THE SUBSTANCE Director Coralie Fargeat Declined Marvel's Offer To Helm BLACK WIDOW

THE SUBSTANCE Director Coralie Fargeat Declined Marvel's Offer To Helm BLACK WIDOW

A mainstream superhero movie from the director of Revenge and Substance might be hard to picture, but it's now come to light that Coralie Fargeat was in talks to helm 2021's Black Widow...

By MarkCassidy - Jan 30, 2025 08:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Black Widow

When The Substance picked up five Academy Award nominations - including Best Director - during Sunday's announcement, the usual jokes about director Coralie Fargeat immediately getting swept up in the superhero movie vacuum followed.

Now, it's come to light that the filmmaker actually did come close to accepting an offer to helm a Marvel Studios project while she was still working on the script for her surreal body-horror satire.

In Variety's piece on Fargeat's struggle to stay true to her original vision for the film despite certain Universal execs feeling that the extreme gore and nudity would make it a hard sell, it's mentioned that the director walked away from preliminary discussions to helm 2021's Black Widow starring Scarlett Johansson in order to stay focused on The Substance.

“I held on so tightly during the making of the film and the difficult post-production phase, when everyone wanted me to make it less violent, less excessive, less gory, less frontal. I knew that I had written this film to be more than — or at least at the same level as — what I’m denouncing in the film,” Fargeat says, adding that our society is “still insanely violent for women and puts us in boxes” to a point where we “create our own violence against ourselves.”

It may seem difficult to imagine the filmmaker behind The Substance and 2017's brutal survival thriller Revenge taking the helm of a Marvel movie, but the reality is, had Fargeat accepted the offer, Black Widow probably wouldn't have turned out all that different to the film Cate Shortland delivered.

Though some filmmakers (James Gunn, Sam Raimi) have obviously managed to bring their own unique flourishes to previous MCU projects, any level of creative control - which Fargeat insisted on with The Substance - would not have been entertained.

Now that Fargeat is an Oscar-nominated director, is there a chance she will decide to board more mainstream projects in the future? We'd say it's highly unlikely!

Natasha Romanoff, aka Black Widow, confronts the darker parts of her ledger when a dangerous conspiracy with ties to her past arises. Pursued by a force that will stop at nothing to bring her down, Natasha must deal with her history as a spy, and the broken relationships left in her wake long before she became an Avenger.

Black Widow also stars Florence Pugh, David Harbour, O-T Fagbenle, Olga Kurylenko, William Hurt, Ray Winstone, and Rachel Weisz, and is now streaming on Disney+.

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vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 1/30/2025, 8:30 AM
A career disaster prevented. Feige is contented with lousy directors
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/30/2025, 9:26 AM
@vectorsigma - y'know, except for Jon Favreau, Kenneth Branagh, Joss Whedon, The Russos, James Gunn, Ryan Coogler, Chloe Zhao, Sam Raimi, etc.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 1/30/2025, 9:39 AM
@ObserverIO - Exactly. You'd think that for a user that loves James Gunn so much he'd appreciate the fact that without Marvel Gunn would probably not be at DC right now...
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 1/30/2025, 11:57 AM
@ObserverIO -

Joss Whedon, The Russos, James Gunn, Ryan Coogler, Chloe Zhao

Lousy directors.
Nonameforme
Nonameforme - 1/30/2025, 1:17 PM
@ObserverIO - in fairness they were all really neutered by the studio. You honestly can't feel whose actually ejecting these movies at all.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 1/30/2025, 8:29 PM
@ObserverIO @Urubrodi -

Ok, point taken. Maybe i havent stressed enough that i loved the mcu from phase 1-3 and any criticism i give is for phases 4 onwards.

And i still believe only Joss Whedon will save the mcu. Shoudlve been given Secret Wars and not the russos
Radders
Radders - 1/31/2025, 9:00 AM
@ObserverIO - Did you actually include Chloe "every shot is a zoom shot with people standing in front of a nice view, in the gloden hour" Zhao
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/31/2025, 11:15 AM
@Radders - Yeah you mean Chloe "One of the finest and also Oscar-winning directors the MCU has ever had" Zhao. Yeah I put her on the list.
Radders
Radders - 2/3/2025, 9:09 AM
@ObserverIO - "One of the finest" based on what? - She hadn't even been nominated and had done precious little when Marvel cast her...and have you watched Nomadland lol All her skill comes from the cinematographer.

Then she made a truly terrible MCU movie, some how managing to get horribly wooden performances from good actors, changed the lead of the film to Sersi (cant think why), and wanted to change the script so the world was destroyed at the end - she's a genius there's no doubt :D
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/3/2025, 9:25 AM
@Radders - Both films had different DPs and yet the cinematography on both shared a similar quality. That's the director's touch. It's her artistic hand at work choosing to go for that real world, found landscape, Mallickian approach.

Those actors did give wooden performances, but they're not really that good in other things. I'm thinking mostly of Gemma Chan and Richard Madden. Have you ever seen them give good performances?

I didn't know she wanted to destroy the world at the end, but that might have made it a better movie. Obviously it would have been a massive change for the MCU, so that's probably why it was vetoed.
Radders
Radders - 2/5/2025, 9:00 AM
@ObserverIO - Fair enough, she wanted nice landscapes that someone else found and the DP organised she still only has shooting at the golden hour and almost every shot being a pan or a zoom - I'm not usually that bothered by direction, but that just annoyed me after only 15 mins. Weirdly I was both bored and annoyed lol

And yep Gemma isn't great but Richard can do better. However, she also had Angelina Jolie, Ma Dong-seok and Barry Keoghan.

Probably would have made a better movie but its just one part of a bad film which had promise but failed to deliver - That's not all on her though
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/5/2025, 9:08 AM
@Radders - Ma Dong-Seok and Barry Keoghan delivered imo.

Key moments: Barry Keoghan's delivery of the line "Upset?!"
Ma Dong-Seok dropping the flan on the floor when he hears of Ajax's death.

Jolie has always been more of a star than a great actress, but I know she's got some talent too and I thought she gave a decent portrayal of an ancient goddess trapped inside her own mind because of a terrible secret that has been repressed. It was a quiet almost melancholic performance. I thought she did okay.
Radders
Radders - 2/7/2025, 9:04 AM
@ObserverIO - Genuinely didn't feel that, most of the performances felt flat with the exception of Harish Patel who lifted the dour script.

Fair point Jolie is more of a star but check out The Changeling for what she is capable of.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/7/2025, 9:08 AM
@Radders - Harish Patel was really good.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 1/30/2025, 8:31 AM
Does she say why she declined and how wouldn't it have turned out differently, when she's a different person and may have different input on the story and characters. Did she have the same story and characters in mind.
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 1/30/2025, 9:44 AM
@dagenspear - The source article is linked above, but no, all it says is what it says in Mark's article, that she turned it down to focus on The Substance.
MisterBones
MisterBones - 1/30/2025, 8:32 AM
And she made a classic instead. Good for her.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 1/30/2025, 8:47 AM
Good for her… I thought Black Widow was ok. Not in the top ten MCU films but it would’ve done a lot better as an MCU film if it wasn’t during Covid .
dagenspear
dagenspear - 1/30/2025, 9:19 AM
@slickrickdesigns -
@theBlackSquare -

I thought it was pretty weak story and character wise and that it took the most generic route to the Black Widow story and character, not telling much of any of the character's origin or her drive in that origin, and negating the spy aspect of her character in the character's story to me, in tone and main story.

Along with, to me, it being built on flawed house of cards that the super secret spy agency shield, when they didn't find the head of the evil spy agency's body after an explosion, assumed he was dead, never looked into it and asked no questions (on top of the fact that the black widow program was a soviet russia operation and there'd surely be more people in charge of it than one guy, so killing him and expecting it to just stop is dumb to me).

And retroactively making Hawkeye, Nick Fury and Natasha all attempted child murderers/accomplices to attempted child murder. At least with Natasha, she was still mostly villainous even if she was trying to turn away from it and we could infer she may have murdered a child already (this being apart of her dark backstory and such), but Clint and Nick were kinda made to suck by that to me and I don't even think the movie realizes it.

It wasn't terrible entirely to me, even though I just complained heavily on some aspects, but it's fairly mostly mediocre to me.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 1/30/2025, 12:48 PM
@dagenspear - I just think if you compare it to Lafeme nakitta, or female lead spy movies rated R then it’s not good in comparison… but in comparison as a MCU phase 2 film it works as good as some of them. Not the winter soldier, though that is a great friggin film.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 1/30/2025, 5:33 PM
@slickrickdesigns - Maybe, but phase 2 was a time where I was distancing my interest in the MCU.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 1/30/2025, 5:43 PM
@slickrickdesigns - I also think a spy movie makes more sense for this character and story. But, to me, some of my issues with it exceed the bland/weak/annoying, to me, story and character uses that I criticize some movies of Phase 2 for, with the things added to Nick Fury/Hawkeye and the main story issue with Dreykov surviving to me.
theBlackSquare
theBlackSquare - 1/30/2025, 8:55 AM
Good move.


I kinda liked the real family dynamics in the fake family in BW. That had promise. But then it got too aerial and cgi-y.


Plus, Ray Winstone's accent. [frick] me.
ItsNotForMeWahh
ItsNotForMeWahh - 1/30/2025, 8:55 AM
Man, I would have loved to see her take on how Black Widow gets her vest
bobevanz
bobevanz - 1/30/2025, 9:09 AM
@ItsNotForMeWahh - It would have been the same movie. Directors for Marvel movies have no creative input
dagenspear
dagenspear - 1/30/2025, 9:20 AM
@bobevanz - Maybe, but man, i'd prefer to think the story and character dynamics may have been different.
Gabimaru
Gabimaru - 1/30/2025, 7:16 PM
@ItsNotForMeWahh - we wish, but i'm afraid it will be as lame as before the creative committee are creating lame ass action scene early on before they even got a script.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 1/30/2025, 9:11 AM
See dodged that bullet. Then Universal wanted her to change the ending of The Substance. She declined, Mubi bought the distribution rights and now it's nominated for 5 Oscars. What a crazy turn of events
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/30/2025, 9:17 AM
It seems dismissive to say that any level of creative control would not have been entertained for her take on Black Widow considering Cate Shortland’s ideas & flourishes like the opening sequence of that film did happen…

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They may not have gone as violent as perhaps she would have wanted if she had taken on the job given her then previous feature work in Revenge but still , almost all filmmakers that have worked with Marvel have said they value collaboration and are open to their ideas.

Anyway , I haven’t seen her films thus far but would have been interesting to see her version of the Black Widow film…

However, I think it worked out for the best in regards to her aswell as the BW film we got which I liked personally.
Polaris
Polaris - 1/30/2025, 9:29 AM
@TheVisionary25 - The opening sequence was so good!! Best part of the movie imo and one of my fave sequences in the whole mcu.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/30/2025, 9:33 AM
@Polaris - agreed

I think that and the Table scene are my favorites in the film , the latter of which just goes to the heart of the story.

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Cleander
Cleander - 1/30/2025, 9:28 AM
considering how unfinished and thin the story of The Substance is Idk if she would have made Black Widow worse than it already is
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/30/2025, 9:29 AM
The Russos would have made a perfect Black Widow movie.
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 1/30/2025, 12:01 PM
@ObserverIO -

Complete with a degenerate crying in a therapy session.

And an illogical, suspension of disbelief killing, girls get it done scene.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/30/2025, 9:58 AM
Fun fact:

Ms Fargeat has worked on a cbm project before…

She directed ep 9 of Netflix’s The Sandman S1 (good episode).

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MurfDyson
MurfDyson - 1/30/2025, 10:05 AM
That's not a complete loss on her part. Her style sort of fits to what the DCU is building towards
Forthas
Forthas - 1/30/2025, 10:08 AM
This MAYBE explains those early rumors! Thank God Will Smith will not be Neo
https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1884946113519628724?t=vTkOqGXyxl_kiIbnlI9XEg&s=19
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 1/30/2025, 11:14 AM
@Forthas -

Will Smith is telling people to take the red pill and join the conservatives.
MakeAmericaGrea
MakeAmericaGrea - 1/30/2025, 11:18 AM
Black Widow wasn't degenerate enough for her.

"...society is “still insanely violent for women and puts us in boxes” to a point where we “create our own violence against ourselves.”

And society doesn't do this to men?

I'm sure in America more men are murdered than women, and more men end their own lives than women do.
ThorArms
ThorArms - 1/30/2025, 11:29 AM
Black Widow was fine. It's simply a decent - mid Marvel film, and that's ok.
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