Future Problems for "The Avengers" franchise (Editorial)

Future Problems for "The Avengers" franchise (Editorial)

Editorial Opinion
By Unreal2k9 - May 28, 2012 06:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers

"The Avengers" is already out and became a huge success. Marvel Studios is raking in the cash and the Disney execs couldn't be happier! So whats the problem?

The problem, is what Marvel Studios should now do with this huge franchise. While "The Avengers" was great, there were some problems that it barely avoided. One of the major problems was the balancing of characters. There were only 6 heroes in the movie, and each of them barely got enough character development in order to avoid complaints. And even then, Hawkeye didn't get much development at all because of his "predicament". Had Hawkeye never been compromised, screen time among the heroes would've been even more stretched out. So how could a sequel to The Avengers, with more heroes, be just as critically successful as the first? It's going to be very difficult.

Come the release of "The Avengers 2", the most likely heroes to show up will be Ant-Man and Wasp. If a solo Ant-Man movie happens, Wasp will surely be involved. That's 2 heroes already! An 8 person Avengers roster will be hard to balance. But lets not forget the possible inclusion of other heroes like Doctor Strange, Ms.Marvel, Nova, and all of the other cosmic heroes Marvel wants to introduce. Obviously some of these heroes will be save for an "Avengers 3", but that still brings the same problem of too many characters in a movie.

In my opinion, the best idea for Marvel Studios would be to take out Hawkeye and Black Widow from the roster and add another 2 or 3 heroes to the mix to spice things; Ant-Man, Wasp, Nova, whoever Marvel wants. They should then take Black Widow and Hawkeye and either spin them off into their own franchises, or make a "Secret Avengers" movie with them and other heroes that Marvel hasn't used yet like Heroes for Hire or Black Panther.

All in all, Marvel and Disney need to be very careful as to how they go from here. Phase 1 was a success, but Phase 2 is going to be much more difficult to pull off. It seems as if they want to go pretty cosmic with their future movies which may or may not work with the general audience. The last thing anyone wants to see is "The Avengers 2" to flop after the amazing success of the first one. Between me and you, my fingers are still crossed that Disney pays Sony a visit and finds some agreement about a particular web-head.

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Shaman
Shaman - 5/28/2012, 6:35 AM
"One of the major problems was the balancing of characters. There were only 6 heroes in the movie, and each of them barely got enough character development in order to avoid complaints."

It's what the movie and especially Whedon are actually being praised for. But hey, to each's own i guess. Some people loved Green Lantern. Whachagonnado, eh?
95
95 - 5/28/2012, 6:42 AM
I don't believe the roster will get larger than 12. Roster changes mattering on the threat. There's no problem for Marvel.
Unreal2k9
Unreal2k9 - 5/28/2012, 6:45 AM
@Shaman You're right, Joss is great with ensemble casts. But the more characters you add, the more difficult it gets. My point was that he barely pulled it off with the amount of characters in the first movie.

@3D A roster of 12 is already waaaaay too big for a movie attempting to balance character screen time lmao. A 10 man roster is already pushing it big time. Not to mention the villain(s) and other non-hero side characters
Comix
Comix - 5/28/2012, 6:49 AM
@Unreal

lol dude "the characters barely got any development" lol thats probably why it has a 93 on rotten tomatoes cause the development was so bad.
Unreal2k9
Unreal2k9 - 5/28/2012, 6:58 AM
@SuperBat77 You make a good point, the solo films do serve as further character development for each character. But the critics and general movie-going audience don't take those other movies into consideration. And I'm totally down for a West Coast Avengers franchise or even The Secret Avengers!
marknjoanna
marknjoanna - 5/28/2012, 7:17 AM
only problems i see is what to do with all the money.and not getting complacent with themselves due to hardly any compition from other cbm makers.
marvelstudios
marvelstudios - 5/28/2012, 7:55 AM
"the characters barely got any development"
thats why they had solo movies and introduced hawkeye and black widow in them.

but i agree with you in that taking out widow and hawkeye would be the best idea and put in 2 other characters. i think hawkeye and widow should have roles in the cap2
BarnaclePete
BarnaclePete - 5/28/2012, 8:00 AM
Just because they are making a Doctor Strange movie doesn't mean he will be in an Avengers movie. They could always interchange characters depending on the movie and it's not like these same actors are going to play these characters for ever so it would be easy to just leave some out. It's not a problem.
BooYah
BooYah - 5/28/2012, 8:38 AM
I agree they shouldn't have too many characters
1) Iron Man
2) Captain America
3) Thor
4) Hulk
5) Black Widow
6) Hawkeye
7) Ant-Man
8) Wasp
9) Black Panther
That's all the members I want.
95
95 - 5/28/2012, 9:54 AM
12 is not a lot. Perhaps to you, but Marvel has writers who can balance characters with ease. That's what makes them the "professionals". I'm not saying that I want 12, I want a smaller team in fact, but it's not beyond their reach to do more. Who says everyone has to be at the forefront? Other characters can jump in during the third act and just be action oriented characters. Marvel can do it. They did 6 when no one else could. And like it was said above-- character development is what solo films are for.

Anyway, Marvel has other crossover teams. I think Guardians of the Galaxy will be the cosmic-based Avengers.
95
95 - 5/28/2012, 9:55 AM
Cosmic-based Avenger-like team-up.*
Rhys
Rhys - 5/28/2012, 10:10 AM
I don't get why people think Marvel will just keep adding characters. Marvel has shown their smarter than that. Keep the main three (Cap, Iron Man, Thor), throughout the whole series, perhaps Hulk too. Rotate the finals two spots each film, and then there's never more than six heroes each time.

If I got to choose, I'd replace Hulk, Hawkeye and Black Widow with Hank Pym, Wasp and Black Panther in the sequel. Then replace them with Hulk, Vision and Ms Marvel in the third.
95
95 - 5/28/2012, 10:43 AM
@Rhys

Yes, The Avengers must retain those main three as it's core. But I don't see how Marvel couldn't make a massive team, work. Feige wants Civil War by Avengers 3 so it's pretty much a given that there will be ALOT of characters on screen. Even if it's just them in their costumes, no dialogue, just action.
Unreal2k9
Unreal2k9 - 5/28/2012, 12:42 PM
@3D Actually, 12 is a shitload lmao. Way too much. While we may not care if certain characters get close to zero screen time and are only there for action, critics do. And their opinions definitely matter. You also have to take into consideration the villain(s) and non hero side characters! But hey, maybe Marvel can pull it off. I never said they couldn't, its just going to get much more difficult and risky. Just because The Avengers worked doesn't mean Marvel cant [frick] up from here on out. I'm hoping for the best too, trust me.

And I agree totally with keeping the core 3/4 members and interchanging the other 2/3 spots with new heroes. That seems like a totally plausible solution to this problem.
ComicBrooks
ComicBrooks - 5/28/2012, 1:15 PM
The avengers is not meant to be about complete character development. Thats what their solo films are for. The Avengers was merely a stopping point where they meet, do their job and go home. Just enough development and screen time to give you a taste but not a full meal. That way you want to see their solo films.
95
95 - 5/28/2012, 1:44 PM
No, I understand what you mean. And-- I just threw 12 out there for an example. I didn't think it through, just needed a big number to use. But hey, I don't see 12 being too much because The Avengers needs it to take on Thanos (one day) and Galactus (Fox-willing).
95
95 - 5/28/2012, 1:49 PM
I stand by @Marvelfreek94 on this topic. The Avengers, of all Marvel franchises, has the main purpose of being full-on action. Although, The Avengers 2 will likely have Ant-Man and Wasp (switch out Hawkeye and Black Widow) to take on Ultron. Since the sequel is going to be "smaller, more personal".
Devilhunter318
Devilhunter318 - 5/28/2012, 4:37 PM
they could always kill some of em.... I know no one wants that to happen, but especially with a character like Thanos that could happen
Minotauro
Minotauro - 5/28/2012, 5:05 PM
Oversaturating a movie with to many characters doesn't cut it. A film will mostly likely fail because of this.
himynameisnik
himynameisnik - 5/28/2012, 5:15 PM
Remember this film also balanced Fury, Hill, Coulson and World Security Council. Take them out and possibly Hawkeye and Widow and there's plenty of room to make a more hero-centric ensemble film
95
95 - 5/28/2012, 6:25 PM
@himynamdisnik

Yeah. Great point. I imagine The Avengers being more independent (with little to no SHIELD) involvement in the sequels. So yeah, Hawkeye and Widow are probably out.
Ghostt
Ghostt - 5/28/2012, 9:08 PM
fans need to accept that there will be some rotation of team members in future installments, much like the comic book. A movie simply cannot support them all. Black Widow and Hawkeye are the obvious ones to be rotated out, but it may be one of the biggies like Thor that does not return. Crazy.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/28/2012, 9:29 PM
I think we're trying too hard here.
Unsurprisingly, I'm going to reference Firefly, and you may or may not have liked that series, but it is Joss Whedon's baby, and chock-full of characters.

You've got Mal, the Cap'n; Zoe, his bad-ass right-hand woman; Wash, the self-deprecating pilot; Jayne, the hilariously stupid muscle; Kaylee, the ship's ever cheerful mechanic; Inara, the well-traveled "companion"; Book, the snarky preacher on his pilgrimage; Simon, the spoiled and reluctant doctor; and River, the crazy medical experiment gone wrong.

That's 9 character regulars on a television show, all introduced in the first episode. Now obviously, as it was a tv show, not all of the character development happened all at once, but even from the beginning, you did get a great glimpse of who these people are.

The Avengers was a mega-success any way you spin it, and one of the strongest points was the character interaction - the way the actors played off each other and stayed faithful to their comic book counterparts. You can argue that Hawkeye didn't get his time - I completely disagree. Although he was in Loki's service, you are still very much seeing Hawkeye. He had more screen time than the Hulk, and served the plot far more than Captain America.

Regardless, the biggest hurdle has already been passed. Everyone knows these characters now. The next movie will not be about balancing every character out to make sure they are properly introduced - they are already out in force. I've heard a lot of people saying they don't really care about adding more Avengers to the line-up, because they want to see this group together again. The only characters I can see justifiably absent in a sequel would be the Hulk and Thor, but with the Hulk so popular among crowds, he's pretty much guaranteed a reprisal.

I think more characters can be brought into the next Avengers movie. Looking forward to Ms Marvel as well as Ant-man and Wasp.
Jonge
Jonge - 5/28/2012, 9:44 PM
@unreal
Good read, I agree that it will be difficult to pull it off, but Marvel will pull it off, no doubt. The more characters, the more intriguing story that they will put together. I also like the last little comment about spidey, 100% agree my man
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/29/2012, 9:30 AM
why do people assume that if they make a Dr. Strange film he'll get an automatic pass to be on the Avengers team? I can almost guarantee that he will not be on the team if they a movie for him. He might make an appearance as a consultant, or to even help out, but he will not be a returning Avenger. He doesn't fit.

Neither does Nova.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 5/29/2012, 9:31 AM
i just think its funny that so many people just assume that from now on, every Marvel character that gets a movie is an automatic Avenger. Shit won't work like that, I can promise you.
Gmoney84
Gmoney84 - 5/29/2012, 9:37 AM
This article was pointless.
95
95 - 5/29/2012, 2:31 PM
@CorndogBurglar

Hopefully you don't think I'm one of those just because I said the team could be HUGE and it'll still work. I agree with you, I always wondered why everyone wanted Black Panther and Dr. Strange in The Avengers immediately.
Zorun
Zorun - 5/29/2012, 3:19 PM
Fury, Widow, and (at least in the Marvel Cinematic Universe) Hawkeye are SHIELD agents, not Avengers. SHIELD was needed to get the group together for this story, but going forward Captain America, Thor and Iron Man all have each other’s phone numbers. They can add new members as needed. I loved the Hulk, but he is not really suited for the Avengers (maybe he can come and go as the story develops, but not as a permanent member). Add in Giant-Man and Wasp because you kinda have to now, the one I really want to see is Ms Marvel.
As for the SHIELD group, why not make a SHIELD movie? I guess the Secret Avengers is a cool idea too, if you feel that Hawkeye needs more attention.
They can drop the whole Stark and his “clean energy” crap too. Leave politics out of my comic book movies please. Once you go down that road, whichever lane you chose, you are going to lose about 30% of your audience.
ManWhoLaughs
ManWhoLaughs - 5/29/2012, 3:20 PM
Too many Avengers! I wish Vision would show up and Maybe Ant Man. I really don't think they will cut Black Widow being she's the eye candy unless they replace her with another female. They could just kill her and Hawkeye, I mean they aren't exactly "super", and really don't bring anything to the films except excessive posing and looking up towards the camera!

I can't stand the notion that you can fight 10 people and in between strikes stop and ever so smugly look off into the foreground and glow bask..
swillboy
swillboy - 5/29/2012, 5:36 PM
Seriously?: "There were only 6 heroes in the movie, and each of them barely got enough character development in order to avoid complaints."

Dude, character development was the purpose of the IM, IM2, Hulk, Thor, & CA movies...so they wouldn't need to focus so much attention on character origin, intros & development in the Avengers movie, which would've bogged it down in too much exposition.

Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/29/2012, 8:48 PM
@Zorun
"They can drop the whole Stark and his “clean energy” crap too. Leave politics out of my comic book movies please. Once you go down that road, whichever lane you chose, you are going to lose about 30% of your audience."

Really? How is any of this political? It's a great big display of Tony's prowess, nothing more. Also, uh, evidence to the contrary on losing 30% of the audience.
Zorun
Zorun - 5/29/2012, 10:32 PM
For the most part they have done a good job of not being political. Which is also a good goal for this blog, and that is why I am not going to expound upon the green energy topic. I don’t want to drag everyone down into a political discussion.
The 30% thing is basically if they go in one direction, they are going to tick off the other side. You have left, right and center. The people in the center won't care, but those of us on either side will be taken back if a loved character from our youth starts telling us that our ideals are silly or stupid. That is all I am saying, keep it a-political and everyone can watch the movies without feeling like they are being preached at and neither side boycotts the movies. I think that is pretty straightforward.
MaximusRodd
MaximusRodd - 5/30/2012, 2:42 AM
"There were only 6 heroes in the movie, and each of them barely got enough character development in order to avoid complaints."

Huh, I don't know WHAT movie you watched or WHAT reviews you read but characterization was never something that barely avoided complaints. The characterization laid out by Joss Whedon is precisely why the film was so widely praised, lauded, and critically acclaimed!

And you reference Hawkeye's role being written so it would work and flow. Umm, yeah, that's the point. That's why Joss wrote it that way... so it worked.

Also, you assume to make another film there needs to be an addition to the roll call. i see it differently. More for more's sake hasn't bode well with other franchises (Spiderman 3, all the Transformers). Plus,the second film will not have to spend as much time on the elongated character to character introduction scenes and battles (that were so very, very fun and watchable and practically made the movie the event it was). Also, some extraneous characters like Selvig most likely won't be returning. All this frees up so much time.

Lastly, a sequel is 2-3 years away. Why shit on a future sequel when the original is still in theaters? It seems a little hasty and presumptuous to me.
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