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tmp3
tmp3 - 11/12/2020, 2:13 AM
Keep dreaming
GothamSon
GothamSon - 11/12/2020, 2:18 AM
Make it stop, please make it stop
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 11/12/2020, 2:21 AM
Imagine living in a world where someone gives you 300 million dollars to make a Batman vs. Superman movie, and you heavily mine the Dark Knight Returns for inspiration and it underperforms at the box office... and you still think someone should give you another 300 million dollars to make it again, but more slavish to the original next time.

He got his chance to wring all he could out of that material in his movie and he spent all of that time on bullet forensics and wheelchair bomb conspiracies that added nothing to the plot.

Whoever tweeted that, they're right. Snyder does need to read another damn comic.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 11/12/2020, 2:34 AM
Let me put a finer point on it: Snyder is not a writer. That's important, and I recognize it. But Batman vs. Superman was probably the most direct control he's ever had on the plotting on any of his superhero projects (aside from maybe what he's doing now / pitching as the jumping off point for a DCEU 2.0).

I get that he got a script from Goyer and then tried to tweak it along the way (ever closer to TDKR, I assume). I get that even then he probably had a pretty nebulous idea of what he was making, as opposed to the projects like 300 or Watchmen where all of this was on the page already for him to crib.

But just... be a [frick]ing creative, man. You don't have to do the exact thing that's on the page in order to do it justice. You whiffed your shot at the Dark Knight Returns (and probably nobody will be trying to touch it in live-action for a good long while). Let it lie.
dracula
dracula - 11/12/2020, 2:42 AM
@Spock0Clock - Seriously why did DC give him Superman, Watchmen was a complete failure, so was Sucker Punch.
MUTO123
MUTO123 - 11/12/2020, 2:25 AM
dracula
dracula - 11/12/2020, 2:38 AM
Hell no, you got your stupid cut, you are lucky you got that. I'd proffer they just focus on Battinson, he deserves the same fare shot that every batman actor gets, but if there is going to be any batman project connected to the DCEU, then it should be Ben Affleck's version of The Batman.
dracula
dracula - 11/12/2020, 2:39 AM
No need for it would probably be another panel for panel recreation, while missing the point like he did with watchmen. Plus we already have a panel for panel adaption
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/12/2020, 4:16 AM
@dracula - How did he miss the point of Watchmen?
dracula
dracula - 11/12/2020, 4:33 AM
@CorndogBurglar - Problem is the execution, he did everything to make the Watchmen cool, yeah they are not suppose to be cool. Gave them cooler costumes and graphic action scenes. basically he glorifies everything the book is mocking.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/12/2020, 5:51 AM
@dracula - But see, that isn't what he was doing and a lot of people don't get that. Yeah, the book was a deconstruction of the comic book industry back then and was basically mocking that.

But the movie was doing the same thing, except instead of deconstructing comics, it was deconstructing superhero movies that came before. Because its a different medium. Thats why they are all over-stylized and cool looking in the movie. Thats why he put nipples on Ozy's suit. Thats why he made Night Owl look badass instead of a dumpy, overweight guy. Thats why their costumes were all rubber suits like pretty much every Batman movie before it.

If you watch the movie knowing that, then you'll notice a lot more.

I'm not a big Snyder fan by any means, but I like to think I'm fair. I recognize that he's made really bad movies, but that he's also made some really good ones. 300, Dawn of the Dead, and Watchmen being those.
JoeInTheBox
JoeInTheBox - 11/12/2020, 6:51 AM
@CorndogBurglar - I really have nothing against Snyder. I like Dawn of the Dead, 300 and Watchmen. I just don't see eye-to-eye with his tastes and preferences. I always go back this quote of his while he was promoting Watchmen, as to why:

"You could call it "high-brow" comics, but to me, that comic book was just pretty sexy! I had a buddy who tried getting me into "normal" comic books, but I was all like, "No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me." I was a little broken, that way. So when Watchmen came along, I was, "This is more my scene."
Vanillain
Vanillain - 11/12/2020, 9:02 AM
@CorndogBurglar - "it was deconstructing superhero movies that came before. Because its a different medium. Thats why they are all over-stylized and cool looking in the movie."

Uhmmm. That... doesn't really deconstruct anything. It's exactly these stylistic decisions, paired with the whole direction, that not only fails to deconstruct the genre but does the exact opposite: continues to over glorify these heroes.
InfinitePunches
InfinitePunches - 11/12/2020, 2:43 AM
Maddening this man.
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 11/12/2020, 2:47 AM
You had your chance and


On a side note, the most highly rated works will almost always be accused of being overrated, but Frank's Batman (and his Daredevil/Elektra) are some of the most re-read books in my entire collection. Dark Knight Returns and Year One I read routinely.

I also gotta give props to how indelicate he has been about Dark Knight when sequelling it. Last years DKR one-shot, The Golden Child, for instance couldn't be more different. Batman is young again and fighting with the Justice League (who are also young again) and the Joker is alive again. He's not precious about it.
That one-shot is also very re-readable. I've read it a handful of times already, in less than a year.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 11/12/2020, 2:58 AM
tmp3
tmp3 - 11/12/2020, 3:25 AM
@Kumkani - *HBO Max. The guys who green-lit the cut got fired and replaced by HBO’s guys, but I guess AT&T still believe in the sunk cost fallacy and are still powering on with this shit
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 11/12/2020, 3:05 AM
😂
Zack Snyder be like:
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 11/12/2020, 3:11 AM
@99OPTIMISTPRIME - Like a picture that doesn't show?

Oh dang, that's actually really fitting.
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 11/12/2020, 4:08 AM
@GwenLantern - I posted a gif. Apparently it didn't work. Oh well.
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