BLACK WIDOW Star Ray Winstone Says All His Scenes Were Reshot; Originally Portrayed Dreykov As A Pedophile

BLACK WIDOW Star Ray Winstone Says All His Scenes Were Reshot; Originally Portrayed Dreykov As A Pedophile

Black Widow star Ray Winstone has revealed that all of his scenes in the 2021 movie were filmed during reshoots, and explains that Dreykov was originally "a pedophile running around all these girls."

By JoshWilding - Aug 19, 2025 09:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Black Widow
Source: Variety

Ray Winstone played villainous Red Room overseer, Dreykov, in 2021's Black Widow. While he was far from the MCU's most memorable baddie, the actor had some decent material to sink his teeth into and appeared in some hard-hitting scenes alongside Scarlett Johansson. 

However, it seems that those paled in comparison to whatever he filmed before studio-mandated reshoots. The actor has previously described that experience as "soul-destroying," and elaborated on his issues with Black Widow while appearing at the Sarajevo Film Festival.

"It’s all about selling tickets," Winstone started, sharing his assessment of the current state of Hollywood. "We see what’s happening in Hollywood with Marvel and all that kind of stuff. There is room for it, and it’s fun, but it takes away from getting cultural films made, which are best for the actors, [and] are really good acting parts."

"It’s getting more and more difficult to do that," he continued. "If you’re not on social media now, they might not even consider you for a movie because they want a fanbase to come with that."

Elaborating on his Marvel Studios experience, Winstone said, "I worked with this amazing director, Cate Shortland, and we worked on what my character was going to be. He was like a pedophile running around all these girls, and they’d become Black Widows. We used to get applauded on set. It was probably the best thing I’ve done for a really long time."

He added, "Then I come home after finishing the job and get a call saying we need to do some reshoots. I say: how many scenes? [Cate] says 'all of them.' So I said she should recast [the role], but I was contracted, so I had to do it. I go back, they do my hair all nice, put me in the suit, and I couldn’t do it. I’d already done it."

"I thought, 'I’m not doing it now. I’ve done it. That’s how it’s going to be,'" Winstone admitted. "That’s rejection, you know? There’s nothing worse than doing something, leaving it on the floor, and then being told it’s not right."

It's not hard to see why that was a demoralising experience for the actor, and Black Widow ended up being something of a mixed bag. It's Certified Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes with 79%, but a pandemic release meant it made only $379.8 million at the worldwide box office.

How high it would have gone in normal times is hard to say, though $1 billion blockbusters came easily for Marvel Studios at the time. Black Widow was also released on Disney+'s short-lived Premier Access service, and the revenue earned from that led Johansson to sue the House of Mouse for what she missed out on from box office revenue. 

Winstone's Dreykov was killed off in Black Widow, while his character's daughter, Taskmaster, took a bullet to the head after just a couple of scenes in the past May's Thunderbolts*.

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Lisa89
Lisa89 - 8/19/2025, 9:23 AM
Alex, I’ll take “Things That Go Trump In The Night” for 400.
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 8/19/2025, 9:24 AM
That's a raw deal.
SuperCat
SuperCat - 8/19/2025, 9:25 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Nomis929
Nomis929 - 8/19/2025, 9:58 AM
@SuperCat -

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Sinner
Sinner - 8/19/2025, 9:26 AM
They made a darker movie more on theme for Black Widow and Marvel took an axe to it. After Deadpool and Wolverine’s success, I feel like they would’ve approached this differently. All that being said, it was still enjoyable for what it was
thedrudo
thedrudo - 8/19/2025, 11:09 AM
@Sinner - agreed. I’m always in the camp where I assume I’m in the minority in really digging Black Widow.

Love the addition of Yelena to the MCU too but I’m a big Pugh fan.
ReverseFlasher
ReverseFlasher - 8/19/2025, 9:29 AM
Always loved him as an actor, and he was very good in Black Widow with what he was given/forced to do. I’m sure the first version of his character woulda been a really great marvel villain.
Vigor
Vigor - 8/19/2025, 9:34 AM
Even tho they watered him down, he really was one of the most despicable villains mcu has ever had
AgentofSH1ELD
AgentofSH1ELD - 8/19/2025, 10:25 AM
@Vigor - They need to stop killing people so they can come back in meaningful ways..
HelloBoysImBack
HelloBoysImBack - 8/19/2025, 9:38 AM
So many bad things about this film
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 8/19/2025, 9:42 AM
Black Widow film would’ve done well if it came out before infinity war and before pandemic.
I thought it was decent for a phase 1 or 2 film.
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 8/19/2025, 9:43 AM
There's an "Epstein list" joke here, but I'm staying as far away from that as I can ...

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ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 8/19/2025, 9:59 AM
@Nomis929 - Lisa89 didn't even hesitate.
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 8/19/2025, 10:07 AM
@ObserverIO - LOL!Yeah... saw that.

I'm getting more cautious in my old age.
GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 8/19/2025, 9:50 AM
"Taskmaster, took a bullet to the head after just a couple of scenes in the past May's Thunderbolts*."

Best part of that movie.
WeaponXCII
WeaponXCII - 8/19/2025, 9:53 AM
Would have made an (in my opinion) already great villain even better if Marvel had the courage to actually go there.
F4ntasticClunge
F4ntasticClunge - 8/19/2025, 9:55 AM
Ooh that's wild and tragic.

His accent was absolutely terrible.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/19/2025, 9:57 AM
I certainly can understand that frustration especially if he felt he did those scenes pretty well and was happy with it atleast compared to the reshot material.

Even without the pedophilia angle (which may have been unnecessary I feel) , Dreykov was still a rather despicable character though…

A ruthless sociopath with a misogynistic streak and a fragile ego which I still felt Winstone portrayed well tbh in a movie that I enjoyed overall!!.

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WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 8/19/2025, 10:04 AM
But this was kept.

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WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 8/19/2025, 10:04 AM
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DudeGuy
DudeGuy - 8/19/2025, 10:24 AM
I don’t remember a thing about this movie.
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 8/19/2025, 10:26 AM
@DudeGuy - I think I remember Nat breaking her own nose but that's about it. Such a forgettable film
newhire13
newhire13 - 8/19/2025, 10:34 AM
Damn. You get him in a Marvel movie, he’s initially proud of it and excited about what they did and then you rip his heart out. Ugh, come on Marvel! These stories aren’t helping anything! Imagine if you stuck to the plan. Then he’s talking about how great an experience it was as an actor and how it’s more than what he thought it was. Then people are talking about how you guys made a movie that truly pushed the envelope and brought on serious discussion. Now it just looks like a bait and switch situation and further backs the claim that you guys aren’t respecting your artists and their time.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/19/2025, 10:40 AM
@newhire13 - I get ya but to be fair , I’m sure no studio wants to spend extra money to reshoot if this wasn’t part of the planned ones Marvel does anyway so there must have been something off about it to them to change it whether it was the pedophilia angle or not.
SATW42
SATW42 - 8/19/2025, 10:45 AM
It's admittedly been a while, but weren't there undertones that he was abusing these young girls? I remember getting that vibe, so maybe some of it was left in?

Anyway, I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, I feel for the actor feeling he had already done the job and him putting himself into the art.

On the other hand, you, or the people you entrust, read the contract you signed off on. My annoyance radar always goes off when an actor complains about a contract that they willingly signed and try to act like it's the studios fault.

Instead of blaming the studio, blame your representation that didn't have your artistic integrity in mind when they cashed their percentage check.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/19/2025, 11:18 AM
@SATW42 - There was 100% still heavy undertones of abusing young girls but it is a tricky area to delve into the shifting social reactions to fictional depictions of such subject matters so a shame they switched from an Epstein type to a Tate brothers type one.

However for the broad appeal for BO to cover costs etc I can kinda get there may have been something when reviewing footage and/or what may have been going on in the whole culture war type stuff that made the suits feel it wouldn't work as was.

It likely doesn't help that there was a bunch of films being released with abuse of women and girls around that timeframe including a few with Black Widow like Russian female spies non of which did that well at the BO far as I recall.

Anyway, was a decent enough film that would have likely been better if they hadn't changed Ray's character, cos the mysogynistic stuff is even tougher to make work than paedophilic type characters and don't realy get why the film gets as much hate as it oft does here. Sure, was released too late and wasn't a top 10 MCU but easily around average for an MCU movie at that point at a time when BAD MCU movies still tended to be better than most any other CBM releases (outside of one or two like Thor Dark world).
SATW42
SATW42 - 8/19/2025, 10:51 AM
Almost no actor blames their representation, because it's easier to make a villain out of the big bad studio instead of the people who negotiated the contract you aren't happy with.

That's why it was refreshing, to me, when the News around Jordan peele firing his representation after he didn't get Weapons made headlines. Hold THOSE people accountable for not doing their job.
OrgasmicPotatoe
OrgasmicPotatoe - 8/19/2025, 11:04 AM
They need to stick to their guns a bit more. It seems everytime a movie has major reshoots, it ends up suffering for it. Makes you wonder if the reshoots really are that necessary. Maybe they shouldn't put as much stock as they do into social media influencer test audiences and just go with their initial takes.
LenSpiderman
LenSpiderman - 8/19/2025, 11:17 AM
There’s so many movies that do what black widow wouldn’t or couldn’t. Right in the same time frame, red sparrow was absolutely the movie black widow could never be but should have been, and atomik blonde was the compromise black widow could have made, but didn’t. Hannah, the professional, kill bill, or if you don’t consider the gender of the lead, you could have drawn inspiration from any of the Bourne movies, the Italian job, ronin. Maybe they did and it just got so watered down it wasn’t apparent.

Black widow wasn’t such a bad movie but boy any potential it had was not fulfilled. It just felt half baked and half finished, and half assed. I’m not bothered that I watched it, but a repeat watch of any of the other movies and shows I mentioned would have been preferable.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 8/19/2025, 11:25 AM
@LenSpiderman - Literaly just mentioned all the other films around that time without naming them, some of them great but can't recall any of them doing well at the BO which may have been what SPOOKed them for their Spy drama. A lower budget, far darker R rated spy drama is what the character deserved but unfortunately was never likely to be what they went with. Finding a good enough middle ground with broad enough appeal for the BO the suits expected/wanted is never an easy thing the nail down well and feel overall they did well enough even if should have been far better if they hadn't played it as safe.

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