Amateur Analysis of Batman in TDK

Amateur Analysis of Batman in TDK

Assignment in which I applied a theory of personality to Batman in TDK and other ramblings...

Editorial Opinion
By WildCard - Feb 13, 2012 11:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman

Hello, everybody! Firstly, I’d like to say that this article is in no way me stating an opinion of the film/Nolan’s Batman (before anyone gets any crazy ideas.) It’s simply me having a bit of fun with my major and my favorite comic-book hero.

Anyways, I’m currently majoring in Psychology and recently had an assignment which involved applying a theory of personality to a primary movie character/book character. At first, I wasn’t sure who to do it on. I was thinking along the lines of some book characters I know but then thought this would be the best opportunity to exploit my love for Batman. Granted, I’m not the most well-informed person when in comes to comic books. (I’m trying my best to change that, though.) So, I decided to apply a theory of personality to Batman in a film; specifically The Dark Knight. (I know, typical, right? This was an easy A, after all.)

I’m not sure if this has been done before in this website. I know I have read some articles elsewhere in which they have compared Batman to the ego or superego, whereas the Joker would be the id and Harvey Dent would be the ego/superego, depending on the writer. My analysis somewhat differentiates from this pattern, but I’ll get to that soon.

So basically, my assignment was simply to do this in five quick and short points, which didn’t really give me much space to elaborate on my analysis. I’ll try to elaborate more here, I guess, but will keep it short either way for those of you with a short attention span.

Alright, so remember that pattern I mentioned before? Well, mine includes Batman as the superego, like some, and obviously the Joker as the id. Since I was only able to talk about Batman, I pretty much mentioned how he stands for morality, justice and order, in comparison to the superego. (I don’t believe he is an exact superego at all times, though. It can definitely be debated otherwise. Again, easy A!) He is so fixated with these ideals and rules that he refuses to retire from being Batman, making himself responsible for the safety and justice of Gotham. (This idea of acting with others in mind can also relate to post-conventional thinking in which one makes decisions based on principles for the good of humanity.) This can be compared to the superego in the sense that his personality as Batman is mainly regulated by the superego, the “angel” on one shoulder keeping the id in check.

I mentioned that his moral standards made him incapable of killing the Joker, despite all the bad he has done. (A recent article made a point that Batman disregarded his rule of not killing by tackling Harvey over the edge of the building, meaning it could very well debunk the whole idea of him being the voice of reason and justice that he is claimed to be in the film. Honestly, I think it’s a situational thing. In both cases, it was a matter of subduing the villain before they can do any more harm, Harvey with Gordon’s family and the Joker with the civilians and prisoners. Harvey could just as easily have pulled the trigger like the Joker could have detonated the bombs. The difference in the situation, though, is the distance between the Joker and Batman, as opposed to Batman’s proximity to Harvey. Batman was close enough to, luckily, launch the fins(?) of one of his gloves at Joker, immediately removing the detonator from his hands, giving him enough leverage to pull him over once Joker was distracted. The Joker was no longer a threat since the detonator was out of his reach, therefore, there was no need to kill him if he could have done otherwise. The situation with Harvey was different, though. The distance did not allow him to rely on chance when it came to aiming something at him to subdue him. It was a matter of acting, and fast. And any signs of him throwing something would have given him away, anyways, giving Harvey enough time to pull the trigger on the child he was holding. So again, it was a matter of surprise and distraction, once again giving him leverage to push the villain over a building once more. Only this time there were others and distance in between, making it all the more difficult. Which is why he brought the kid down with them too. And in that situation of acting rapidly, without any chance of hesitation, it’s the kid’s safety before Harvey’s, especially while the kid is also dangling from the building. If he could have chosen the outcome himself, though, I bet he would have left Harvey alive. [As for the other deaths said article mentions, well, I don’t know what to say. It’s a matter of considering whether the film will or will not be as real as possible.])

Joker’s purpose was to prove that even the best of them could be corrupted, case in point, Harvey Dent. I suggested that his inability to corrupt Batman, however, proves that Batman is indeed the best of them and not Harvey Dent. (Again, said article points out that he is corrupted once brought to the point of killing Harvey, but I’ve already made my case for that.)

Ok, so pretty much I said Batman was the superego and the Joker was the id. No need to explain further. Where my analysis differentiates, though, is the ego. As I’ve previously mentioned, that title has always alternated from Batman to Harvey. I, on the other hand, believe that the true ego in The Dark Knight is Gotham itself. I think it to be the personification of the ego mainly because it is this entity that tends to go to neither extreme of the spectrum while Joker and Batman battle to tip it over to their end.

Well, that is all I have to say. It was a fun assignment that I thought I should share with you all. (Also, sorry it’s not as short as I promised.)

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ShadowOfTheWeb
ShadowOfTheWeb - 2/14/2012, 8:22 AM
yeah fairplay, the Joker is most certainly a self-reflexive Id and your justification of Batman's actions against Joker and Dent sound well thought out.

You could also argue Dent is the dichotomy between the ego or superego and the id when he fluctuates between moral and just Harvey Dent and the animalistic and wild Two Face.

Nice touch suggesting Gotham itself is the Id, O like that a lot :)
ShadowOfTheWeb
ShadowOfTheWeb - 2/14/2012, 8:23 AM
*I like that a lot
WildCard
WildCard - 2/14/2012, 10:04 AM
Firstly, thanks for commenting! :)

Secondly, I agree about Harvey. I was also thinking to myself that Jung's archetypes might also be able to describe that relationship in terms of his archetype and shadow. He's still out, in a way, to seek justice, only this time it has turned into something dark.

And yeah, about the justification, I found myself thinking about that article's point and completely disagreed. I could have easily said oh, it was Two Face and not Harvey he killed but then that just puts him at the same level as Joker, someone he did let live. I thought best to fully analyze the scenes themselves, something I was already thinking about to begin with. I'm glad it actually makes sense.

Again, thanks for reading and commenting. I'm glad you liked it!

overlordfombax
overlordfombax - 2/15/2012, 10:01 PM
Dammit, this is the third time I've typed this! G'damn!

I wanted to say very interesting article. I don't think you can use it as a primary method of evaluating the film, since Nolan specifically stresses the struggle between the human Bruce Wayne and the more-than-human Batman, but it's certainly worthwhile.

I wonder if you're talking about my article or another?... In any case, I'd make a different point - Batman doesn't become corrupted by breaking his one rule. In fact, he'd be more corrupt if he DIDN'T and instead left James Jr. to die. At the end of TDK, Batman learns that Bruce Wayne's emotional hangups should not be allowed to corrupt Batman's ultimate motive - save innocent lives. He makes the right choice, ACTIVELY saving the boy and killing Harvey rather than PASSIVELY leaving him to fate - which is really interesting in contrast to the end of the first film.

It's all about the will to act, and ultimately breaking his one rule is a greater deed than allowing Ra's to die. Bruce has finally mustered up "The Will to Act," and it's a shocking revelation.

So cool article, although I have different views. Liked! : P
WildCard
WildCard - 2/16/2012, 10:24 AM
Thanks, Overlord, for reading, commenting and liking! :)

And no, it wasn't directed towards your article. Typical, I know, but my justification was directed towards one of Morty's points in his article. I just felt I should add it here in case that point was brought up again about him being corrupted and all in response to me saying he wasn't. (By the looks of it, though, that's not happening since only two people, as you can see, have commented.)

And I like your views, though. I'd say mine is simply considering the situation at hand in the physicality sense of it all while yours takes it farther, fully explaining why he does not become corrupted after all.

Again, thanks! :D

overlordfombax
overlordfombax - 2/17/2012, 8:00 AM
MORE PEOPLE SHOULD COMMENT ON DIS SHIT
WildCard
WildCard - 2/17/2012, 10:43 AM
@Overlord,

Lol I agree. But I think the words "analysis", "Batman" and "The Dark Knight" together in one sentence is probably avoided all together by people here. Oh well.
overlordfombax
overlordfombax - 2/17/2012, 11:54 AM
bleh. And I had similar ideas for all sortsa that kinda stuff... isn't there a comic book theory website somewhere?
WildCard
WildCard - 2/17/2012, 12:33 PM
Well, if you do write something, just know you'll at least have one reader with me. :)

As for other websites, I wouldn't know. I mostly discuss these things with my older brother and some friends on campus. Never really got into this site until my brother showed me Morty's article. I pretty much just made an account to comment and then just thought it'd be interesting to stick around. So, sorry for being of no help. I can admit I'm mostly clueless in the comic book world. But like I mentioned in the article, I'm working on that while simultaneously working with what I already know.

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