BLACK WIDOW: Writer Of Scrapped 2004 Movie Reveals His Plans For An Awesome "Needle-Drop" Moment

BLACK WIDOW: Writer Of Scrapped 2004 Movie Reveals His Plans For An Awesome "Needle-Drop" Moment

A Black Widow movie was in the works long before Marvel Studios put the spotlight on Natasha Romanoff, and filmmaker David Hayter has revealed his plans for a "needle-drop" moment in the scrapped project.

By JoshWilding - Dec 29, 2023 04:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Black Widow

Marvel spent years trying to get a Black Widow movie off the ground and, way back in 2004, filmmaker David Hayter penned a screenplay for a solo project revolving around Natasha Romanoff. 

Hayter, who is the voice of Solid Snake in the Metal Gear Solid franchise, is known for writing movies like X-Men, X2, and Watchmen, and stepped behind the camera to helm Wolves in 2014. Now, he's revealed a "needle drop" moment he had planned for his Black Widow project. 

Unfortunately for the movie, it was being developed at a time when Elektra and Catwoman bombed and left Hollywood executives convinced that female-led superhero adaptations couldn't work. That attitude didn't change until Wonder Woman was released in 2017. 

As for Natasha, she made her MCU debut in 2010's Iron Man 2 and later headlined her own spin-off during the pandemic. 

Back in 2011, Hayter said this about what he had planned for Black Widow and the "painful" truth of why it didn't happen. 

"What I tried to do was use the backdrop of the splintered Soviet Empire - a lawless insane asylum with four hundred some odd nuclear missile silos.  It was all about loose nukes, and I felt it was very timely and very cool. Unfortunately, as I was coming up on the final draft, a number of female vigilante movies came out.  We had Tomb Raider and Kill Bill, which were the ones that worked, but then we had BloodRayne and Ultraviolet and Aeon Flux."

"Aeon Flux didn’t open well, and three days after it opened, the studio said, 'We don’t think it’s time to do this movie.' I accepted their logic in terms of the saturation of the marketplace, but it was pretty painful. I had not only invested a lot of time in that movie, but I had also named my daughter, who was born in that time period Natasha - after the lead character in Black Widow. I named my daughter after a movie that I wasn’t working on anymore."

It was probably for the best that this project fell apart as it's unlikely Marvel Studios would have been able to utilise the character in its movies had the character's film rights been tied up with another studio. 

There are many comic book adaptations which fell apart in the early-to-mid 2000s and Black Widow is simply one of many. It's a project Hayter was clearly passionate about, anyway, and we can't help but think it might have been pretty good!

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bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 12/29/2023, 4:58 AM
"Elektra and Catwoman bombed and left Hollywood executives convinced that female-led superhero adaptations couldn't work"

I'm sure it was the female lead, and not just the abysmal writing that was the reason why it didn't work.
Fogs
Fogs - 12/29/2023, 5:13 AM
@bkmeijer1 - I know, right? Cause we never had female-led good films in the history of the world before.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 12/29/2023, 5:15 AM
For some reason I remember this being a David Goyer project. I'm getting my Davids mixed up.
Cass
Cass - 12/29/2023, 6:19 AM
The voice of Solid Snake and the writer of X-men and X2. He could do nothing else and that would be an absolutely legendary career.
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 12/29/2023, 7:17 AM
They should've gotten him back for MCU's Black Widow and make it the MGS inspired film it should've been.
HammerLegFoot
HammerLegFoot - 12/29/2023, 9:04 AM
What does needle drop tom sawyer mean?
mountainman
mountainman - 12/29/2023, 10:05 AM
@HammerLegFoot - I’m trying to figure this out too. The best guess I have is to play “Tom Sawyer” by Rush during a particular scene. While an awesome song, I don’t see how this is newsworthy.
Deadinside
Deadinside - 12/29/2023, 11:19 AM
@mountainman - That is precisely what that means!
James Gunn has several "needle drops" in his movies!☮👍
marvel72
marvel72 - 12/29/2023, 9:24 AM
Black Widow was crap, they made Natasha invulnerable she falls from a Window and walks away like it was nothing. They made Taskmaster a woman when you can clearly see its a man in the costume until the reveal at the end. Red Guardian was a pussy, he is meant to be the equivalent of Captain America, what a joke.Women in the MCU get away with the crimes they commit,take that woman can't remember her name that kidnapped all those young girls and made them assassin's, she got away with that.

Probably the start of the downfall of the MCU.
mountainman
mountainman - 12/29/2023, 10:07 AM
@marvel72 - I think that the movie was good before the prison break. I can forgive the falling from the window scene as many action movies do stuff like this. It was really from the prison break to the end that it completely fell apart.

Imagine a Black Widow movie at the start of Phase 3, made with a similar tone to Winter Soldier.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 12/29/2023, 1:57 PM
@mountainman - I just viewed the fall scene as a retcon that she always had a lesser form of Super Soldier Serum like the character had in the source so never see the big deal about that when nobody goes on about how they stripped mention of her having had that jab in prior films and instead gave it to Bucky who never did in the comics.

Yeh the final act of the film had a load of problems but no more so than a LOT of CBM's, esp MCU ones and the first half of the film at least was better than most for me even if dragged down by the final act into a middling MCU.
marvel72
marvel72 - 12/29/2023, 2:23 PM
@mountainman - Exactly after The Winter Soldier would have been the perfect opportunity but again wait until she dies to release a movie.

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