Marvel's Champions vs DC's Champions...(Week 3: ROUND 6)

Deathstroke
Green Lantern
Martian Manhunter

Black Panther vs Deathstroke -- good fight but I give it to DS by a hair, mostly because of his enhanced thought processes which grant him better tactical/strategic ability.

The Things vs Green Lantern -- love the Thing to death but he'd lose this fight. Incidentally, Thing's not Class 100. Unless of course all modern writers are just as dumb-assed as whoever wrote Gladiator flipping Juggernaut by the wrist.

Thor vs Martian Manhunter -- big fan of MM but as with Superman, this still comes down to the matter of an alien versus a god. Discount that argument all you'd like, but while they're both similar in that they're the respective Swiss Army Knife of each of their universes, Thor's still an immortal god with the most powerful weapon in nature at his beck and call. I do think this would be a great fight, but once Thor calls down the lightning, it's over.

And Thing can lift more than 100 tons as well, he once lifted 3,000 (or was it 30,000? I cant remember) ton oil rig if I remember correctly.

I guessing the same idiot who thought these were plausible

Thor would beat MM , Thor can resist physic attacks and the lightning would set MM on fire and burn him to ashes since that is MM's weakness and Thor would still have his magic but wouldn't even have to use it .

That is another thing I don't get about MM . If he was from Mars and came to earth he would be a lot weaker than a human from Mars's weak ass gravity , he wouldn't be stronger .

of course thor is a god,he wouldn't have the name thor god of thunder if he wasn't.

@unknown -- you and I have disagreed on a lot in the past but I'm right there with you about the iconic version thing. Most iconic, in regards to these matches, = most easily recognizable or widely known version. And the most widely known version of Thing is in the 85-ton range. Stronger than a calm Hulk (who according to OHOTMU is in the 70-ton range) but not as strong as an emotionally aggravated Hulk (who quickly jumps up to the 100-ton and beyond range).

And see, this was my problem with Gladiator flipping Juggernaut by the wrist. Juggernaut's entire deal is that he cannot be moved, and can't be slowed once he decides to start moving. That's the gist of that character, his entire raison d'etre. There's nothing in Gladiator's history to suggest he can nullify a magical spell, and there's REALLY nothing in Juggernaut's history to suggest he can be man-handled like that by anyone this side of a really, really pissed off Hulk. It's explicitly contradictory to canon.

Damn writers.

@worldbreaker
Yeah that's what I always thought as well, even calm Hulk has been stronger than Grimm. It's just that Ben is a great wrestler and has great fighting skills...while Hulk in all fairness has no fighting skills (not hating on the guy cuz he's my favorite) but that evens up the odds and that's why it always seems like an even match.

@FOOM
Yes, thank you. I'm sick of checking that thread where there's a massive civil war between everyone and pics of naked people all over the place, let's not start that crap on here.

Yeah, I guess you could be right SAGEMODE, I voted Slade on this. But I can see your point.

Panther beat Mephisto with prep, Slade beat JLA with prep.

Mephisto > JLA...


But I think Slade would win, only by a slight margin though.

Panther's better than DD and Cap? To quote Vizzinni, "Inconceivable!" Maybe the new super-duper powered up version, but iconic Black Panther? No way. I could see iconic BP overpowering DD after an exhaustive tussle, maybe, but he was never up to Cap's level; he was close, but Cap still had it over him in every way except in regards to scientific knowledge.

What I don't understand is how BP could out-smart Doom. Doom's arguably THE greatest intellectual human mind in the MU (even smarter than Reed Richards, if you ask me). T'Challa may be a brainiac in his own right, but I can't recall any instance which showed him to be on Doom's intellectual level.

Yeesh. Maybe I just need to stop participating in these things. I'm too old school and resent too many of the power-ups and changes that have gone on in the MU once Quesada took over...

FENIX

BP noticed that when ever that Super Skrull switched powers, he displayed subtle evidence of tells, which are the drastic changes in body posture and weight when that Super Skrull changed powers, so he used that weakness to break the Skrulls limbs and rip out his eyeball, killing him.

LOUDLON

on paper, yes. Black Panther has been raised since birth to being a warrior in which hr first learned how to kill his opponent at 6 years old, he's claimed to havr studied every fighting style on Earth, he a strategic and tactical genius in which he leads the Wakandan army on all fronts and has even very briefly lead the Avengers at one point. Cap didnt start his training until he was chosen to be a Super Soldier, and Daredevil didnt start his until he was trained by Stick when he was, i believe, reaching his pre-teen years.

Updating the comic book characters is done for both old and new fans alike.New fans are given a jump in point while old fans are given something to talk about to the new generation.Most peolpe born between the 40's-early 70's where introduce to comic book characters via there comics while people in the late 70's - modern time were introduce via tv shows or movies which leads to them to read the comics.

Now I know to some amping the characters abilities to near infinite levels seem a tad bit overkill but it's to insure that these character remain in pop culture for generations to come.In this ever changing world and mass expossure to anime characters and modern day hero,kids tends to like cool and powerful characters.If you've ever seen most animes/mangas that pretty much describes most of their characters.Now think if Hulk,Thor,and Superman stayed at their iniatal power levels with no increase what would kids today be talking about?Superman who could lift a car or Goku who could train to become stronger and a lift a continent?

Adults,teens,and kids today really have nothing in common but comic book characters give them something to talk about.It just one of those thing where we have to remember that these characters aren't just for us to enjoy but for the entire world no matter what walk of life they come from.

@ Fenix -- I've said before that BP's not at Cap's level but is really, really close. According to OHOTMU BP's roughly 90% the physical specimen Cap is, and while Cap may have spent a few decades out of action, he had been thawed out and was back in ass-kicking action years before BP made his first appearance, so the "BP's more experienced" thing hold pretty much no water with me whatsoever. My take.

@FOOM -- thanks for the kind words. I have no real intention of dropping out of these matches, it's just become very, very apparent to me over the last week or so that my comic book knowledge, while it may encompass well over thirty years (been reading comics since I was 7, I'm 41 now) has been rendered almost null and void by modern, canon-ignoring writers.

I mean seriously, Juggernaut -- who has always been one of the most powerful physical forces on the planet -- is jobbing to historically less powerful characters like Colossus and Juggernaut? Wolverine can survive being torn in half when before simply being run through with a samurai sword nearly killed him and took him months to heal from? Black Panther can now beat Captain America, who was the last man standing against Thanos in possession of the Infinity Gauntlet, AND Daredevil at the same time? These things are inconceivable to me.

I refuse to ignore decades of canon. I guess that makes me the stubborn old fart of Fight Club/Vs, but if that's to be my role, then by hell I'm gonna play it to the bone lol

@LoudLon
Lol, it's funny you say that. I was just considering opening it up to other comic book universes and doing more than just Marvel/DC. I was gonna place a poll in the next battle asking if we wanted to keep it Marvel vs DC, or open it up to other comic book universes as long as we don't let it go too far and include things like Freddy Krueger, Indiana Jones, Gandalf, etc. I figure we could do it as long as we keep it comic characters only not branching out to movies/anime/etc.

And also to have some fights with characters that exist in the same universes like for example: Daredevil vs Iron Fist or Flash vs Superman...I thought about it because I'm running out of character's to use for one thing, and also like you say it's too good of an opportunity to pass up by including people like Savage Dragon, X (dark horse), Dredd, Hellboy, etc... It's funny you should bring it up cuz I was about to ask everyone that.

aw man so this fight club is done too??