Iron Man 3 Spoilers and Crazy Theory for Avengers 2

Iron Man 3 Spoilers and Crazy Theory for Avengers 2

Since The Avengers came out speculation has been rampant about what we should expect for Avengers 2. Now that Iron Man 3 has come out, here are some details that might hint towards what we might be looking at.

Editorial Opinion
By sniktsnakt - May 05, 2013 12:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers

Before I begin, I want to note that I'm not even sure how I feel about the conclusion I've come to with the theory I'm about to describe. Another disclaimer is that I do read the comics, but Iron Man comics specifically have not been my forte, so please feel free to point out problems with my claims.

Since The Avengers came out speculation has been rampant about what we should expect for Avengers 2. Like many, I went to IM3 looking forward to some hint about what we could be looking at--if not from the movie itself, then from the after-credit scene. A thought hit me in the middle of the end fight, though, and I want to hear what you lot think.

To state it straight out, my theory is that MCU may possibly be steering JARVIS towards filling the role of ULTRON.

First, for the "evidence":

1. EMH's arc on Ultron: If I remember correctly, Ultron was a factor that really pulled Pym back in (temporarily) while he was struggling with the debate of whether to quite being Ant-Man. This could parallel the end of IM3 when Tony seems to be quitting the superhero way of life.

2. In the comics, Ultron has been shown rebuilding itself through Stark's Armor more than once, especially recently. It's also interesting to note that during the first arc Ultron appeared in (in the comics) he hypnotized Jarvis (the human butler/Alfred equivalent to Tony) to turning against Iron Man and the Avengers.

3. In EMH's arc with Ultron, Ultron was a peacekeeping force until the Avengers were forced to program him for violence when they had their backs against the wall, and it's this that ultimately turns Ultron evil. This is the first movie that Tony commanded JARVIS to carry out violence independent from human control and direct command. Could this lead to a parallel story in the Avengers 2?

4. The fight scene at the end: one suit may have damaged/misfunctioned/etc, and easily could have gotten away. Tony blowing all the suits up at the end makes for a convenient way so that after the after credit scene they don't start cleaning up and wonder why a single suit hasn't been accounted for.

5. I had just leaned over to poke my friend and share my crazy idea with her when a IM suit shot across the screen as its faceplate was getting ripped off, and I swear that in that half a second it looked glaringly similar to Ultron. Granted, this particular suit (Red Snapper, or something) crashed right after this shot in spectacular fashion, so it's dubious that that specific suit would become Ultron, if any. Maybe I'm just seeing things, maybe this is just crazy coincidence. What do you think?





6. This isn't evidence, but I just want to throw in the point that turning JARVIS evil would be interesting in that most movie-goers (myself included) looooooove the movie "character" of JARVIS. There would be more connection and sense of betrayal than if we just have some random robot or AI go evil.

Some of my issues with my own theory:

1. What's the point of Ant-Man if he's not around to create Ultron? Granted, I'm not a huge Pym fan, but in my opinion his creation of Ultron is pretty much the only reason to bring him into the MCU.

2. More pulling away from the comics generally just stinks in my opinion, but look what they've already done. Who knows what they might try at this point?

The more I write about this, the less certain I am about my own wonderings, but I thought I'd see what you lot thought.

What do you think? Sound off below.
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inkslinger616
inkslinger616 - 5/6/2013, 6:59 PM
Possible? Maybe. Likely? No. But its a decent theory that could hold water if pushed forth by the likes of Feige and W.hedon
ager
ager - 5/6/2013, 7:19 PM
Holy crapes! That is deeply intelligent. I've long thought JARVIS was going to be the voice of Vision while (I was hoping) the Destroyer would be the shell of Ultron while a robotic voice of Pym would be the voice of the evil bot but ur reasoning makes absolute sense. It all comes together and maybe Pym tinkers a bit out of jealousy or something and pushes JARVIS over the edge
sniktsnakt
sniktsnakt - 5/6/2013, 8:18 PM
@ager: I like that idea too. Everything is a lot of speculation right now, but that's half the fun of being a geek of these sort of things. And you're right--didn't Stark help with the creation of Ultron too? Or at least he tinkered with it, didn't he? Either way, it would be a nice way to pull the two of them together with a common problem.

I think my favorite part of my theory is that it creates a really easy way for Tony to be pulled back into the fight, and a fairly good fit for Ultron in the already-existing MCU.
ager
ager - 5/7/2013, 3:20 PM
See I was thinking that after I read ur post. JARVIS is Starks responsibility and there can't be a break for him when he's gotta take Ultron down. At this point I feel like there is no use for Pym like said. Even Pepper replaces the maternal lust of Ultron/JARVIS. Remember when the shell attacked Pepper when Stark was sleeping? Maybe that wasn't Stark calling for him. What if JARVIS sensed Stark was in trouble and attacked who/what he perceived as the threat in Pepper. Remember JARVIS malfunctioning.y only guess is that Pym torts with him culminating I'm Ultron. But really this could all be done without Ant-man. I still wanna see everything connect which is where Destroyer came into play but ur definitely/hopefully on to something
ager
ager - 5/7/2013, 5:30 PM
I would've guessed Ultron is the A2 villain Thanos in A3 and a much smaller scaled version of Civil War in A4
mook
mook - 5/9/2013, 12:17 AM
This is an interesting idea. They could also work it in to The Avengers Tower concept (before the end credits of 'The Avengers' we see Tony Stark and Pepper Potts on the computer system in the damaged Stark Tower, designing plans for an “Avengers Tower”, complete with room designations for all the superheroes involved, a training area, and an airship) if JARVIS is in control of that complex, it's defences, plus any new remote Iron Man suits.

I'd also thought that they could work the foundations for Ultron into the Ant-Man film; if it retains the originally planned part 1960's/part modern day setting then Pym can be seen building Ultron in the 1960's for SHIELD. It can then be developed in the decades between 'Ant-Man' and 'Avengers 2' before JARVIS gets involved.
BoredSorcerer
BoredSorcerer - 5/9/2013, 7:26 AM
I always thought Tony made Ultron and Pym helped
THIS
THIS - 5/9/2013, 4:42 PM
I don't think JARVIS would become Ultron or anything, but I can see Ultron overpowering JARVIS. interesting...
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