THE BATMAN Director Matt Reeves On Shooting Fake Scenes In Order To Preserve SPOILERS

THE BATMAN Director Matt Reeves On Shooting Fake Scenes In Order To Preserve SPOILERS

The Batman director Matt Reeves has addressed some leaked set photos that showed up online last year which appeared to confirm who a certain actor would be playing in the reboot. Major spoilers ahead.

By MarkCassidy - Mar 04, 2022 09:03 AM EST
Filed Under: The Batman

Warning: If you haven't seen The Batman yet, spoilers follow from this point on.

As many will already be aware by now, Eternals actor Barry Keoghan does not play GCPD officer Stanley Merkel in the movie as was initially reported, but a mysterious character credited as “Unnamed Arkham Prisoner." Of course, you don't need to be the world's greatest detective to figure out that this guy was actually The Joker, and director Matt Reeves has now made it official.

During an interview with IGN, the filmmaker revealed that those leaked set photos featuring Keoghan in a police uniform were indeed faked in an attempt to preserve spoilers from getting out.

"When you're making a movie like this, you want it to be different, you want people to feel like they're having a special experience,” he said. “And then for me, when you're going to the cinema you want some level of surprise. I think one of the things I was worried about was speculation while we were making the movie, that we would be exploring the character that we ended up exploring. So we started thinking what we could do to throw people off that scent. This idea of making him Stanley Merkel was exactly that, because the police force is actually a big part of the story so it seemed credible that we could be doing that.”

Unfortunately, word did eventually get out that Keoghan was playing the Clown Prince of Crime, although it was treated as an unsubstantiated rumor for quite a while.

Keoghan only appears in a brief scene with The Riddler (Paul Dano) towards the end of the film, but Reeves recently revealed that another sequence featuring The Joker was cut, and has now shared some intriguing new details. As it turns out, Batman (Robert Pattinson) was originally going to pay a visit to his old enemy in Arkham to ask for his help in stopping Gotham's relentless serial killer.

“He goes to see another killer that he's clearly had an experience with in these first two years. And this killer in this story is not yet the character that we come to know, right? So everybody's in their infancy. So in the comics, these characters often declare their alter egos in response to the fact that there's a Batman out there. And so here, we have a Joker who's not yet the Joker.”

This suggests a Clarice Starling/Hannibal Lecter-like dynamic between the characters, and it's a real shame the scene didn't make the theatrical release. There's a good chance we will get to see it on the Blu-ray, though.

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RokoVII
RokoVII - 3/4/2022, 9:33 AM
Question…When we see Batman in the Batmobile the 1st time…Was it my imagination or did the Batmobile stall when he was revving it up just before he started chasing Penguin?
Cause that scene was cool right up to that point lol
Conquistador
Conquistador - 3/4/2022, 9:48 AM
@RokoVII - Haha na. I think he was kind of saying 'let's play chicken' if that makes sense.
RokoVII
RokoVII - 3/4/2022, 9:50 AM
@UniqNo - that would be a better explanation yeah. Sure looked like a stall 😂 i heard people comment ‘did he just stall?” 😂
Chuck420Taylor
Chuck420Taylor - 3/4/2022, 10:28 AM
@RokoVII - it would be interesting if it did indeed stall though. Similar to his hesitation after zipping up his wingsuit. Further emphasize that he's still new to this
DeaconFrostBite
DeaconFrostBite - 3/4/2022, 12:58 PM
@RokoVII - I thought the exact same thing when I saw it haha. But now I think he was egging Oz on… Though I probably have to see it again to be sure.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 3/4/2022, 9:44 AM
I liked it but I just didn't love it. I’d give it a solid 7.

Things I liked
R Patz was a good Batman and actually seeing him scared before his leap of the GCPD was showing some nice vulnerability.
Colin Farell, Paul Dano and Jeffery Wright also were really good.
The cinematography, the sound design and the score were all beautiful.
That car chase was sick!

Things I liked a little less:
R Patz as Bruce. I get he’s meant to be moody, but it was just a bit too much…Turning up to the club as Bruce all grunged out before confronting Falcone? I even heard a couple people laugh out loud, I don’t think it was meant to be intentionally funny.
The Bat suit. I’m just not fully sold on it still, the collar, the cowl but again I understand the design choices.
I was surprised I didn’t love Zoe Kravitz as Selina; she was just fine but she just didn’t do it for me, in the end and I actually preferred Hathaway’s version. Zoe had the moves down though, that walk was sexy, but maybe it’s just how she was written.
Keoghan character tease was a little forced. He’s a good actor, but not sure I buy him as who they’re meant to be teasing. I wonder how all the purist feel about an Irish Joker though! He seemed to be speaking in his natural accent.

I definitely felt the runtime though. I feel the story they told in the way that they did would have been much better digested as a mini-series. I’d imagine I’d still binge it in one go but I’m sure I would have appreciated it more in that format, as the film definitely felt episodical.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 3/4/2022, 9:48 AM
@UniqNo - I enjoyed the film but there were times where I felt the runtime and I thought “this feels like a mini series”

And then you hear about the number of spin-off shows this is getting and I wonder if they ever considered this as an hbo series. Knowing WB they know Batman cinematically means $$$, so no
Origame
Origame - 3/4/2022, 9:54 AM
@UniqNo - I'm sorry I'm just not seeing the logic of wanting it as a miniseries if you would still watch it in one go. Is it not paced properly and would benefit by more time?
Conquistador
Conquistador - 3/4/2022, 9:55 AM
@BlackBeltJones - Yeah, they'll definilty keep Batman in theatres, but no I didn't say "This feels like a mini series" But there were a few times where it broke off an told another story for about 30 minutes or so before it picked up again. And if it was in that format some of the dialogue heavy scenes would had breathed more and same for the action.

Whats your thoughts on it?
Conquistador
Conquistador - 3/4/2022, 9:57 AM
@Origame - I often binge, is what I mean, so I probably would have watched it all in a day regardless, especially as a fan. But it definilty felt slower in parts and then episodical.

what were your thoughts?
GhostDog
GhostDog - 3/4/2022, 9:58 AM
@UniqNo - But there were a few times where it broke off an told another story for about 30 minutes or so before it picked up again.

Agreed on this. And when they did this I was like “this feels kind of mini series like and I would love this as a show.” There was an episodical vibe to this movie for sure
Conquistador
Conquistador - 3/4/2022, 10:05 AM
@BlackBeltJones - Ah I misread your last comment, but yeah. It was good though. It Just didn't leave me feeling the same excitement as I had when I saw Keaton in Batman Returns as a kid or Nolans Begins after the dismal Batman and Robin. It sure was beautiful though.
UnderBelly
UnderBelly - 3/4/2022, 10:07 AM
@UniqNo - An Irish Joker sounds Awesome! Only if we get to see him kill a character played by Mark Hamill. that would be poetic
Conquistador
Conquistador - 3/4/2022, 10:14 AM
@UnderBelly - Haha Not sure how I'd feel about that, but Hamills voice work has always been the best iteration as far as voice work goes.
Origame
Origame - 3/4/2022, 10:17 AM
@UniqNo - oh I didn't see it yet. I can tell by the trailers though that it's meant to be slower paced due to being more of a noir detective story.

Idk, just thought it was a weird thought since you'd still feel the length if it was a series instead since you wouldn't watch it over a few weeks or days but all at once. I just don't get how it would help your complaint on the subject.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 3/4/2022, 10:23 AM
@Origame - Oh ok.

I felt like it started and stopped a few times like a series would as you go with each episode. I'm not sure if pacing was the problem, but some times the dialogue was heavy and it would come after another dialogue heavy scene, where as in a series it would have the time to breathe I guess instead of wait and anticipation for the pace to pick up.

If I watched it as a series with more control over the play/pause fwd/rwd I think I would probably have appreciated it more and more willing to re watch it quite soon afterwards.

I liked the film, but it's definilty one I'm only going to see once in cinema till it hits the web.

Again though, it's really beautifully made.

Let me know what you think once you've seen it.
soberchimera
soberchimera - 3/4/2022, 10:27 AM
@UniqNo - I'd definitely give the film an 8.5 out of 10 just for the acting, cinematography, and Reeves' direction, however I had a few issues with the story that made me deduct points.

1. I never really feel that Batman prevented any of Riddler's crimes or outsmarted him. Basically Riddler kills someone, leaves a riddle, Batman solves it, but Riddler has already captured or killed his next target. Yeah, Batman prevented some deaths at the convention center at the end, but that was only one building, I'm sure hundreds of people elsewhere in the city were killed by the flood.

2. Riddler's motivations especially at the end. I thought for sure while watching the movie that Riddler was the son of the journalist Carmine Falcone killed at the behest of Thomas Wayne and that's why he became an orphan and started to kill politicians involved with the Falcone conspiracy, but nope he was just a random orphan who just didn't like corruption. Also, his motivation for flooding the city and killing everyone didn't seem logical since Riddler saw himself as vigilante taking out corrupt city officials and his flood plan just seemed to come out of nowhere because the movie needed the main villain to do something evil (similar to Safin in No Time to Die who was going to unleash the virus on the world after he took out Spectre just because.....).

3. No differentiation between Batman and Bruce Wayne. Robert Pattinson is playing the exact same moody character whenever the mask is on or off. Yeah, he might have deepened his voice a bit when he's Batman, but he did very little to alter his personality when he was Bruce Wayne like Christian Bale did. Still enjoyed Pattison's performance as Batman and like that he was Bats 70% of the movie.

4. Riddler wasn't there for final battle and there wasn't a satisfactory showdown between the two.

5. Joker again? Really? This soon?

This might make it seem like I hated the movie, but these were all minor issues I had for an overall terrific film.
UnderBelly
UnderBelly - 3/4/2022, 10:35 AM
@soberchimera - Joker too soon for sure.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 3/4/2022, 10:37 AM
@soberchimera - I thought Riddler was cool. His goons at the end was weird though.

Yeah, Bruce's moodiness was a bit much at times, but his Batman was on point, and quite liked his narration.

Joker should remain in the background if he's sticking around. let's give him a rest. literally.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 3/4/2022, 12:07 PM
@UniqNo - Lost me at Selina/Hathaway
Conquistador
Conquistador - 3/4/2022, 12:15 PM
@McMurdo - Lol, gotta be honest though. I suppose with Hathaway it was more of a suprise, and with Zoe I was let down, as I was expecting a bit more. She was just fine though. Maybe on a second viewing I'll appreciate her more.
cocaegelo
cocaegelo - 3/4/2022, 12:45 PM
@soberchimera - I felt the same as you. Reeves talked so much about "how his Batman is a detective" and the critics were so crazy about "a batman detective" that I supposed that THIS Batman was a GOOD detective but he was almost like a character from "Saw" or David Mills in "Seven". He never got the Riddler's plan, did not save anybody and in the end he just found the "big picture" when the Riddler explained and said what he should do. In the end I never felt this Batman was "the world's best detective" and not even that he was a good detective, he's the "standard thriller detective" we saw in a lot of movies post-Se7en but with a Gimp-bat uniform.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 3/4/2022, 1:45 PM
@BlackBeltJones - The problem with those spin-off shows for me is that I already feel like the movie already laid out the city's corruption and underworld well enough. I want to see more of this Batman interacting with it. Maybe they can use stunt guys and off-screen gimmicks to still have Batman "appear", even pivotally, in the shows. But what I really want is more time with this Batman, not Gordon and sure as hell not Penguin.

A lot of what Pattinson and Reeves were doing with the character was interesting, but it felt... I don't know, like someone chopped up a season of Daredevil down to the 2 best Daredevil-heavy hours and then splurged on some stunts. It's overall a good enough experience, but it already feels like Batman is receding in this universe to make room for other characters to provide context and exposition.

Like we already got the 2 hours of Daredevil action, and now we're supposed to watch the 10 hours of Claire, Karen, and Ben Urich that padded the episodes out as a separate series.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 3/4/2022, 2:04 PM
@Spock0Clock - I see what you mean. While watching this I thought to myself this would be a great tv show. There were some considerable Daredevil vibes.

I’m totally with you. While I found Penguin interesting and I can see why they would want a show built around him after seeing the movie, I was never too into the idea of giving him or the GCPD shows. Sure, we all like Gotham Central but after years of shows about Batman’s world without him actually being in it, it’s high time we see Batman in a show that’s centered around crime in Gotham. If you’re gonna focus on the criminal element in Gotham City, especially after this movie, you want to see Batman engaging and countering it; his role within it.

This is as compelling as Batman has ever been on the big screen imo so I don’t want to see this property without him. I’ll watch the spin-offs sure, the world is intriguing and I like being in it but it’ll just make you want to see Bats in the center of those shows even more.

“ Like we already got the 2 hours of Daredevil action, and now we're supposed to watch the 10 hours of Claire, Karen, and Ben Urich that padded the episodes out as a separate series.”

Well when ya put it like that lol. I’ll stick up for those spin-offs in that Penguin and the GCPD have a little more meat to them but GCPD without Batman is at its best “high end police procedural” which I can get in other shows.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 3/4/2022, 9:45 AM
Joker reveal felt like a fake scene. Missed the intrigue and utter cool of how he was teased in Begins.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 3/4/2022, 10:26 AM
@BlackBeltJones -


I cringed at the laugh😐....



The sequence felt forced and fan fictiony?



Did not like🥲
GhostDog
GhostDog - 3/4/2022, 10:33 AM
@AmazingFILMporg - I truly believe WB asked to have it added because it felt so out of place. If not, I can't say I'm intrigued with what Reeves will do with him.

Yup felt very fan-fiction like. The laugh was rough.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 3/4/2022, 10:39 AM
@BlackBeltJones -

Yup, felt like a mandate. If they trap batman in Arkham for the second film or third it can work? Idk but they need to rework his laugh and presence 😕
BestAtWhatIDo
BestAtWhatIDo - 3/4/2022, 9:48 AM
So I guess we do see him more clearly in that earlier scene? I hope they release it online soon, dying to know exactly what he looks like; I really couldn't see much watching it at the fan screening.
UnderBelly
UnderBelly - 3/4/2022, 10:10 AM
@BestAtWhatIDo - I heard a few people say turn up the brightness a few times through my viewing.lol.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 3/4/2022, 10:19 AM
@UnderBelly - yea there were times I couldn’t see shit lol
UnderBelly
UnderBelly - 3/4/2022, 10:30 AM
@BlackBeltJones - Haha, looking back the movie really didn't take place in the day time did it. it was barely dusk and barely dawn for any scenes with 'natural light'
BestAtWhatIDo
BestAtWhatIDo - 3/4/2022, 12:15 PM
@UnderBelly - Outside the Mayor's funeral was I think the only seen in full daylight.
Chuck420Taylor
Chuck420Taylor - 3/4/2022, 10:35 AM
With this not being an origin story I would be open to a sequel not being a continuation. We got a tease we didn't need, let the sequel flourish without joker or riddler and return to that story in the third movie.
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