Anthony Russo Reflects On CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER's Legacy And Teases Next Comic Book Movie

Anthony Russo Reflects On CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER's Legacy And Teases Next Comic Book Movie

Chris Evans Says CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER Is His Personal Favorite Marvel Movie
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DrReedRichards - 4/5/2024, 7:23 AM
TWS, DOFP, GOTG1, Peak CBM year in general.
FireandBlood - 4/5/2024, 7:26 AM
@DrReedRichards - That year, ‘08, ‘12 and ‘18 were glorious
TheVisionary25 - 4/5/2024, 7:29 AM
@DrReedRichards - 2014 was a good time.
DrReedRichards - 4/5/2024, 7:31 AM
@FireandBlood -

Don't forget 2005. One of the genre's finest.
bkmeijer1 - 4/5/2024, 7:34 AM
@DrReedRichards - yeah. 2014 is still undefeated in my book, even when it had TASM2 (which I've come to appreciate over time a lot too)
FireandBlood - 4/5/2024, 7:34 AM
@DrReedRichards - What came out in ‘05? Besides Begins, I’m not remembering 😅
TheVisionary25 - 4/5/2024, 7:35 AM
@bkmeijer1 - that movie has its moments imo

It’s not great or I wouldn’t even call it good but stuff like this makes my heart warm to it somewhat.


bkmeijer1 - 4/5/2024, 7:38 AM
@TheVisionary25 - definitely. The movie had the best Spider-Man imo. Stuff like suddenly wearing a firefighter hat is peak Spider-Man imo

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And it still had the best swinging sequence

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DrReedRichards - 4/5/2024, 7:39 AM
@FireandBlood -

Batman Begins, Tim Story's first F4 (guilty pleasure), Sin City, V for Vendetta, and History Of Violence.
TheVisionary25 - 4/5/2024, 7:45 AM
@DrReedRichards - V For Vendetta was 2006 wasn’t it?.

Anyway , big fan of that movie!!.

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FireandBlood - 4/5/2024, 7:57 AM
@DrReedRichards - Ahhh, yeah. For got about those. Pre-O8, that’s a good year. We was lucky to get 1 banger year back then, a bit like now.
DrReedRichards - 4/5/2024, 8:05 AM
@TheVisionary25 -

Late 2005 premiere, December 11th, so I'm counting it in, even if it's only a technicality, lol. 😉
marvel72 - 4/5/2024, 11:54 AM
@DrReedRichards - Fantastic Four:Rise Of The Silver Surfer and Punisher:Warzone are my guilty pleasures.
DrReedRichards - 4/5/2024, 12:28 PM
@marvel72 -

2005's F4 and 2003's LXG are mine.
TheVisionary25 - 4/5/2024, 5:39 PM
@DrReedRichards - LXG is mine too lol
DrReedRichards - 4/6/2024, 4:27 AM
@TheVisionary25 -

I know, right? It's bad, but it's bad in such a cheesy 2000's way, I can't help but love it! 😁
WEAPONXOXOXO - 4/5/2024, 7:26 AM
Still my favorite MCU movie. I miss Chris Evans and the Russo bros.
marvel72 - 4/5/2024, 11:08 AM
@WEAPONXOXOXO - Hopefully they comeback for Avengers 5,Avengers:Secret Wars and The X-Men.
KaptainKhaos - 4/5/2024, 7:35 AM
The greatest MCU movie of all time, this is the movie that set my expectations of what a Marvel Movie should be
bkmeijer1 - 4/5/2024, 7:36 AM
Still goes undefeated imo. The Russos and the writers made a better movie with Civil War and Infinity War, but Winter Soldier is my absolute favourite.

This would be a good opportunity to also announce the Russos for Secret Wars Part 1 & 2.
TheVisionary25 - 4/5/2024, 7:38 AM
So Good!!.

To think , people were so against them directing this due to their past filmography but now they have arguably the best track record in the MCU…

Just goes to show that you shouldn’t write someone off so hastily because they might surprise you.

Also , not to mention this movie changed the trajectory of AOS which is one of my favorite shows for the better!!.

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dragon316 - 4/5/2024, 7:39 AM
Is there any scenes in marvel movies that’s not green screen fake looking lazy hollywood
HashTagSwagg - 4/5/2024, 7:48 AM
@dragon316 - You can find some of those scenes in Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2 and Thor as they were all shot entirely on film, Captain American was the first to be shot digitally which is when it all started to look fake.
mountainman - 4/5/2024, 7:41 AM
After all these years, winter soldier is still the best MCU movie.

They should have kept the secret ops side of the MCU with this tone and feel. Black Widow would have been far better if it would have been in the vein of Winter Soldier.
FireandBlood - 4/5/2024, 8:53 AM
@mountainman - Black Widow literally had the same feel and tone, even down to the explosive CGI ridden final act. It just wasn’t as good.
mountainman - 4/5/2024, 9:07 AM
@FireandBlood - Not really. The first half of the movie did, but it really fell off in the second half.

Red Guardian was goofy and didn’t at all represent what a former Soviet super soldier who was betrayed by his country and put in prison for 20 years would act like.

Our heroes literally caused an entire prison of people to be buried under an avalanche.

There weren’t really interesting themes in Black Widow like there were in Winter Soldier.

Taskmaster was a poor man’s winter Soldier. Not as intimidating and the reveal of who was behind the mask had none of the impact that it did for Winter Soldier / Bucky.

The “guy behind it all” was not at all comparable. Pierce was great, dude from Black Widow was over the top and a waste of a great actor.

While the stupid sky base tried being like the helicarriers, and admittedly the helicarriers falling out of the sky were the dumbest part of Winter Soldier, at least in that movie you get the awesome moments between Steve and Bucky. You didn’t get any awesome moments in that CGI nonsense at the end of Black Widow. The audience didn’t care about any of the brainwashed Black Widows, the villain was over the top and lame, and Taskmaster just wasn’t an effective villain.

They COULD have made it a spiritual sequel to Winter Soldier. But it had too much goofy humor, it was afraid to flesh out its themes, and the over the top CGI in the 2nd half really brought it down.

Winter Soldier = best MCU movie

Black Widow = bottom of the middle of the pack of MCU
FireandBlood - 4/5/2024, 10:04 AM
@mountainman - “There weren’t really interesting themes in Black Widow like there were in Winter Soldier.”

I guess child human trafficking and the trauma that had on the protagonists just flew over your head.

“at least in that movie you get the awesome moments between Steve and Bucky.”

There was just as many between Yelena and Nat. You just weren’t interested, and the reason for that is obvious based on your history. I’m not going to sit here and pretend Black Widow was as good as Winter Soldier, but to act as if the movie wasn’t quite literally made in the same vein is just straight up disingenuous.

But I get it. Women, “woke” = garbage. 🙄
mountainman - 4/5/2024, 10:36 AM
@FireandBlood - Once again, your regressive extremist views mean that you have zero ability to have a nuanced and adult conversation.

you assign views to others that no facts back, only your cultish ideology.

Yeah, Yelena joking about her uterus being removed was a really in depth analysis of child trafficking and women being taken advantage of 🙄.

Yeah Ray winstone’s over the top terrible villain was really a great analysis of men taking advantage of women 🙄

Yeah, you can find any example of me calling this movie woke 🙄

And quite obviously you missed the point that Black Widow tried making Taskmaster into its movie’s winter soldier, but nobody cared because a) that wasn’t taskmaster and b) nobody cared about the “twist” because it was poorly done.

Maybe if Marvel would have done what it should have and given Black Widow a movie before she died and then also made it serious and winter soldier like, vs goofy and dumb, then it could have been a good movie.

FireandBlood - 4/5/2024, 11:16 AM
@mountainman - And again, you’re showing a double standard you have against Black Widow for obvious reasons, because there was no in-depth analysis of anything in TWS either. It was a popcorn flick with some spy/espionage elements, that’s it. And it was damn good, don’t get me wrong. But it wasn’t some deep movie or any deeper than Black Widow.

Yes, they tried making Taskmaster their Winter Soldier. Well, they did. It just didn’t land the same, and that’s fine. But that’s the point. You even recognising the similarities between the two while simultaneously denying them because God forbid Black Widow be compared to a movie it’s not only clearly inspired by, but outright imitating. Just because it wasn’t as good doesn’t mean to it didn’t strive to hit all the same beats, because it did and you’d be lying to suggest otherwise.
mountainman - 4/5/2024, 11:19 AM
@FireandBlood - You just get offended when people have different opinions than you do and you assign your views to the reasons why. It’s ok man. Everyone has biases. I don’t tell you why you like or do not like things. Maybe you should take that same approach with others.
FireandBlood - 4/5/2024, 12:05 PM
@mountainman - I’m not offended by anything anyone does on this site, trust me. I’m just not shook to call you out for shit others would otherwise be cautious to call you out for when it’s as blatant as it is. 🤷‍♂️

And in terms of this topic, we’re talking about what is, not opinions. Black Widow is a poor man’s TWS, it isn’t as good, but it very much followed the formula laid out by TWS, something which you are both trying to deny only to contradict yourself and confirm. But either way, it’s an undeniable fact, one which was even acknowledged by the cast/crew.
mountainman - 4/5/2024, 12:14 PM
@FireandBlood - Yeah sure bud. Bucky totally joked about brainwashing in TWS the same way Yelena joked about her hysterectomy.

You’re right that some interesting themes were there. But they weren’t explored well.

And it had the same overly-goofy humor that most modern MCU does.

It has nothing to do with being female led. Black Widow is awesome. I wanted a movie from her. Just a good one.
FireandBlood - 4/5/2024, 12:24 PM
@mountainman - Bucky didn’t speak, and when he did, it was the scream. Yelena actually broke down during her family dinner, but the little nuances in her character don’t matter to you. She’s female, she cracked one joke, so the rest went out the toilet.

“And it had the same overly-goofy humor that most modern MCU does.”

Black Widow had less humour than the two movies either side of TWS, Thor 2 and GOTG. But of course you’re trying to revise history right now, acting as if every MCU hasn’t had the same type of humour. Anything to stick to the woke “DEI agenda driven” Phase 4/5.

You’re boring.
marvel72 - 4/5/2024, 12:36 PM
@mountainman - Black Widow was great in this movie, this was the perfect time to release a Black Widow movie not after she died in Avengers:Endgame, no one gave a shit.
mountainman - 4/5/2024, 12:53 PM
@FireandBlood - I haven’t praised Thor 2 before, but it certainly wasn’t as bad as Goofy ass Thor 4.

Yes Bucky didn’t talk much. Not talking is better than terrible jokes.

But go ahead bro. Assume things. Claim stuff that isn’t true. Whatever floats your boat.

I couldn’t care less what false things you believe about me.
HammerLegFoot - 4/5/2024, 7:42 AM
TWS, DOFP, GOTG1, Peak CBM year in general.
MotherGooseUPus - 4/5/2024, 7:49 AM
The BEST MCU movie. and luck for us, the Russos with Macus/McFeely gave us not just the BEST but, one could argue the top 4 or 4 of the top 5 best MCU movies ever made with CW, IW and Endgame.

Man do i miss those 4 guys making hit after hit, greatness at it's peak for me
DrReedRichards - 4/5/2024, 8:06 AM
@MotherGooseUPus -

I'm a shameless CW over TWS guy, but I can only be thankful to that creative team for making the MCU be taken seriously.
MotherGooseUPus - 4/5/2024, 8:13 AM
@DrReedRichards - and you wouldnt hear an argument from me of CW or TWS. I love them both. Im just lucky enough to have been around during the greatest run of MCU movies and truly miss those days
KennKathleen - 4/5/2024, 7:51 AM
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