challa (if he hasn't already told Fury to go F himself of course ;)).

Formatting nit-pick aside, a decent article.
NJdevil12
NJdevil12 - 6/24/2010, 8:18 AM
great article victorvon. i completely agree with your idea for the helicarrier. one thing is maybe they can show it in thor? like when thor gets banished does he fall to earth?, or does he jus get zapped and appear on earth, because if he fell maybe they could show him falling and, for like a second, off in the distance you can somewhat see the helicarrier. just an idea.

also your poster is pretty damn good. if i could make a small suggestion though, you have black widow right next to cap and she looks tiny. i was thinking maybe just move her to on top of the firetruck (or ambulance?) right by fury's head so it looks like she's kinda behind the rest of the team. also where's hawkeye? or is he not in the poster? but other than that great article and excellent poster man.

EDIT: nevermind i just found hawkeye :D
VictorVon
VictorVon - 6/24/2010, 9:11 AM
@Keith- Thanks for the tip, This was my first entry to this site, and I wasn't sure how it would pan out. I did the whole thing on Microsoft Word then just cut and pasted it.

I had bold print for the numbers and titles, and important names, & places throughout but it didn't transfer. Any tips on how to edit an article directly from this site, besides simply spacing it out every few sentences?

Also, I understand what you mean about the Hulk not talking too much, but hey, I wasn't suggesting he break off into long monologues in the middle of a fight, like Dirty Harry. Instead of making a funny joke or insult like Spider-Man, he can vent his anger verbally....more often.

And yeah, why couldn't he have had a short conversation with Betty in the cave instead of just growling at the thunder and howling at the moon?

As for the location of the Mansion, I never said it needed to be in a well known spot in New York, like the comics. But even it was, Everyone knows where Tony Stark lives, and so far, the only intruders he's had to worry about are Fury and Rhodie! I know where the White House is... and the Pentagon... One could easily access the locations of U.S. Nuclear Power Plants.

They're super-heroes. If some villains discover the Mansion's location, and think they're bad enough, let 'em come get some! That will save The Avengers the trouble of having to look for them.:) Yeah, they need a Base of Operations.

@NJdevil12- Thanks man...'preciate it. Feel free to share the Poster with anyone.
If you click on my name and scroll down to the picture gallery on the right, then click the picture itself, (not the words "picture galleries") you can see a larger view of it.

I felt like I was running out of room so I put Widow where I did. Plus, she likes the view of Cap from behind, I think! She is small to indicate her distance from the rest of the team. They are facing off with the Hulk, after all...:)
VictorVon
VictorVon - 6/24/2010, 4:13 PM
@Hamm3rtym3- Would you be so kind as to direct me to your article "10 things I want to see in TFA:Captain America"? Maybe send me a link. I searched for it by title and your call name, but could not find it. Perhaps you could send me a link, so I can see just how similar mine is to yours.

I saw this, http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/joshw24/news/?a=19362

But I don't think that's the one.

If there is a similarity between my post and yours, again, I have not read your article yet, concerning Vision/Pym/Ultron, than perhaps it's because I based it off of their actual origins, as I assume, you also did.

I admit the flaw of incorrectly thinking that Pym created the Vision, and thanks for pointing that out, but if that is the "minor" difference to which you refer than that is to say that if I had more accurately depicted Vision's origin, my post would be the same as yours?

I never said it was "my idea", as I assumed informed readers would realize the connection between the three characters. I was merely suggesting that the films include that part of the comic cannon.

"I suggested Ultron finds the human torch body and upgrades it, and Cap convinces Hank to reprogram him, because Cap recognizes his Invader buddy Jim Hammond's body "

This seems more "similar" to the actual storyline than my post, as I (although by mistake) had Pym creating Vision.

Either way, the only intentional similarities on my part were to the comic book origins, as I remembered them, of the characters.

I surely did not mean to use "your idea", and am sorry if I offended you.

Do send me the link to your article, please.

Thanks,
VictorVon

CommanderCool
CommanderCool - 6/26/2010, 2:15 PM
I like how Hawkeye in the picture is just Smallville's Green Arrow colored purple haha.
VictorVon
VictorVon - 6/28/2010, 11:17 PM
And Ant-Man is just some dude dressed up at Comic Con, and the Wasp is just a drawing, and Nick Fury is just a picture of Wesley Snipes as Blade, pointing a gun, with the S.H.I.E.L.D. insignia cleverly placed on it, with a picture of Samuel L. Jackson's head, rotated to the left, with an eye-patch drawn on by way of the computer. "Just"...? Let's see your version, Picasso.... haha
CarlLucasLukeCage
CarlLucasLukeCage - 6/29/2010, 7:44 PM
While I love the helicarrier - they probably won't use it until the (Ultimate) Nick Fury standalone movie. There's so many things going on with the helicarrier that it's almost its own character and they won't waste it while they're trying to develop as many as 4 new ones in the avengers movie. Trust me - if they do use it, it'll be so briefly that you'll feel cheated. You probably will get the Avengers mansion though...
CommanderCool
CommanderCool - 7/4/2010, 7:50 PM
Haha you know I didn't even notice that wasn't actually Samuel.My bad man,wasn't trying to criticize,just pointing it out
VictorVon
VictorVon - 7/5/2010, 3:00 AM
It's all good, Commander...we're cool
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