DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE: Rumored New Details About How The Movie Originally Tied To Kang's MCU Story - SPOILERS

DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE: Rumored New Details About How The Movie Originally Tied To Kang's MCU Story - SPOILERS

Deadpool & Wolverine is a relatively standalone adventure in the Multiverse Saga but a new rumour claims to shed light on original plans to link the threequel to Kang's place in the Multiverse Saga...

By JoshWilding - Jul 29, 2024 09:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Deadpool & Wolverine

Deadpool & Wolverine has several links to the wider MCU, with the Time Variance Authority undoubtedly the biggest. Despite that, the movie feels relatively standalone and doesn't require moviegoers to have an encyclopedic knowledge of Marvel Studios' previous projects.

An unexpected celebration of 20th Century Fox's Marvel Universe, it also doesn't end with its title characters stranded on Earth-616 and only offers a glimpse into the TVA post-Loki season 2.

Still, the introduction of anchor beings definitely feels important to where the Multiverse Saga goes next.

Before Jonathan Majors was fired as the MCU's Kang the Conqueror (and Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania lessened interest in the villain), it seems there may have been plans for Deadpool & Wolverine to link up with the time-traveller's story. 

According to Daniel Richtman - who first revealed plans to introduce anchor beings in the threequel - "the original idea was that Paradox collected Anchor Beings from different universes to create an army to fight the Council of Kangs."

That's a big difference from what we got, though the plan may still have been hinted at by Paradox when he revealed that his higher-ups in the TVA have big plans for the Merc with the Mouth down the line. Ultimately, Deadpool & Wolverine was arguably better off without such a direct link to the next Avengers movies.

Richtman also talked about Marvel Studios' decision to move forward with Doctor Doom as the Multiverse Saga's big bad in place of Kang. "I mentioned Marvel found a 'replacement for Kang' not for Majors," the scooper said. "They had been searching for a new actor for a while but chose to go with Doom and [Downey] instead. They've been considering this idea since May."

@MyTimeToShineH has also chimed in on the Doom news and says, "They hired [Downey] as Doom for a reason. He's gonna take his mask off. A lot."

Earlier this month, Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige was asked about plans for Kang and declined to answer the question. 

"I've done a number of interviews in the last couple of days, and you're the first person to [ask]," he replied. "I give you credit for just outright asking the question, and I'll give myself credit for trying to invade it and avoid it entirely..."

Shawn Levy directs Deadpool & Wolverine, which stars Ryan Reynolds, Hugh Jackman, Emma Corrin, Morena Baccarin, Rob Delaney, Leslie Uggams, Karan Soni, Matthew Macfadyen, and Dafne Keen. The movie is written by Ryan Reynolds & Rhett Reese & Paul Wernick & Zeb Wells & Shawn Levy.

Kevin Feige, Reynolds, Levy and Lauren Shuler Donner produce with Louis D’Esposito, Wendy Jacobson, Mary McLaglen, Josh McLaglen, Rhett Reese, Paul Wernick, George Dewey, Simon Kinberg and Jonathon Komack Martin serving as executive producers.

Deadpool & Wolverine is now playing in theaters. 

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WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 7/29/2024, 9:21 AM
Kang had so much potential but the gravitas of Doom cannot be denied. Not super excited about the RDJ angle but I hope that they do the character justice
Amino
Amino - 7/29/2024, 10:00 AM
@WhatIfRickJames - While I absolutely agree with the sentiment, it doesn't seem possible to give Doom justice under this scenario. Even if RDJ and co. make him the best MCU villain yet, they're still disregarding his unique Latverian origin as VICTOR Von Doom and replacing it with a tortured/evil Tony Stark Variant.
FrankenDad
FrankenDad - 7/29/2024, 10:22 AM
@Amino - Do we know that, though? The Russos said “Victor Von Doom” and not “Dr. Doom”.

I really hope we don’t get a Stark variant thing because then they will have to recast it for us to get a proper Victor after the likely soft reboot following Secret Wars. Hopefully they just lean on RDJ’s ability to move between roles and it works. Hopefully.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 7/29/2024, 10:24 AM
@Amino - lol you don’t know that, so many assumptions in one sentence. Even if he is a Tony variant, they could still include his Latverian history
SATW42
SATW42 - 7/29/2024, 10:42 AM
@Amino - "disregarding his unique Latverian origin as VICTOR Von Doom and replacing it with a tortured/evil Tony Stark Variant."

we. don't. know. that.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/29/2024, 10:44 AM
@WhatIfRickJames - exactly. Doom and RDJ both have huge gravitas on their own already. RDJ as Doom is gravitas squared. Secret Wars always needed Doom, and no other actor has the same gravitas for this scenario.
ptick
ptick - 7/29/2024, 11:23 AM
@FrankenDad - I really hope this is a situation where two different people from two different universes can look the same without being variants of the same person (something made canon in the MCU multiverse thanks to D&W). So we can deal with the shock factor of those in MCU-616 seeing someone evil who looks just like Tony without being an actual Tony variant.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 7/29/2024, 11:31 AM
@ptick - Yes they can it’s been established that variants don’t look 1 to 1

This is a doom that just looks like Tony

The plot of loki season 1 is him doing a buddy trip with his female variant
ptick
ptick - 7/29/2024, 12:07 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - Yeah, I'm well aware that it's already been established that variants of the same person needn't look the same (but can!) - or even be the same species. What we hadn't had established (until D&W) was someone looking exactly like someone else from a different universe *without* being a variant of them.
ptick
ptick - 7/29/2024, 12:10 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - And, yes, I'm also aware we've had the same actor playing different parts before, like Gemma Chan, but D&W is the first instance of a character outright stating that someone from one universe looks like someone else from another universe. Until then, the multiple castings can just be chalked up to the audience seeing them that way, not necessarily the characters. (And it's definitely the characters in D&W - I know Deadpool does the whole fourth-wall break thing, but his commentary on a certain character was very clearly "in universe," not just a fourth-wall break.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 7/29/2024, 12:22 PM
@ptick - I think it breaks the flow of a movie to have characters stop and say hey you look like this person and that’s why it’s not brought up unless it’s just a 1 liner joke like Rhodes or soon Ross

I don’t even think they did it for banner in avengers
McMurdo
McMurdo - 7/29/2024, 12:38 PM
@ptick - he's a variant.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 7/29/2024, 12:40 PM
@FrankenDad - he's a Stark variant who is named Victor Von Doom in his world. You don't hire RDJ, the most popular actor of your franchise to play your multiverse villain and not take his mask off. He's 110% a variant. He's simply a variant named Victor Von Doom. But the fact that he looks like Tony Stark will absolutely be a part of the story.
ptick
ptick - 7/29/2024, 1:06 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - You're talking about two actors playing the same part, which is, again, not what I'm talking about.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 7/29/2024, 1:12 PM
@ptick - no I’m not, I’m saying it’s not a necessary thing to point out unless the story calls for it they did this so the story and characters will say wow he looks like Tony but he’s not Tony or even a variant of him
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 7/29/2024, 9:22 AM
I would absolutely love to be proven wrong, but I can't see the casting of Downey as anything other than a cowardly and panicked decision to shoehorn their Cash cow back into the universe. Downy ain't Doom, and it seems like they didn't have the balls or creativity to give us a proper Dr. Doom.

Again, prove me wrong Marvel
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/29/2024, 10:46 AM
@Izaizaiza - I think they always wanted Doom for Secret Wars and hadn't gotten to that bit of casting yet.

Proper Doom needed build-up, something they didn't have time for anymore. Quickest route is to take the actor with the biggest buzz factor.
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 7/29/2024, 12:34 PM
@bkmeijer1 - Yeah, I feel like this was a box office decision, not a creative decision. Robert Downey Jr has a great screen presence, for the right kind of character. He was perfect for Iron Man, and I would argue even elevated the character. In my own opinion, he has none of the presents needed for Doom
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/29/2024, 1:58 PM
@Izaizaiza - RDJ is a phenomenal actor, so I'm sure he'll pull it off. And with the Russos at the helm, I think they can make it work creatively as well
Fogs
Fogs - 7/29/2024, 2:38 PM
@Izaizaiza - You're right. He might even pull it off but his casting was pure desperation.
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 7/29/2024, 3:10 PM
@bkmeijer1 - I hope you are right. They are all certainly talented. I'm cautiously pessimistic 😐
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 7/29/2024, 3:11 PM
@Fogs - Yeah. Hope they pull it off, but not currently feeling great about it
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/29/2024, 3:15 PM
@Izaizaiza - I'm absolutely optimistic. I didn't like the casting at first, but now that I've starting thinking about all the possibilities I'm 100% on board. Even with the possibilities I haven't thought of yet.
Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 7/29/2024, 3:31 PM
@bkmeijer1 - Well, again, I hope you are right. If we are both still here, we should compare opinions after we've seen what they cook up 🍻
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/29/2024, 4:57 PM
@Izaizaiza - they have to come with something really shit for me not to be on board, but yeah we'll see what we think in may of 2026
bobevanz
bobevanz - 7/29/2024, 9:22 AM
I'm glad this didn't happen. Sheesh
bobevanz
bobevanz - 7/29/2024, 9:23 AM
Also I was against RDJ coming back, until I saw this video. If they tell this exact story it'll work, I'm actually really intrigued if they do. DO IT FEIGE
ItsNotForMeWahh
ItsNotForMeWahh - 7/29/2024, 10:48 AM
@bobevanz - Rob is a great guy! Always love seeing his content posted
DevilsDreams
DevilsDreams - 7/29/2024, 9:25 AM
Now I just want Deadpool to show up for cameos in the new films, dressed as Stan Lee...
Floke
Floke - 7/29/2024, 9:28 AM
Can we for the love of Oden not have him take his helmet on and of "nanobot" style? So tired of that lazy a$$ thing.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 7/29/2024, 11:44 AM
@Floke - God forbid a conqueror who moves through time should have futuristic tech
Floke
Floke - 7/29/2024, 4:15 PM
@Slotherin - "They hired [Downey] as Doom for a reason. He's gonna take his mask off. A lot."

Was refering to this. And yes, I still hate the very boring "helmet growing out from nothing". It has nothing to do with futuristic tech since everyone and their grandma seem to have the tech by now (and not just in MCU). It is uncreative, boring and it doesnt look cool.
Id rather have Victor pull out a Black&Decker and unscrew it for 5 minutes than watch yet another helmet growth spurt.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 7/29/2024, 8:11 PM
@Floke - aight, my bad.
And yeah, just for the sake of dramatic effect and that it's Doom, I would want an iron clad kinda mask as well.
Vigor
Vigor - 7/29/2024, 9:28 AM
I just need closure for the Kang story though. Please marvel don't completely sweep it under the rug
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 7/29/2024, 9:40 AM
@Vigor - I think they will deal with it in some form sooner or later

I mean we are getting the Leader back after 16-17 years so anything’s possible lol
Vigor
Vigor - 7/29/2024, 9:45 AM
@TheVisionary25 - good point !!
SATW42
SATW42 - 7/29/2024, 10:48 AM
@Vigor - I'm still fairly convinced that this is actually either how Doom will be introduced, or how we see his immense power for the first time. It'll be a post credit scene that will cut back to the council of Kangs (Disney's gunna have to just bite the bullet and pay Majors for the reuse of that footage) and Doom is gunna just annhilate them and walk away from the rubble. I had said previously I was convinced this it how they would get rid of Majors Kang and introduce the beyonder and a different actor. Now it will be Doom.

Yes, it kind of puts a damper on the whole Kang thing, but most people here hated it and were over it, so doom just wrecking house on the whole council really isn't that big of a deal when you considering most people were like "duh ant-man beat him"
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/29/2024, 10:49 AM
@Vigor - I think it'd be a great cold open if Doom shows up in the arena and just obliterates all the Kangs there.

All that's left to do then is steal the Beyonders powers. To give it some closure, they could make the Beyonder a Kang variant.
SATW42
SATW42 - 7/29/2024, 10:50 AM
@Vigor - Plus, it kind of makes Scott right at the end of quantumania when he had that sense he had done something terrible and then was like "eh its fine". You could argue in that exact moment the Kangs were unifying during his moment of dread, and then were wiped out and that's when he felt fine, lmao
JobinJ
JobinJ - 7/29/2024, 10:51 AM
@Vigor - TVA Snips the universe where all the Kangs were in the stadium cheering at the end of Ant Man. easy peasy
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