Oscar Isaac's Apocalypse and Josh Brolin's Thanos

Oscar Isaac's Apocalypse and Josh Brolin's Thanos

Oscar Isaac played Apocalypse in X-Men: Apocalypse and Josh Brolin is set to reprise his role as Thanos in upcoming Avengers movies. Here's an analysis of Isaac's Apocalypse and how exactly I see Brolin's Thanos playing out.

Editorial Opinion
By Yaf - Jul 21, 2016 10:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics
Reception to Oscar Isaac's Apocalypse was mixed, some like me loved it, others hated it, others hated it from the get go. Those who loved it loved it because of how regal it was, how Isaac actually managed to make the character worth watching and how seductive his character was. Those who hated it either had legitimate complaints or didn't like that he wasn't a CGI character like Josh Brolin's Thanos. Here's the thing though, Thanos, Darkseid and Apocalypse - they're all the same character.

Yeah, DC has one Darkseid but Marvel has two. Nothing wrong with that, especially since even though both characters are inherently the same, they have both diverged and provided different storylines that each entertain in their own way. The thing is, if you didn't like Oscar Isaac's Apocalypse because you think he looked like Ivan Ooze (damn you guys really had to dig deep to find that though), this article isn't for you, get the [frick] out of here. For you other reasonable users, here's the article.

Oscar Isaac's Apocalypse:

The only thing I didn't like about Isaac's Apocalypse was that he wasn't physical enough, that we didn't see him personally decimate all of the X-Men. However, I liked why that was - he was extremely regal and had no need to do any of that when he could have his minions do it for him. His minions were all under his persuasion, and any inconsistencies there let's just blame on Kinberg. Isaac started of his performance powerfully and ended it as such as well.

When En Sabah Nur woke up, he was regal and walked with stature. You can see when he touches the car, though, he is confused why it isn't him that's decorated everywhere. When the Egyptians attack Storm, you can see he's confused why she's running from them instead of subjugating them. You can see the only time he's proud, is when he sees Magneto in the television. One of the biggest nuances you see in his performance though, is how he goes from regal and confused, to arrogant to frustrated.

As soon as Nur gets the Horsemen together, he's arrogant. Things are going his way, there is no way he can lose but then the X-Men take Charles Xavier away from him and he loses it. One of my favorite lines was when he's raving around the ruins of Cairo demanding Charles come face him or see the death of his "weaklings". The regal man who walked slowly in the beginning of the film is gone, now it's the angry God. Quicksilver tries to attack him, but Apocalypse makes the speedster is bitch, then he does the same to Mystique and then he does the same to every other X-Men as well.

It takes them all attacking him at once - on two different planes of existence - for him to finally be defeated.

How it will affect Brolin's Thanos:

What we've seen of Brolin's Thanos has not been impressive. He somehow looked his best in The Avengers, looked weak in Guardians of the Galaxy after Ronin got the Infinity Stone and his cameo in The Avengers: Age of Ultron made that film look even more like a stepping stone. Except we're all excited, because an actor of such high caliber is playing one of the Marvel Universe's most powerful villains, a God-Like adversary who has a powerful weapon and how will he even be defeated? That last sentence could describe people's thoughts when it was announced Oscar Isaac was playing Apocalypse as well. The difference is that we've already seen Josh Brolin's Thanos and even though it hasn't been that impressive, we still haven't seen enough to say that it sucked. It hopefully is going to rock. It hopefully is going to be amazing.

Know this, if you loved Isaac's Apocalypse - you will love Brolin's Thanos. Why? Brolin's Thanos may wind up being more physical than Isaac's Apocalypse, but overall, they will likely play the character the same. Well, Brolin will only half play Thanos, the other half will be played by the CGI team. There's the difference between going for motion capture and makeup, Isaac's performance of Apocalypse was all him - Brolin's performance will only partially be him. That aside though, what makes anyone think that Brolin's Thanos will be any different than Isaac's Apocalypse?

They both play Gods who work with Celestial technology, are the strongest beings in the universe and when enhanced, can only be defeated when gangbanged by every other superhero. It's almost impossible for actual actors to play these characters because when they're in the states we love them most (as in when they are Gods) they have no real depth other than their simplistic motivations (Apocalypse wanting to kill all humans, Thanos wanting to kill all... everything) and varying powers (Apocalypse being every mutant and Mr. Fantastic in one, Thanos being well... everything in one).

It is especially hard for actors to get any depth from these characters, that Isaac managed to do so just goes to show how incredible an actor he is and trust me, it will be harder for Brolin to do so because like I've said, his performance isn't all his. Half of his performance will done by the CGI team. That's what people forget about motion capture, the actor compromises his performance and it could either end up great (Koba and Caesar, or Gollum) if the actor is in sync with with the CGI team or terrible at no fault of the actors (Beowulf would have been great it were, you know... a video game). I trust the Russos and think they're great filmmakers, but they aren't James Cameron and I don't know if they can make a Thanos as good as the N'avi, especially since Gunn couldn't do it.

I'm confident that Thanos will end up great, but don't assume that just because it's Marvel Studios Thanos will be amazing. There's a lot more at play, especially when considering Thanos as a character, has a lot less depth than most of the villains whose performances seemed half-assed in Marvel movies.

Conclusion: 

Be excited for Thanos, but be cautious. Just because he looks like Thanos, doesn't mean you'll enjoy him as much as you think you will. Remember, Thanos isn't a complicated character but that's exactly what makes adapting him so complicated. The same problems faced by Apocalypse, at least critically, will likely be faced by Thanos unless the Russos manage to somehow make their third Marvel film a hole in one. Let's hope they do.
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BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 7/21/2016, 11:09 AM
Looks like an editorial.
Might want to change that friend.
sKeemAn
sKeemAn - 7/21/2016, 11:46 AM
Ok great write-up, and nice read. Personally I think Apocalypse differs from Thanos & Darkseid, because he was born human/mutant whereas the other 2 are alien beings who we may not be able to understand as humans. Which is why I really like how Isaac portrayed Apoc, showing different emotions about what was happening to his world. I agree though I wish they would have gone with a more physical version of Apoc to really showcase how strong he is.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 7/21/2016, 11:49 AM
i cant wait for thanos to take on the MCU it's gonna be epic. Brolin is a great actor and in regards to him not getting his performance across as well due to cgi i think they will after all they have the motion capture guru on hand (andy serkis) and they have much longer to finish the cgi for both infinity wars parts than they allowed for age of ultron.
BaronZemo
BaronZemo - 7/21/2016, 2:37 PM
I'm sorry, but if you say that Thanos is a simple character. You sir, don't have a f*cking clue about Thanos... with all due respect, tho.
Yaf
Yaf - 7/21/2016, 9:21 PM
@BaronZemo - Let's see, Thanos kills his family and planet to appease death and does everything to that goal. Does shit here and there. He's a simple ass character. Substitute Darwinism in place of appease death and you have Apocalypse. Anti-Life in place of appease death and you have Darkseid.
BaronZemo
BaronZemo - 7/22/2016, 7:41 AM
@Yaf - But the fact that Thanos loves Death is not just the typical obligatory motivation so the bad guy can be the bad guy. No, it's his essential treat. His goal is not to kill, his goal is not power, his goal is always to be loved. A goal that not many villains have. Everything he does, he does it for Death.

When he aquired omnipotence via the Infinity Gauntlet he gave Lady Death the great news. He just wanted to be her equal and sit beside her. But Lady Death kept talking through her interpreters because she was showing repect to the all-powerful. Thanos suddenly realised that he was not her equal, he was her superior... And he begins to cry.

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He realises that he can make her love him but that would be forcing her and he doesn't want her blind summission either. I don't know if you've read the Infnity Gauntlet storyline but it's not about Thanos fighting the Avengers and killing people, it' about Thanos constantly trying to get Lady Death's heart. And when Death begins to fight Thanos his heart is completely broken and he gives up his power (he lets Nebula steal his gauntlet on purpose). Thanos doesn't want power, in fact it's revealed by Warlock that Thanos thinks he doesn't deserve it, he just wants to be loved.

And what Jim Starlin did with Thanos in the second Adam Warlock run in the 70's is amazing. He contrasts Thanos who represents Death (his name even means death in latin i believe) with Adam Warlock, who represents Jesus Christ.

I mean, i could do a character breakdown but i think it's better if i did an article on it. My question is: What have you read about Thanos?
BaronZemo
BaronZemo - 7/22/2016, 7:44 AM
Because i think it's kind of disrespectful to the character to say he is a simple villain like any other who is just a bad guy for the sake of the plot when maybe you haven't read what you should.
Yaf
Yaf - 7/22/2016, 12:17 PM
@BaronZemo - I've read Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity War, Epiphany, the Magus Saga and the Death of Captain Marvel, all of which heavily featured Thanos. That's not counting the stories I've read in which he is just featured. I don't know what's hard for you to understand about this, yeah, he has some depth sure but just like Darkseid and Apocalypse, he's a basic character. Is it disrespectful? No. It's criticism and warranted at that.
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 7/21/2016, 3:05 PM
Nice! Great read, haven't seen Apocalypse yet.
kong
kong - 7/21/2016, 3:09 PM
I hope Darkseid is menacing.

Because Damion Poitier's smile in the post credits scene of Avengers was more intimidating than ANYTHING Brolin did in GOTG.

And Oscar Isaac was directed by Bryan Singer, who still thinks it's 2002.
HarrowRed
HarrowRed - 7/21/2016, 3:21 PM
I like most of your points, but I think you underestimate motion capture technology and the ability that it allows actors to still play characters. Sure, it's not perfect, but I attribute that to the idea that we're seeing emotions on the faces of monsters, animals, or aliens, it mostly looks a bit weird since you're seeing recognizable features on strange faces.

Ruffalo really got into Hulk, and you can completely see the difference in character between when he attacks Widow and when he is fighting with the team at the end. In my mind apocalypse worked because the X-Men have been made into a more "street level' team in the movies (which I really dig) but seeing Oscar Isaac's apocalypse going against Hulk and even Thor would be a stretch imo. Better to make him big and risk a less subtle performance, but have convincing battles.
Yaf
Yaf - 7/21/2016, 9:19 PM
@HarrowRed - Motion capture is at best 50 % work done by the actor and 50 % done by the mocap team. Really all that they retained for the Hulk was some nuances of Ruffalo's performance, namely his eyes and mouth. In The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, and Serkis may try to downplay this, but Gollum was almost all the mocap team, same for Koba and Caesar.

I'm not saying we can't see an actor's performance, I'm just saying that we're forgetting about who's actually constructing the performance. Who decides what stays and what goes, who actually makes it happen.
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 7/21/2016, 6:39 PM
For me personally I really liked Thanos in GOTG. People who complained he looked weak completely missed the point of Thanos. Complaining that Thanos did nothing when Ronan killed his henchman The Other. I ask in rebuttal to that is why would Thanos care that Ronan killed The Other. That was his henchman he meant nothing to him just another lackey in his plan to be used to fulfill his ends. He allowed Ronan his temper tantrum because to him Ronan is a child. Even if Ronan used the Infinity Stone against him Thanos probably still would have taken him down. It gave the air of complete confidence that no matter what happens his plans will be fulfilled.
Yaf
Yaf - 7/21/2016, 9:20 PM
@pesmerga44 - What I disliked about Thanos in that film is how when Ronin gets the Infinity Stone, he says he'll kill Thanos and they cut it off at that. It doesn't give any indication that Thanos is more powerful to make Ronin seem like an immediate threat, but they half-ass Ronin so badly either way that Thanos is wasted as well.
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