JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Ending Explained: Breaking Down That Controversial, Shocking Conclusion - SPOILERS

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Ending Explained: Breaking Down That Controversial, Shocking Conclusion - SPOILERS

Joker: Folie à Deux is now playing in theaters and we're taking a deep dive into the sequel's shocking, controversial ending and explaining what it means for Arthur Fleck and this franchise's future...

By JoshWilding - Oct 03, 2024 12:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Joker

Joker: Folie à Deux arrives in theaters later today and the ending...well, it's one bound to generate a lot of debate and controversy among comic book fans. 

Throughout the course of the Joker sequel, Lady Gaga's Lee pushes Arthur Fleck (Joaquin Phoenix) to become his "true" self, Joker. However, after a harrowing trial which sees the psychopath forced to reckon with his past actions, Arthur - dressed as Joker - reveals that the persona was just a fantasy and says he was the one who murdered those people. 

Lee is in equal parts heartbroken and horrified by this revelation and walks out of the courtroom along with Joker's many other supporters. When a verdict is later reached, a bomb goes off and Arthur is taken to freedom by two of his most devoted fanatics. 

He runs from them shortly after and reunites with Lee. He begs her to join him and run away; instead, she rejects him and what they had as a "fantasy" so, shattered, Arthur hands himself in. 

In the closing moments of Joker: Folie à Deux, a young inmate called Ricky (played by Jacob Lofland) approaches Arthur, tells a joke, and declares "You get what you f***ing deserve" before repeatedly stabbing him. 

Laughing maniacally, he carves a smile across his face similar to Heath Ledger's Joker and the movie ends with Arthur's death. 

The entirety of this squel is clearly meant as a commentary on the fans who idolise Joker and who filmmaker Todd Phillips rallied against when the first movie was accused of being a rallying call for incels. The problem there, of course, is that the number of people who view Arthur as a "hero" is a tiny minority, and Joker: Folie à Deux's message rings hollow, as a result.

As for Ricky, while it's not overtly stated, it seems the idea is that he's now the new Joker after Arthur's actions inspired other similarly damaged men to follow in his footsteps.

Joker: Folie À Deux finds Arthur Fleck institutionalized at Arkham awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him.

The sequel stars Joaquin Phoenix once again in his Oscar-winning dual role as Arthur Fleck/Joker, opposite Oscar-winner Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born). The movie also features Oscar nominees Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees of Inisherin) and Catherine Keener (Get Out), alongside Zazie Beetz, reprising her role from Joker.

Joker: Folie À Deux arrives in theaters on October 4.

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itzayaboy
itzayaboy - 10/3/2024, 12:25 PM
So incredibly Avi Arad level stupid to make this movie.
Forthas
Forthas - 10/3/2024, 12:31 PM
I would have to see the film but I could see a narrative where that could work. The only problem is that it feels revisionist so it does not land well.

This is why planning and understanding the direction you want to end up on is so important.
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 10/3/2024, 12:31 PM
I had read the ending before but wait…


Wasn’t the whole crutch of the first movie to show Arthur was mentally ill? And that one bad day made him break.
Like that’s one of the contributing factors in Joaquin winning the Oscar. He was portraying a mentally ill man (they just pasted the name Joker over it of course to sell tickets) so why are they backtracking on that all do the sudden ?

🤔
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 10/3/2024, 12:37 PM
@MisterDoctor217 - The first movie left that open to interpretation but now, it’s pretty definitive that Arthur isn’t insane, just evil, just like the character he’s based on.
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 10/3/2024, 12:48 PM
@FireandBlood -

So now they’re trying to make him like the actual Joker is when they decide to make it musical 🤔

I don’t understand these decisions lol
ImNotaBot
ImNotaBot - 10/3/2024, 12:59 PM
@FireandBlood - He's not even evil, the movie pretty much says that he did it just for attention seeking and he cant handle being the joker because Arthur is just a pathetic person.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 10/3/2024, 1:04 PM
@ImNotaBot - Killing people for attention is evil, bro.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 10/3/2024, 1:05 PM
@MisterDoctor217 - I don’t even think they do.
ImNotaBot
ImNotaBot - 10/3/2024, 1:13 PM
@MisterDoctor217 - The first movie pretty much says he's mentally ill, he has a laughing condition and has a lot of fantasies taking him away from reality. His mother is also schizophrenic but they somehow forgot about it in the sequel.

In the sequel they heavily imply that Arthur made up the laughing condition but they dont explain why. The whole plot of the movie is to find out if Arthur is really the Joker or he pretends to be and in the end he can't handle the whole Joker persona because he piss off some guards and they abuse him before the end of the trial.

I think WB toned down the sequel because the first one is a dangerous movie that may entice crazy people making horrible stuff in the real world. So they just threat Arthur like a dumbass that just wants to be noticed. The movie don't hold back makingh Arthur looks like the most pathetic person in the world.
ImNotaBot
ImNotaBot - 10/3/2024, 1:15 PM
@FireandBlood - Yeah my bad, he's just pathetic evil.
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 10/3/2024, 1:19 PM
@ImNotaBot -

Damn , so basically they actually backtracked on everything portrayed in the first movie.
I actually didn’t expect that.

I can see why tho , I know the first movie was scandalous because of the influence people were saying it might have on others , but I mean that’s the whole reason everyone went to see it.

So now they’re trying to just say he’s a loser who wanted attention.

I mean I get it but it seems like they just didn’t know what to do. Just wanted another billion dollar hit.
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 10/3/2024, 1:19 PM
@FireandBlood -

Yeah it seems like it lol
ImNotaBot
ImNotaBot - 10/3/2024, 1:19 PM
@MisterDoctor217 - He's 10000% NOT the Joker, in the first movie they try to make you think he's this universe the Joker but the sequel exterminate that idea. Harley is pretty much a watered down Harley, but Arthur is not the Joker at all.

Also the "muscial" part of the movie is just plain bad, both the execution and also the performance.
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 10/3/2024, 1:24 PM
@ImNotaBot -

I see , so basically the theory that he is just someone who inspired the real joker is true?
Idk man just seems so convoluted. So many other interesting ways to use the Joker and they had to use the IP for this lol


And yeah I can see the musical aspect of the film being the least interesting.

They basically just got Gaga for that reason and also to potentially get her another Oscar nom. But that is not going to happen lol
ImNotaBot
ImNotaBot - 10/3/2024, 1:36 PM
@MisterDoctor217 - The movie retcons a lot about who Arthur is and what his mentally illness are. The ending of the first movie with Arthur seemingly killing the doctor and running from the guards is not here at all, in this movie the guards bullying him constantly and he just stands there because he cant be the Joker, hes just a pathetic coward.

From the begining of the movie they already remove his laugh condition to make sure that the audience knows that he was faking it. They also dont mention the medication he was taking in the first movie or his diagnostics.
ImNotaBot
ImNotaBot - 10/3/2024, 1:50 PM
@MisterDoctor217 - Yeah he inspired a lunatic that gets into the asylum and this guy just watches Arthur for the whole movie until the very end. When Arthur backtracks and says hes not the Joker in the end of the trial he gets back to the asylum and the crazy guy kills him saying the "you get what you [frick]ing deserve" line. And then this now "real joker" cuts his face while laughing making the Heath Ledger Joker scar while Arthur dies.

This ending may represent that in the moment that Arthur decided he could not be the Joker, it was already too late, he rejected the Joker, the Joker just killed him. The are more scenes in the movie implying that the Joker and Arthur are not the same the by the end the Joker will kill Arthur. But the execution is just terrible, this movie has a lot of ideas but all executed soo bad in a level that the sequel ruins the first movie.
AllsGood
AllsGood - 10/3/2024, 12:48 PM
Joker: Folie à Deux is a Dumpster Fire I will NEVER watch this Musical even for Free.

Now has a 47% at Rotten Tomatoes and Audience Score not looking good nothing but Audience 1 Star Reviews.

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Lisa89
Lisa89 - 10/3/2024, 12:49 PM
@AllsGood - Bot and sold.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 10/3/2024, 12:52 PM
@AllsGood - same. i HATED Joker so i have 0 interest in this
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 10/3/2024, 12:59 PM
@AllsGood - I’ll watch it for free. But it’s legal in my country.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/3/2024, 12:52 PM
I don’t necessarily mind this idea , other iterations like Gotham or even the comics at times have toyed with this that the Joker is a legacy even though I don’t necessarily love that take

However I can understand how some people wouldn’t respond well to the idea that the guy they have been following isn’t the one that becomes the Joker which is fair…

I would then say them that thus was always meant to be a story about how a society could push a man like Arthur to become someone like the Joker and now the sequel seems to be about how that persona takes on a life of its own and can spiral out of control which could be interesting.

Anyway , I’ll still check it out for myself since I was interested in this eventually (surprisingly so since I didn’t care much for the first one) and see where I fall in the mixed-negative reception thus far.

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SATW42
SATW42 - 10/3/2024, 12:53 PM
@joshwilding - "The entirety of this squel is clearly meant as a commentary on the fans who idolise Joker and who filmmaker Todd Phillips rallied against when the first movie was accused of being a rallying call for incels. The problem there, of course, is that the number of people who view Arthur as a "hero" is a tiny minority, and Joker: Folie à Deux's message rings hollow, as a result."

huh. The first movie ended with Joker being idolized, WITHIN THE MOVIE. So it makes narrative sense for him to still have this messed up following and eventually be in the cause of his own demise, and unleashing what sounds like an even sicker monster and got what he deserved.

I don't think because "not enough" people in the real world idolized him that it somehow lessens the message.

I don't even want to see this movie mind you, I just found this take to be odd.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/3/2024, 1:01 PM
@SATW42 - yeah

This seems like it’s essentially about the repercussions of his actions
Matchesz
Matchesz - 10/3/2024, 12:54 PM
Hollywood is great at ruining good things. Im scared for Gladiator 2 😔
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 10/3/2024, 1:03 PM
@Matchesz - I was worried until Denzel. User Comment Image
AllsGood
AllsGood - 10/3/2024, 1:21 PM
@Matchesz - I'm very excited for Director Damien Leone Terrifier 3 movie now has a Mind Blowing 93% at Rotten Tomatoes. Was my must anticipated movie in 2024 with Deadpool and Wolverine a close second.

TheShape9859
TheShape9859 - 10/3/2024, 1:05 PM
It was all just a dream...
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 10/3/2024, 2:00 PM
@TheShape9859 - Shyamalanesque!

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SATW42
SATW42 - 10/3/2024, 1:09 PM
apart from the fact that I'm just not that interested in this movie, it sounds like it fixes at least some of the things I took issue with.

I've said it here, the ending of the movie idolized him too much, from the moment he put on the suit and danced down the steps, to his speech, to the chaos he unleashed and his wacky ending running around the halls of the asylum.

This movie, it sounds like, has all the "cool" in his own mind and in reality he's the sad sack we all know him to truly be, and then HE got what he deserved.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/3/2024, 1:32 PM
@SATW42 - one thing that’s interesting that I have heard from negative reviews is that this movie hates its characters which I find interesting , like what dies that mean

Is it just because they are treated poorly or Dave the consequences of their actions?
grif
grif - 10/3/2024, 1:15 PM
they probably could have milked this and walked away with some profit but quadrupling the budget was a huge mistake

Baf
Baf - 10/3/2024, 1:38 PM
Why are we getting spoiler articles the day of the release? The ending is shockingly controversial? Glad I read the headline.
TheCoonII
TheCoonII - 10/3/2024, 1:39 PM
@Baf - i mean at least print the word SPOILERS in big red letters…..oh wait…..
Baf
Baf - 10/3/2024, 2:05 PM
@TheCoonII - I saw the big red letters and didn't read the articles or comments. I contend that there are spoilees in the headline.
Baf
Baf - 10/3/2024, 2:08 PM
@TheCoonII - I would think any Spoiler article should at least wait to be printed after the release weekend. Not opening day.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 10/3/2024, 1:49 PM
It might sound petty, but I'm more bothered that they gave the Joker TWO names in these shitty movies more than anything else and that in this universe, the "real" Joker is just some guy named RICKY.

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Joeb414
Joeb414 - 10/3/2024, 1:58 PM
Not a fan at all of the first one. To many people over hyped it to get a sequel which I knew right away would be even worse. Everything I’ve read said that it’s just so out of touch how did WB even agree to putting this out but canceled all the other DC stuff that was made. I think DC has always been hopeless with everything they put out. Dark knight trilogy was fine i think it gets over hyped. I do think the Batman is the most comic accurate for a starter to a universe. But nothing has been on top tier level. That’s just me I never can be satisfied with anything by DC.
HermanM
HermanM - 10/3/2024, 1:59 PM
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I'm happy this movie is bombing at the box office like the first film should have

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