EDITORIAL: Why I Think TDKR Should Beat The Avengers

There is a lot of debate going on on this site, and I just wanted to sit down and talk about it.

Editorial Opinion
By Altair - Jun 11, 2012 08:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman

First off, this is not a "Nolanite" article. If you remember, I'm the man who used to hate Chris Nolan. Now, not so much any more, TDKR is even on my top, must-see movies of all time. And, speaking as a comic book fan, I think it should top Avengers. Not necessarily will, but should. This isn't for you Nolanites, if it was just about you and not all the other fans, I'd hope to see TDKR fail, but everyone else would lose there too. And this goes to all the people trolling about how "awesome" TASM will be. I'm looking forward to both, but don't bash others for their opinions.
To start, Avengers was amazing. A mindblowing film. It exceeded my anticipations by far. It deserves every single little penny it's earned. And to all the haters who said it would suck, you were wrong. But, it couldn't beat Avatar or Titanic. Hopefully TDKR can, and I'd even be happy if TASM did. All for this simple reason: two of the biggest movies of all time will have been CBMs. Can a nerd ask for more? The top three films right now are all different genres right now: romance, sci fi, and comic book movie. How great would it be if the two biggest films of the year are both comic book movies, and two of the four biggest movies of all time are comic book movies?
Do I think TDKR can beat Avengers? Absolutely. Do I think it will? No comment. I have this saying. Basically, I don't try to predict the future because I know I can't. Remember all the people who hated on Heath as Joker when we first saw him? Or all the people who said Avengers would fail? Or the people that said Green Lantern would be the best film of 2011? The truth is, us nerds aren't very reliable.
Now, since I've done what can be viewed as Nolan "hating" in this article, let me clear some stuff up. Any way I have insulted Nolan and his movies, was intended for the Nolanites who try to get their way by bashing others. TDKR looks AMAZING and hopefully will be. TASM looks AMAZING and hopefully will be. Avengers was amazing. The point of this article is to show what a good era it is to be a nerd. Sound off in the comments below, I love seeing an intelligent argument here in the comments every now and then.

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WolvieCBM
WolvieCBM - 6/11/2012, 9:18 AM
All that comes down to appeal of the film. This is really no "it should" be a bigger film. Avengers became a four-quadrant film just a couple of days before release. Pre-sales were big, but it wasn't Hunger Games big, or Potter big. Pre-sales and midnights mean nothing for the overall weekend. Avengers did quite big in midnights, but it just exploded on Friday and Sunday. WOM was huge and it spread like crazy during the first couple of days. It didn't break any records in pre-tickets sale, and yet, it sold 26 million tickets in opening weekend, which is a new record. TDKR will beat Potter for sure, and it might just hit $200M OW, which is stunning. We will definitely have two CBMs up there in the top 2 (US opening weekend). The overall theatrical run for TDKR is hard to predict right now, but there is a chance of $600M if WOM is very positive.

Overseas however, is a whole different story. Avengers became an unstoppable train in almost every major market. Yesterday was revealed that TDKR won't have a China release, which is a shame, because that market is now one of the biggest internationally. So we'll see. But TDKR will be big no matter what. Only time will tell.
GOTG
GOTG - 6/11/2012, 9:18 AM
idc as long as nolan dies
JBatesyFilmreviews
JBatesyFilmreviews - 6/11/2012, 9:41 AM
I think it is gonna be an amazing film and I am rooting for Batman (he is my favourite superhero) BUT looking at it logically, it's very difficult for TDKR to beat Avengers. Even if everyone who went to see avengers then went to see TDKR, the avengers would over ally still make more with the higher prices and cost of the 3D and the glasses. I understand why Nolan didn't want 3D but financially, it was a stupid decision.
LegendaryOutlaw
LegendaryOutlaw - 6/11/2012, 10:28 AM
Lets get this straight Altear ibis la ahah. There is no "It should be better". It is why YOU think it MIGHT be better.Okay Atlas? I'm gonna laugh if when people walk out of the theater and are like, "I paid for TDKR not The Phantom Menace!" Which it's probably not gonna be a Phantom Menace, but still, what if the movie bombs? Then it definitely won't beat Avengers and probably not TASM.
MisterFixit
MisterFixit - 6/11/2012, 10:34 AM
sorry, won't be able to beat it in no way, with spiderman running at the same time
ThreeBigTacos
ThreeBigTacos - 6/11/2012, 10:50 AM
"Why TDKR Should Beat The Avengers" the use of the word 'should' kinda feels forced. You're basically saying it WILL beat The Avengers. I don't think it will, but we'll see...
ralfinader
ralfinader - 6/11/2012, 10:58 AM
I do not believe it will for a couple of reasons.

1- Avengers was something nobody had seen on the big screen. People have had plenty of Batman over the decades.

2- Unfortunate as Ledger's death was, it was a marketing monster for TDK, getting people with no previous interest in Batman going to see the movie just to see Ledger's final completed, and acclaimed performance.

So, new and shiny, and built up for over half a decade, got Avengers the records and moneys. TDKR has less of a marketing boost TDK had, and a less known actor and villian. Not hating on TDKR. but I think the real question is: Can TDKR beat TDK?
ralfinader
ralfinader - 6/11/2012, 11:00 AM
MisterFixit - 6/11/2012, 10:34 AM
Report Comment sorry, won't be able to beat it in no way, with spiderman running at the same time

Forgot about that factor.
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 6/11/2012, 11:29 AM
@Just1Superguy

I don't know where you go to the theater but 3d tickets are not double the price of regular tickets where I am in California they are $15.25 for 3D and $17.75 for imax 3D versus $11.25 for 2D.
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 6/11/2012, 11:29 AM
I live in San Diego county to so usually higher prices.
BooYah
BooYah - 6/11/2012, 11:46 AM
lol youre mistaken. Like @Yoss said if TDKR beats The Avengers that wouldn't make CBM's be at #2 and #3. It would drop Avengers to #4.
ralfinader
ralfinader - 6/11/2012, 1:15 PM
@Just1Superguy - Most hardcore Spidey fans are now over the age of 35. The wall crawler has been around alot longer than a 35 year old. Also, getting older, new responsabilities, and the crushing defeat that is life do not take that love of Spidey away, if anything, it strengthens it.

And yeah, you guys in NYC are getting mauled by ticket prices...$23 bucks...damn!
Altair
Altair - 6/11/2012, 1:30 PM
@Yoss & @BooYah

I worded it wrong. I meant to say the 2 biggest films of the year, not the 3 of all time.

@IronManFan10

Do you really have to make fun of my username? Never played Assassin's Creed, have you? Your comment was borderline racist if that was my real name anyways.
Altair
Altair - 6/11/2012, 1:32 PM
@Everyone Thanks for the feedback, it's good to see intelligent arguments like I said rather than a bunch of trolling. I agree the title is a little misleading, and nowhere in my article did I say it will beat Avengers. I'm just stating my opinion in why it should. I'm a bigger Marvel fan anyways.
Altair
Altair - 6/11/2012, 1:36 PM
Fixed the title and "3 biggest films" statement.
marvel72
marvel72 - 6/11/2012, 3:03 PM
the dark knight rises will do well but not the avengers well.

the trailers look terrible for this film & thats from a comic book fan,it'll be good but nothing to lose your shit over.
SHHH
SHHH - 6/11/2012, 3:45 PM
I'll Wait N See First...
95
95 - 6/11/2012, 4:06 PM
It will outgross The Avengers.
Gary8264
Gary8264 - 6/11/2012, 5:58 PM
@Altair, one reason for TDK makin' so much money, is the fact that it ran for 6 months (which was due to Ledger's death) and it just barely beat a billion then. I thin' TDKR will have a great openin' weekend, and then drop afterwards.... and I sure Lord don't see it stayin' in the theaters for 6 months this time 'round. So, no I don't thin' it will do Avengers money, or even TDK money.
"Make Mine Marvel"
Altair
Altair - 6/11/2012, 6:16 PM
Did you guys even read the article? I never said it would beat the Avengers in box office terms, just why it would be cool if it did. I actually doubt it will outgrow the Avengers.
abuleban
abuleban - 6/11/2012, 7:07 PM
No 3-D, and to beat Avengers it needs repeat viewing; I'll see it twice, as compared to Avengers which I have seen about 10 times I think. So, I would have to predict that TDKR won't beat Avengers.

But I could be wrong, who knows! I just hope it's good!
Altair
Altair - 6/11/2012, 7:16 PM
@JokerFanHAhaHA. I understand, not the most thought-out article, but I'm not Nolan hating, I used to. My point was that it would do great for the genre if TDKR tops Avengers and the years top two films were both CBMs.
NickMoney
NickMoney - 6/11/2012, 8:28 PM
The darker tone and die hard fans can't carry DKR like the Avengers did with family market and 3D sur-charge. Also being 3 hours 15 minutes with previews they are losing 3-5 showing a screen per day. Competition plays a role in this too, Avengers came out in the dead season of late spring just as Hunger Games was dieing down finally but Dark Knight Rises has to compete with 6 other movies in same genre. Just a thing I have noticed that I talked was watching TV with someone who asked me what Dark Knight Rises was after the commercial aired on 4 occasions. Not having name Batman in the title could confuse mass market.
Curmudgeon
Curmudgeon - 6/12/2012, 12:26 AM
Avengers made as much money in four weeks as Dark Knight did in seven and a half months.

And TDKR faces stronger competition in its following weeks than either of them did.

No way in hell does it beat either one, let alone both.
SageMode
SageMode - 6/12/2012, 1:33 AM
This article doesn't make any sense. As JOKERFANHAHA pointed out, you don't give an explanation on your reasoning, and then you say that TDKR should beat THE AVENGERS for the better sake of the CBM genre? I just don't see the logic in that whatsoever. THE AVENGERS and the impact it has already ready made has set a new standard and raised the bar on comic book movies to come in the future. so, that has already been accomplished.
Shaman
Shaman - 6/12/2012, 5:48 AM
0SageMode0- I think it's merely a bad choice of words. The word "should" can be perceived two ways in this sentence:

1- TDKR "should" beat The Avengers (i.e. "has a good chance to", because it has yaddy yaddy yadda)

2- TDKR "should" beat The Avengers (i.e. "i want it to" because it would give us geeks more top ranked CBMs)

I think he meant the latter.
Shaman
Shaman - 6/12/2012, 5:55 AM
As for who invented the dark/gritty cbm vs. who made it popular... Burton wins. Thing is, we have yet to see a dark and gritty take on a franchise that normally isn't already dark and gritty. Blade, Batman, The Crow, V for Vendetta, all come from dark and gritty sources. What makes Nolan's films different isn't the darkness, it's the quazi-realism taking center stage on account of the removal of the fantastical aspects of the source. And i'm glad we're closing the book on that, personally. Avengers was a tremendous help in making it end. Long live the comic book film!
Alexandre
Alexandre - 6/12/2012, 5:59 AM
@JokerFanHAhaHA

marvel did it with blade but it wasn't successful as with tdk so technically it was with nolan that that started. if we go by your logic then the avengers isnt anything new either. ex: watchmen, ff, xmen, mystery men etc. but since none of those were as successful both critically and financially as the avengers was then those shouldn't count.

but to the writer of this article i echo most people's opinion on here. why SHOULD it? im a big nolanite and i love batman. would i like to see it beat the avengers? of course i would but my reasonable side pops up and agrees that it doesnt need to. let it do what it is meant to do and thats that. if there is any impact nolan should be aiming at here it should be at trying to achieve the rare occasion of delivering an actual good third film.
TheMyth
TheMyth - 6/12/2012, 6:12 AM
/facepalm
Shaman
Shaman - 6/12/2012, 6:29 AM
LOL Slow news day ;)
justified1
justified1 - 6/12/2012, 8:51 AM
Two different movies bro.

Just be happy we're getting these movies and that they will be good.
lnTylerWeTrust
lnTylerWeTrust - 6/12/2012, 6:12 PM
Totally agree with JokerFanHAhaHA
R888
R888 - 6/12/2012, 8:37 PM
What happens if twilight beats them both
MitchConner
MitchConner - 6/13/2012, 2:34 AM
I doubt TDKR will beat the avengers...it will likely be a better movie, but on the contet alone, parents didn't take their 5 year olds to see the Dark Knight...my neighbor said it was too violent, and dark...I wouldn't want my 8 year old to see Bane break Batmans back either, too much...but she loved Avengers...Nolan's films are perfect for people like me, and I hope they don't change, but it will be hard to breach a billion without that extra "bring the kids" kick.
MitchConner
MitchConner - 6/13/2012, 2:43 AM
@thewallcrawlingmenace, I agree with the other guy on page 1, dude, after you turn 30 Spiderman becomes uninteresting. I've said that in previous posts too, I liked spiderman as a kid, but as an adult, I'm tired of watching teenagers with super powers...tech based heroes, others like the Punisher, all still very fake, are much more appealing...and I'm sure by the time I turn 40 I'll care less about more of them...plus, I've also said this, e nuff with F$CKING spiderman already! Retire that crap for a decade or something, I hate that I'll have to sit through that with my nephews...and weve already heard the studio thinks it sucks...so, wtf
ralfinader
ralfinader - 6/13/2012, 5:17 AM
@remindkevin - I guess I am a minority, I am well over 30, and have seen every Spiderman movie and cartoon and live-action TV show made to date. And due to this reboots marketing, I am going to see this one too (which I had no intention of doing when it was announced). Hell, the people making these movies (Nolan, Whedon, Fiege, etc.) are closer to my age or older than a 30 year old. I also highly doubt TDKR will be a better movie than Avengers, so much looks wrong. That being said, it sounds like you have already lost the love of CBM's (if you ever really had more than a passing interest in the genre) long before you turn 40, and that is sad.
Alexandre
Alexandre - 6/13/2012, 6:06 AM
dude i agree with you. i just think that the avengers isnt anything new either if we go by that logic you mentioned. that whole team up hero film as been seen before but since none of those were made as great as the avengers then i have fully stop acknowledging those as the "originators" and now considered the avengers as the one to try to beat or be as good as it.

as for tdkr, it doesn't need to beat anything just try to give us a good third film. close the franchise with a bang not with an upset like most trilogies.

the only time that nolan needed to beat anything was with making a better sequel to bb and he did it with tdk. and now we know the legacy that film has. thats why for a long time any hero film needed to either beat or tie tdk and now finally the avengers is the only one to have done it. tdkr doesnt have to do anything we already know how awesome these films are and we now with the avengers we finally have another film that matches the quality of those films.
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