THE BATMAN - PART II: James Gunn Debunks Rumor That Scarecrow, Professor Pyg, & More Are Set To Appear

THE BATMAN - PART II: James Gunn Debunks Rumor That Scarecrow, Professor Pyg, & More Are Set To Appear

Several villains are rumored to be introduced in Matt Reeves' The Batman sequel, including Scarecrow, Clayface, and Professor Pyg. However, James Gunn has now shot down these reports...

By MarkCassidy - Dec 27, 2023 11:12 AM EST
Filed Under: The Batman

Quite a few rumors relating to Matt Reeves' The Batman sequel have been doing the rounds over the past few weeks, but it seems most - if not all - may prove to be inaccurate.

We've heard that multiple villains, including Clayface, Scarecrow, Hush and Professor Pyg, along with Dick Grayson/Robin, will be introduced in the movie, but when DC Studios co-head James Gunn was asked about these characters on Threads, he responded with, "Nope. Totally made up."

Gunn is not believed to be directly involved with developing The Batman - Part II, but despite the sequel existing outside the main DCU as an "Elseworlds" story, the Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 director is obviously going to be privy to Reeves' plans.

Interestingly, not all of these rumored characters were social media "scoops." Clayface, for example, was first mentioned in a trade report on potential plans for a spin-off featuring the classic Bat-baddie, and Reeves himself dropped a few Hush hints after Dr. Tommy Elliot was teased in the first film.

In The Batman, the groundwork is actually laid for the introduction of Hush when The Riddler exposes some dark secrets, revealing that Thomas Wayne played a part in the death of a journalist named Edward Elliot. While this could just be a coincidence, the word "hush" even flashes up on the screen at one point.

Even so, it seems Reeves is planning to take the story in another direction. Perhaps Barry Keoghan's Joker will wind up being the main villain after all?

Recent reports have indicated that the plan is to start shooting The Dark Knight's next big-screen outing in late summer, with casting getting underway from February.

Robert Pattinson, Zoë Kravitz, Andy Serkis, Jeffrey Wright, and Colin Farrell are all expected to reprise their respective roles, and characters introduced in the Penguin Max spin-off series are also likely to appear.

Specific plot details are still under wraps, but we know the Penguin spin-off series will set up the story. As far as official info goes, Reeves has stated that his sequel will continue this "epic crime saga," but that's about all we have to go on.

The Batman - Part II is set to release in theaters on October 3, 2025.

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Thing94
Thing94 - 12/27/2023, 11:32 AM
James Gunn needs to stay off Twitter and make THREE huge DC hits on a row with the new universe, then start chiming in
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 12/27/2023, 11:35 AM
@Thing94 - I like he's debunking stuff on social media. That way we know what is fake, which helps prevent setting unrealistic expectations. And it's those expectations we judge a movie on
bobevanz
bobevanz - 12/27/2023, 11:37 AM
@Thing94 - he needs to show the world that these Twitter bots are making things up for clicks, and news outlets like here who spout everything off
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/27/2023, 11:47 AM
@Thing94 - Preach bruthu! Been posting that on almost ever Gunn article.
RedFury
RedFury - 12/27/2023, 11:51 AM
@Thing94 - if this was 10 years ago I might agree. But in this day and age where these rumours gain an unbelievable amount of traction, I think it's great that Gunn is out there shutting them down.

There is no need for people to get their hopes up about a film, to have them burst when they watch it; all because some "scooper" wants attention. We seem to live in an age where people believe anything any rando on twitter spouts, so to have someone checking the facts and shutting them up is something I very much appreciate. Maybe if Feige did the same, people wouldn't have been so dissapointed with MoM and enjoyed it for what it was.
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 12/27/2023, 12:10 PM
@bkmeijer1 -

Agreed. This is the reason he debunks things. I think he wants people to have the right expectations going in otherwise, decent films will get blasted for not “living up to expectations” of moviegoers.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 12/27/2023, 3:28 PM
@Thing94 - yup. If his first few movies fail he might not be the DCU head for long and we'll be into another reboot.
foreverintheway
foreverintheway - 12/28/2023, 11:54 AM
@Thing94 - He might be in the process of doing so - why does he need to stay off twitter to do that?
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 12/27/2023, 11:35 AM
Hush and clayface are enough. Scarecrow and Pyg would have made it feel overcrowded. Also, Pyg can't be PG-13.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/27/2023, 11:49 AM
@MCUKnight11 - The Pyg scene with all those elites at a dinner in Gotham was about as disgusting and brutal you can see on TV. I literally had to look away.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 12/27/2023, 11:37 AM
I rather see Clayface elsewhere. Think the Mud Pack could be a really interesting cast of characters for a tv show.

As for Pyg and Scarecrow, I don't need to see them anyway so I don't mind Gunn debunking they'll appear. Do think it would be cool to see a two-movie arc with Hush spread over Part 2 and 3 though.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 12/27/2023, 11:38 AM
I still want Mr Freeze if we're counting Matt Reeves' love for Adam West's Batman. I think the broken levee and the mass flooding before December was a perfect time to do so
TheLobster
TheLobster - 12/27/2023, 11:39 AM
Would love to see Clayface but I want the animated series version and I don’t see how you do that in Matt Reeves universe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 12/27/2023, 11:39 AM
Does anyone still believe any of these “scoopers/rumors/spoilers” from “sources” outside of the studios?

JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 12/27/2023, 11:39 AM
Feels like Gunn is like a dad who’s constantly debunking a bunch of kids’ present theories for Christmas.
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 12/27/2023, 11:50 AM
I haven't seen ANY enthusiasm for Barry Keoghan's Joker. It could be Joker fatigue, but I just don't think his introduction was a home run at all. And I really don't like James Gunn debunking non-DCU rumors. I know he's technically in charge of all the DC projects. But when it comes to The Batman universe, he should let Matt Reeves be the spokesperson.
RolandD
RolandD - 12/27/2023, 12:35 PM
@99OPTIMISTPRIME - He’s a studio head. Even if he is not developing the details of the movie himself, he and Safran are responsible for the results so I don’t see him stopping.
DarkModeDan
DarkModeDan - 12/27/2023, 11:55 AM
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/27/2023, 11:58 AM
We don't need to see Scarecrow again because Nolan nailed it in his films. No Pyg because, well ... just stupid. Clayface isn't possible in this practical effects world, no Joker; been done to death and was not impressed with that deleted scene, please no more Riddler. No Bane

It MUST BE HUSH. The perfect villain to show off Bat's detective skills.
If you throw a couple minor villains in there, so be it. Hugo Strange, Mad Hatter, maybe Talia Al Guhl would all work as secondary bad guys. Just don't put all of them in. Choose one. I'd go Strange because he fits the practicality of the film.
(I'm assuming Penguin will end up in there too)
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 12/27/2023, 12:13 PM
@lazlodaytona -

I agree other than Pyg. I’d like to see more unknowns in the Batman II.
Pakent
Pakent - 12/27/2023, 12:20 PM

James Gunn's ego and narcissism is so big that he needs to comment on movies that he's not directing, writting or even producing, he should stick to only comment about he's new fartjoke Superman movie
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 12/27/2023, 2:22 PM
@fartjokesking - But he is in fact producing them. Whether or not, he gets an on screen producer title, they're all part of his responsibilities as studio head. He has authority to approve or veto anything that goes on in any of them. From story to casting to whether or not they get made at all.
RolandD
RolandD - 12/27/2023, 12:37 PM
I am not sure he shot down all of those characters or just the latest rumors about Pug and Scarecrow. It seems to me it could be read either way.
marvel72
marvel72 - 12/27/2023, 12:40 PM
Court Of Owls

SodaBurps
SodaBurps - 12/27/2023, 12:44 PM
Off topic, but what are some other good places for cbm news? I've been coming here for years mostly as a lurker but I think I'm done. The place just keeps sinking further into the sewage.
Nolanite
Nolanite - 12/27/2023, 7:20 PM
@SodaBurps - goodbye then.
You won't be remembered a hole.
SodaBurps
SodaBurps - 12/27/2023, 7:50 PM
@Nolanite - And it's that kind of reply that just proves my point. I hope you had a great holiday.
BillyBatson1000
BillyBatson1000 - 12/27/2023, 12:50 PM
Yesterday's News = Some dubious wank I heard on Twitter.

Todays News = Debunking the dubious wank I heard on Twitter.

Tomorrow's News = All Brand New dubious wank I heard on Twitter.


BruceWayng
BruceWayng - 12/27/2023, 12:57 PM
Posts article about rumors regarding movie. Posts second article announcing that rumors have been debunked by head of studio.




Also, am I the only one that doesn’t want to see Hush in these Batman films. Don’t get me wrong, I like the character and the storyline he first appeared in has become a Batman classic.

That being said, I just feel like his look and the basis of him as a character would just feel like a continuation of the Reeve version of Riddler. I feel like the same can be said about The Court of Owls. From a storytelling perspective the CoO story is too similar to the plot of the first film. I definitely like the detective/noir/pulp look and feel that Reeves has created and do not mind if that’s a throughput linking all of the movies and side projects.

Clayface could work if they do something practical and maybe incorporate some body horror elements. Like have Clayfaces bare face be missing ears and his nose which allows him to use prosthetics and makeup to change his appearance.

Mr Freeze is a tough one to pull off IMO bc the only way to make him grounded and have him fit in Reeve’s universe would be to turn him into a flat out psycho (and possible serial killer) who freezes the bodies of his victims or keeps them alive but frozen-all in an effort to find a cure for his wife. I mean I really don’t think I’d want to see a full 2.5-3 hours of something like that. Waaaay too dark for me.
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 12/27/2023, 6:23 PM
@BruceWayng - great points!
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 12/27/2023, 6:24 PM
@TheRationalNerd - Hush could allow Pattinsons Bruce Wayne persona to shine more unlike how he did in The Batman.
BruceWayng
BruceWayng - 12/27/2023, 8:59 PM
@TheRationalNerd - I really hope Reeves lets the Bruce Wayne public persona shine more moving forward. If you wanna see Pattinson do Bruce check o his roles in Tenent and Cosmopolis.

The guy can play both charming playboy and rich douche- depending on which direction they want to take the character. He can still be moody emo Bruce in his parents basement… I mean his batcave…but I think it’s time we get to see Pattinson’s billionaire playboy version of Wayne in this next one .
MarvelZombie616
MarvelZombie616 - 12/27/2023, 1:06 PM
I am also contemplating to leave this site for a few months.
While i like the people here and even enjoyed lots of Josh Wildings articles, i am sick of all the online scoopers rumors, which ALL are ending up as fake since the hollywood directors and actors strike.
I can remember that in the past lots of these rumors were true, at least partial.
That really isn't the case now.

One subject has even killed all my interest in an upcomic movie: Fantastic Four casting.

NOTHING reported here has been confirmed, the only thing that deadline.com has written is that Pedro Pascal is rumored to play Reed Richards.

ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 12/27/2023, 1:26 PM
I mean for the grounded tone of The Batman Professor Pyg would make sense.
marvel72
marvel72 - 12/27/2023, 1:34 PM
@ModHaterSLADE - I agree, I would like to see The Court Of Owls as well.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 12/27/2023, 1:36 PM
@marvel72 - Agreed, I'd love an overarching plot with them across multiple movies.
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 12/27/2023, 6:21 PM
Just make The Batman canon and scrap Brave and the Bold.
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 12/28/2023, 1:12 AM
@TheRationalNerd - this could be the best way, but I think Pattinson doesn't wanna be so locked in.
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