JUSTICE LEAGUE Director Zack Snyder Reveals Why He Set Out To Avoid "Pure Propaganda" Of Superman And Batman

JUSTICE LEAGUE Director Zack Snyder Reveals Why He Set Out To Avoid "Pure Propaganda" Of Superman And Batman

Justice League director Zack Snyder has elaborated on his approach to Batman and Superman on screen, explaining why he didn't approach either character as "pure propaganda." Find more details here...

By JoshWilding - Dec 04, 2023 05:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman vs. Superman
Source: The Hollywood Reporter

At this point, we don't need to remind you about the whole "Snyderverse" saga. Going back a little further, though, and long before Justice League became a reality, Zack Snyder was busy putting a new spin on Superman in Man of Steel

In the 2013 reboot, Clark Kent became a superhero quite a bit later than his comic book counterpart and defeated the villainous General Zod by snapping his neck. That came mere moments after their battle in Metropolis laid waste to the city and killed thousands. 

The filmmaker picked up on that in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, sending a vengeful Caped Crusader on a mission to kill Earth's resident alien. Along the way, we also watched as Batman appeared to murder the criminals he crossed paths with. 

Much of this is what's made Snyder such a divisive figure among comic book fans. Talking to The Hollywood Reporter, he explained why he approached these iconic DC characters in such an unconventional way. 

"How could I look at Superman, Batman with a straight face and just say 'Here he is, enjoy,'" he says. "I love the characters, I’m not saying I wanted to break them or make them less than they are. But I’m also not going to hand them over like a piece of pure propaganda that said Superman is awesome or that Batman has an unbreakable moral code."

And, for many, therein lies the problem. 

Someone who does remain a fan of Snyder's DC work is The Dark Knight Trilogy director Christopher Nolan. Asked by the trade what his favourite scene from one of Snyder's movies is, he said, "The moment in Man of Steel where Kevin Costner tells young Clark that whatever his origin, he’s still his son puts a lump in my throat every time. Zack is best known for his facility with iconic image-making, but his casting instincts are second to none."

Man of Steel was a modern retelling of Superman's origin story. The movie explores his journey from the alien planet Krypton to becoming Earth's saviour, delving into Superman's struggle with identity and acceptance by humanity.

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, meanwhile, introduces Ben Affleck as Batman and explores the clash between Batman and Superman, both grappling with their place in a world that questions the necessity of such powerful beings. Lex Luthor manipulates events to pit them against each other, leading to an epic showdown, setting the stage for Justice League while exploring themes of power, accountability, and the consequences of heroism.

Do you think Snyder's approach to these two characters was the right one?

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John75
John75 - 12/4/2023, 5:45 AM
A scene lifted straight out of Geoff Johns Secret Origins miniseries. Too bad the hack couldn’t have taken more from that series.
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 12/4/2023, 5:51 AM
🤣🤣 this guy, the definition of wrong and strong.

I liked his movies as elseworld characters but for the mainline DCEU he should have stuck to the characters morals. Having batman kill created more wtf moments than they solved.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/4/2023, 6:10 AM
@AquaClunge - Think he'd be any good with an elseworlds Kingdom Come?
BraveNewClunge
BraveNewClunge - 12/4/2023, 7:38 AM
@lazlodaytona - he might be if they limit his creative freedom with the script. When zack is involved with the story ideas/ script that's when we run into issues lol. He would have killed it with flashpoint as he could take liberties with Thomas wayne etc. MOS & TSC are his best DC movies as he didn't have complete control of the story imo
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/4/2023, 8:23 AM
@AquaClunge - Plus, casting Jeffrey Dean Morgan again. You know he can pull off a gun-toting lunatic.
IronMaiden33
IronMaiden33 - 12/4/2023, 6:19 PM
@lazlodaytona - Kingdom Come is a terrible choice for Snyder even if he did do good movies. It just doesent fit his tone whatsoever. Kingdom come may seem dark but its pretty optismitic, and he wouldn't adapt the silver age aesthetic well
Conquistador
Conquistador - 12/4/2023, 6:00 AM
He loved Batman more than Superman, and that was the problem.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/4/2023, 6:09 AM
@UniqNo - Yeah, that was obvious. I guess since he did Owl-Man in the Watchmen he thought he could do the same with Batman ... I mean, you know. Adding all the murder and stuff To Bats. .
Conquistador
Conquistador - 12/4/2023, 6:31 AM
@lazlodaytona - I didn't mind his Batman killing those goons TBH. As Cavill himself stated on BvS, i thought it was a good Batman movie, but he just forgot about any kind of character development for Superman/Clark, aside from getting killed.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/4/2023, 6:36 AM
@UniqNo - Shoot, all the Burton bat films, which are regarded highly by many, has Batman moving guys down with his car's machine guns and he kills every thug up the cathedral to get to joker.
Bale even killed Ras al Goul by letting him stay on the train as he knew it was going to derail.
Demigods
Demigods - 12/4/2023, 6:05 AM
I actually do believe Snyder, for the most part, has made some of the best casting choices in recent history (a few VERY notable exceptions, obviously *ahem* *Miller* *Cough*)

But so much of his casting choices were spot on. I'd have loved to see more of the Daily Planet in Batman V Superman, but that movie was already stuffed to the gills. His Jonathon and Martha were great. The Daily Planet staff was incredible. Cavill is superman. Gadot was a choice I initially didn't like, but she was perfect as Wonder Woman. Affleck was another I wasn't too keen on, but loved the way he did Bruce/Batman. Mamoa's Aquaman turned into something fantastic all on its own. So, I think Nolan is onto something. Even Amy Adams. I wasn't sold on her, quite simply because, while still pretty, she didn't have that Lois Lane shine to her... BUT it was a different (and more realistic IMO take on her that I ended up really enjoying. It would make sense that Superman fell for someone who's beautiful, but in more of a girl-next-door kind of way, who also happens to be tenacious and have a heart of gold. Zack's casting was pretty incredible.

Except Ezra Miller. [frick] that guy. That was so so bad.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/4/2023, 6:06 AM
Man of Steel was above average, ZSJL was amazing. Batman v Superman? What a dumpster fire that is burning dog sh1t, asparagus, my gym shorts I haven't washed in a month, and garlic butter.

Oh what should have been. I mean, the TWO most iconic characters of any comic company are in the same film together. How do you f#ck that up?!
Armpitwebs
Armpitwebs - 12/4/2023, 6:13 AM
For me, the MoS changes to the Super Man origin & mythos were ridiculous and waaay more off target/bothersome than the idea of Batman killing bad guys.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/4/2023, 7:02 AM
@Armpitwebs - I understand your take but I just rolled with it. What tanked almost the whole film was Supes straight-up snapping Zod's neck. Superman DOES NOT kill. You could say he let Zod and his buddy's fall down some mysterious pits in the fortress, and smashing Zod's hand was just too perfect to me but it is brutal, but it was easier to take because we really have no idea if they splatted or end up somewhere else.
John75
John75 - 12/4/2023, 6:24 AM
The other problem with Batman killing, other than the obvious, is if he’s capable of it why is someone like the Joker still alive.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/4/2023, 7:04 AM
@John75 - because
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 12/4/2023, 9:29 AM
@John75 - Perhaps it's because he didn't kill Joker and Joker eventually killed Robin that Batman then became murderous.
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 12/4/2023, 11:25 AM
@John75 -
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 12/4/2023, 1:54 PM
@John75 - Well since it's been denied time and time again so likely isn't true but then again that military dude turned out to be Martian man hunter because fans thought so so who knows if Zack just didn't wanna give it away, that original rumour of Leto being a robin turned Joker would have explained why this Joker is still around even after Bruce had crossed the line.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 12/4/2023, 6:29 AM
Mf you put them in sculpted muscle suits with a straight face tho 😂
GhostDog
GhostDog - 12/4/2023, 6:42 AM
You would never know that he loved Superman by watching these films
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/4/2023, 7:14 AM
@GhostDog - Agreed. Man of Steel first introduced Superman to world, in his suit, was him being arrested by the government. Why do people still cling to Donner's version so much? It's because Supes was first introduced to the world but saving Lois, the helicopter pilot, and the people below from getting squashed by the copter. Then, he went on saving spree for the next 20 minutes.

BvS let Clark/Superman have hardly any lines in the film. Then kills him way too early. And in his very long Justice League, Supes was in like the last 1/6th of the film. Plus, Superman is supposed to gather the League, not Batman. He's usually just part time. Yeesh.

Now I'm all pissed off!
Ginley
Ginley - 12/4/2023, 6:57 AM
"I’m also not going to hand them over like a piece of pure propaganda that said Superman is awesome"

Jesus.
Ginley
Ginley - 12/4/2023, 6:58 AM
@Ginley -

"Jesus"

That's what Snyder said.
JobinJ
JobinJ - 12/4/2023, 6:58 AM
I loved BvS. Great film. Fight me.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 12/4/2023, 7:10 AM
@JobinJ -

No one wants to fight a "special" person. We wish you a merry X-mas.



HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 12/4/2023, 12:29 PM
@DocSpock -


Oh my gosh 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
thobie1
thobie1 - 12/4/2023, 3:43 PM
@JobinJ - the Ultimate Edition did fix some stuff.
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