The Winter Soldier - A solid entry into the MCU but not Marvel's Dark Knight

The Winter Soldier - A solid entry into the MCU but not Marvel's Dark Knight

Captain America's second solo outing sees him questioning his allegiances, punching people and pits Steve Rogers against the iconic comic book villain, The Winter Soldier.

Review Opinion
By elib - Apr 03, 2014 01:04 AM EST

THE BRIEF: Being a fan of The Winter Soldier comic, CA: TFA, and MCU films in general I was eagly enticipating this movie. Expectations were high with many heralding it as the greatest Marvel solo film to date and some even saying it surpassed The Avengers. While I can honestly say (much to my disappointment) that neither of those statements are true, this is still a very good film.
 

MINOR SPOILERS
 

THE GOOD: The hand to 
hand fight scenes are expertly choreographed and executed and this combined with great cinematography makes for intense and fact paced punch ups and shootouts. The characters of Captain America, Nick Fury, Black Widow are all expanded on and explored in greater depth through perfect writing and acting. The film also introduces new characters, Sam Wilson and Alexander Pierce who are equally memorable and great additions to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Overall the direction and tone of this film is excellent, it's not quite as grim as a movie like The Dark Knight but much more serious than many other MCU entries and rightfully so. However the film does have several good moments of levity, which are all well timed. 


THE BAD: While the hand to hand fight scenes are well crafted the big explosion set pieces are poorly handled. Chalk it up to bad directing or bad writing but they just didn't have the impact they were supposed to. At the climax of the film 3 enemy helicarriers all begin firing on and crashing into one another which is impressive at first but it quickly becomes boring to watch. There's no jeopardy as we know that Captain America isn't going to die and the mix mash of gray and orange fire and rubble quickly becomes numbing and uninteresting. My biggest complaint with the film however, is the treatment of the The Winter Soldier character. He is a rather insignificant part of the story and is reduced to a henchman rather than a fearsome antagonist. It can be assumed that they are laying the groundwork for further development of this complex villain but in the context of THIS film, the character is criminally underused.


THE MIXED: The character of Brock Rumlow is a mixed bag for me, in this film at least. I would rather have seen him as Crossbones as opposed to the "rogue" S.H.I.E.L.D agent he was portrayed as, that said he was well acted and well written... for the second half of the film. The first half he is portrated as a nice guy and a good friend of Caps, I didn't buy his betrayal or this side of his character. Similarly, Sharon Carter is underused and underdeveloped in favour of Black Widow. I like Black Widow but I feel that her role would have been better suited to Agent 13 and would of helped develop her character instead of seemingly throwing her in for the sake of it.
 

THE SUMMARY: All in all I had a very solid time with this film but I couldn't shake the vibe that it felt like Avengers 1.5 rather than Captain America 2. Despite ending on a Desolation of Smaug-esque cliffhanger, I did get a certain feeling of resolution and I left the cinema perfectly satisfied. I eagerly await future Phase 2 films, and the eventual Captain America 3, which it seems will focus more on the emotional and intimate elements of the Winter Soldier storyline that I was hoping to see in this film.

8/10

Also, the TWO post credit scenes are top notch. Easily the best ones to date.
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Starkasm
Starkasm - 4/3/2014, 2:17 AM
Winter Soldier is a henchman in the comics so...I dno what you expected. He's the muscle. Not the schemer.

Frank Grillo said this was an origin of sorts for Crossbones. If he just appeared out of nowhere with a mask it would be weird. We have reason to see him in one now as he's severely burnt.
Also there was no betrayal as he was Hydra from the beginning.

Black Widow fits into this storyline more than Sharon Carter as she lives in the gray area. The complete opposite to Steve. She learns some tough lessons about herself and we learn some interesting ones about her. Giving Sharon her role would be really dull.

elib
elib - 4/3/2014, 3:58 AM
Those are all pretty valid points (especially the Crossbones one) but I still think a film called The Winter Soldier should focus more on the Winter Soldier. I get that he's a henchman, but so were Darth Vader, Bane, Hans Landa and Agent Smith. My point is that if the WS didn't have a lineage in comic books then I don't think he'd be particularly memorable.

I guess that's right about Sharon but I just felt like she didn't have anything to do in this movie. That said I really did like the Black Widow subplot.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 4/3/2014, 4:03 AM
those villian you listed like vader had free will the winter soldier was a brain washed killing machine that only cared about his mission.
elib
elib - 4/3/2014, 4:06 AM
He still should have had more of a presence in the film. My point was that just because he was a henchman it doesn't mean he shouldn't be integral in the story.
Starkasm
Starkasm - 4/3/2014, 3:03 PM
I don't think screen time really matters. WS served his purpose. He was a formidable foe and dragged Steve back to the past. And paved the path for future films.

I do agree I wish I saw more of him, but that's because I enjoyed him so much not because I felt he was underused.
elib
elib - 4/3/2014, 3:40 PM
I agree, screen time doesn't matter. Hannibal Lecter was only in Silence of the Lambs for something like 15 minutes. My problem is that my expectations were incorrectly set, by the title of the film and its marketing.
Mjdemon27
Mjdemon27 - 4/3/2014, 8:37 PM
10/10 for me, I just saw it maybe an hour ago. When watching movies i tend to not look for some bad so i didn't notice anything wrong with the explosions at all. They all looked fine to me so had no issue.

And like someone said, the Winter Soldier is indeed a henchman. He wasn't doing his own thing at all, was just following orders. I absolutely loved him, every scene he was involved in was great. Less was definately better with him because we knew sh*t was about to go down whenever he was on screen. The fight scenes in the movie were amazing, i found it awesome that Cap actually looked like a Super Soldier due to him kicking guys and hurling guys all over the place.
TayDee
TayDee - 4/3/2014, 8:52 PM
Yeah I don't agree with this review at all.
DatNerdyKid
DatNerdyKid - 4/4/2014, 5:06 AM
I agree 100% about how the Winter Soldier was used-every area of the marketing, including the bloody subtitle, chalked him up to be integral to the plot and terrifying, but I feel like he was (as you so rightly put) insignificant to the plot. Rumlow and friends were much more relevant antagonists. On that subject, I really liked Rumlow and I feel that the fact he and STRIKE were 'pretending' to be Cap's allies all along is even more intriguing-no idea how they are going to turn him into Crossbones now though. I do agree on Sharon Carter as well-criminally underused, with not a single reference made to her connection to Peggy.
Tbh I think the film was quite overrated. But eh. You get that.
Transforminator
Transforminator - 4/4/2014, 5:38 AM
This movie should have been called: Captain America - Agent of SHIELD to better allude to the plot.
DatNerdyKid
DatNerdyKid - 4/4/2014, 6:15 AM
@Transforminator I second that motion
76cidgrad
76cidgrad - 4/4/2014, 7:11 AM
Being a decades-long fan of Captain America and knowing the plotline of Winter Soldier going into the movie, I didn't expect to be surprised by the reveal so much as watching Cap's reaction. I took a friend who has just recently seen the first Cap film but didn't know a thing about the plot in advance. All he could keep repeating throughout the movie was "Oh Wow!"

The Winter Soldier story line ran through two years in the comics, I believe.
The movie captures the essence of the story, having to assume the audience doesn't know the background. And it definitely leaves you wanting more in CAP 3.

I enjoyed The first Batman movie, and thought, as a whole. it was great. BATS 2 was the Joker movie, and the third movie was so confusing it was difficult to enjoy. The fight scenes with Batman certainly can't hold a candle to CAP 2, and Winter Soldier is so much more interesting and believable than the Bane presented in BATS 3.

No, CAP 2 is not the DARK KNIGHT, thank goodness. Man of Steel was a mess.
Wonder Woman looks like a toothpick. I really want to see DC elevate their game, but they are not living up to my expectations of the quality Marvel is producing. I know there are a lot of Batman fanboys out there who will defend DC to their graves, and will lash out at my post, but deep down, don't you wish you had seen Batman fight Bane like Captain America does in this movie?

I want both universes to do well, as I have been a Batman fan long before Captain America hit the scene, but I really do think the DC fans need to vocally hold DC to a higher level, rather than spewing at Marvel fans. The fans railed at Marvel about Cap's uniform in the Avengers and Marvel listened.
Do you really want to see a skinny Flash and Wonder Woman? Really? And surely you want a REAL Green Lantern...

Why does DC have to be better than Marvel or vice-versa? Why can't we look forward to great quality productions from both and celebrate when they deliver?

DatNerdyKid
DatNerdyKid - 4/4/2014, 10:54 AM
@76cidgrad
The Winter Soldier...more BELIEVABLE than Bane? Maybe. More INTERESTING. C'mon son. Yes one may be more personally connected to their hero than the other, but to become invested in a character said character must actually have...character. Not just shoot some guns, say maybe a page or two's worth of lines, and have a hand-to-hand-slugfest with the hero (though badass this tops neither Cap vs. Batroc nor either Batman vs. Bane fights). Bane truly had a purpose, a reason for being, and was entirely threatening-Winter Soldier was merely a weapon. A weapon incorrectly utilised by the Russos.
bsmithree
bsmithree - 4/4/2014, 11:15 AM
If you read the comic the Winter Soldier, you would have changed just about everything in that review.
Im so tired of comic-illiterate critics reviewing comic book movies.
Winter Soldier was dead on perfect to what he should have been.
76cidgrad
76cidgrad - 4/4/2014, 4:47 PM
Nerdykid,
Bane the comic book character is multi-faceted. Bane in TDKR was one dimensional. He spends more time gripping his vest than anything else.
And you're saying Winter Soldier had no purpose or wasn't threatening? You must have watched another movie.
Bet you loved Green Lantern, too.
Give credit where credit is due.

Oh, and I would appreciate it if you wouldn't call me son...
elib
elib - 4/4/2014, 6:36 PM
I highly resent being called "comic-illiterate". I've read The Winter Soldier and I'm well versed in Captain America in general. I'm not saying the Winter Soldier was bad, I'm saying he should have been more important to the plot.
DatNerdyKid
DatNerdyKid - 4/4/2014, 8:10 PM
@76cidgrad Fair enough, no to the 'son' thing then.
I didn't really 'love' 'Green Lantern' at all-it has many, MANY problems. It screwed around with the lore in places it wasn't necessary to do so-eg. the reinvention of Parallax-and in short made things HARDER for itself to bring page to screen in potential future instalments. Also Hammond was an annoying bitch. But moving on.
I found Bane to be a fantastic villain. He was a villain who inflicted pain wherever he went, and who set out to take Gotham from Bruce-and he SUCCEEDED. I loved Stan as Bucky in the first film but in this I simply felt like he exhibited no character. He was a presence sure, a badass for certain, yet another 'kill anyone in the way' type of mission-focused bad guy. And again, I simply don't believe he was relevant. If Bucky had died after falling off that train, here is what would have happened:
1. HYDRA would still have infiltrated S.H.I.E.L.D. from its beginnings, and secretly utilised other hired assassins to 'shape the century'.
2. Alexander Pierce would still be head of both HYDRA and S.H.I.E.L.D.
3. Fury would still have escaped the assassins assaulting his SUV, but one would still have found and assassinated him at Cap's apartment.
4. Cap would still have gone with Widow to find the secret installation.
5. Rumlow and STRIKE, who were essentially all the places Winter Soldier was in the movie anyway, would have had the opportunity to better develop into side-villains.
6. Cap, Widow and Falcon would still be captured by S.H.I.E.L.D., freed by Hill and taken to Fury.
7. We STILL would have gotten the final sequence except Rumlow would be able to get his payoff in the film and meaningfully fight Cap instead of being relegated to fighting Falcon.
8. With Falcon's wings presumably not getting broken that would make up for the lack of Winter Soldier to save Cap, as Falcon would be able to take his place.
See what I mean about irrelevance? We still have 85-90% the same movie.
Starkasm
Starkasm - 4/4/2014, 8:53 PM
Rumlow? Take on Cap? Yeah dno if you noticed the elevator scene but cap didn't even break a sweat with a room full of mercs.
jsop4
jsop4 - 4/4/2014, 11:23 PM
compare winter soldier to The Terminator. Great film, great villain. what makes winter soldier great is his transformation for unfeeling robotic killing machine to trying to grasp his origins and past. His origins in the comics was that he was always the weapon while others made the decisions who/when he pulled the trigger. The movie captured that perfectly.
elib
elib - 4/5/2014, 12:59 AM
It seems like villains being poorly handled is a recurring theme of Phase 2
Starkasm
Starkasm - 4/5/2014, 3:57 AM
What would you have liked to have seen, Elib?

He was handled perfectly in my opinion.
elib
elib - 4/5/2014, 3:44 PM
I would have either liked them to call it something different like Captain America: Agent of Shield or something along those lines and not market the winter soldier as the key part of the film. Or scrap Alexander Pierce altogether and make the Winter Soldier the primary antagonist.
Starkasm
Starkasm - 4/5/2014, 6:07 PM
For someone who has supposedly read the comic, you don't really understand the character at all.
IamnotYou
IamnotYou - 4/5/2014, 7:29 PM







Lmao
elib
elib - 4/5/2014, 11:45 PM
I mean have a mastermind behind the whole scheme, don't make it so Bucky is calling all the shots but make him the focus of the narrative. The story happened around the Winter Soldier, rather than because of him. Also, I haven't read more than the Winter Soldier Ultimate Collection so there may be some elements of the character that I'm unaware of. But in terms of what I was lead to expect, this movie let me down in some regards. I wouldn't call it a bad movie thought, I still thought it was awesome
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