Champions Battle Poll (Final round of week 8)

Toady's fights are:
Kraven the Hunter vs Moon Knight...
Barry Allen vs Wally West...
Thor vs Superman...

Feature Opinion
By GuardianDevil - Apr 21, 2013 02:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic
Source: Fenix122

Previous battles:

Moon Knight beat Nightwing.
Ant-Man beat Atom.
Superman tied Thor.


As always be objective when voting, and use most iconic version unless otherwise stated.



Moon Knight vs Kraven the Hunter










Wally West vs Barry Allen









Superman vs Thor









Today there won't be a group battle, thanks for voting, please express your opinion in the comments and feel free to explain your decisions.
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FOOM
FOOM - 4/21/2013, 2:48 PM
MK
BA
Supes
unknownfacts
unknownfacts - 4/21/2013, 2:59 PM
Moon knight vs Kraven

Moon Knight wins his variable arsenal of weapons gives him the edge.

Flash I vs Flash II

Barry taught Wally every thing he knows.His longer experience with the speed force should give him the edge to win.

Thor vs Superman

This could go either but Superman's speed should give him the edge.
unknownfacts
unknownfacts - 4/21/2013, 3:04 PM
I meant Flash II vs Flash III.I tend to forget Jay Garrick
relentless1
relentless1 - 4/21/2013, 5:38 PM
Kraven
Barry Allen
Superman
SageMode
SageMode - 4/21/2013, 5:44 PM
BARRY ALLEN vs WALLY WEST: Wally West

Allen may have a little bit more experience than Wally, but West, IMNM, is the most powerful Flash in mainstream continuity.

THOR vs SUPERMAN Thor.

Is this a rematch? Anyway, as I've said it before, the ONLY clear cut advantage that can be proven that Supes has over Thor is speed. Other than that, they're either roughly equaled or Thor has the advantage.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/21/2013, 8:13 PM
@SageMode
Yes, it's a rematch.
JuggyPunch
JuggyPunch - 4/21/2013, 9:03 PM
only have a limited experience with the Moonnight dude, so didn't vote cuz I can't make a good decision. (see what I did y'all, when ya don't know both characters ya DONT VOTE) Wally would take Barry, I think its been established that West is the fastest Flash. Can't stand Thor (arrogant d bag) and Superman is blah, boring. So can't call mysef a fan of either one o these guys. Superman I think outclasses him in every regard except fighting skills, and like folks before have said. Thor has the skills, he just doesn't use em. (again, the loser's too full of himself)
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/21/2013, 11:39 PM
Kraven vs Moon Knight -- I'd actually give this one to Kraven. They're roughly equel in terms of strength but with Kraven's skills he's shown himself capable of taking down tougher opponents than MK.

Barry Allen vs Wally West -- this is a toughie, but I'm going with West because he's demonstrated the ability to borrow speed from other speedsters. Allen theoretically has this ability but I can't think of a time when he's ever displayed it (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that).

Superman vs Thor -- I'll always vote Thor on this one. Supes may be faster but Thor's millennia of combat experience, his ability to grow stronger with warrior's rage, and the mystical nature of his powers give him the edge. DC can amp Superman all they want to keep him competitive with other companies' powerhouses but iconic Supes vs iconic Thor = Supes' ass = kicked.
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/21/2013, 11:45 PM
PS -- it makes me laugh that folks have voted for both Thor and Superman to beat Martian Manhunter. I'd love to hear how either of them can defeat an opponent who is not only at least their equals in terms of raw strength, but who is also more intelligent, is a telepath, and can become intangible.

Anyone who can give me a logical explanation on that one, I'll bow to you as the Master of All Things Comics.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/22/2013, 12:21 AM
@LoudLon
I remember two specific arguments from both of those.

Thor has lighting (a form of fire) Jonn is afraid of fire.

Superman has heat vision (flames from the sun) Jonn is afraid of those as well.


I don't necessarily agree with these reasons, but these were the two biggest ones that came up.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/22/2013, 12:26 AM
Side note: Okay man, don't get mad. But I specifically remember you stated you think Thor would beat MMH. You've reconsidered I'm guessing? Nothing wrong with it my opinions change sometimes too everything from battle outcomes to opinions on various characters. It just sounded weird because I remember you said you voted Thor when I matched them up. Not trying to be a jerk btw.
SageMode
SageMode - 4/22/2013, 4:13 AM
As far as Martian Manhunter is concerned......

Well, Thor has shown HIGH RESISTANCE to telepathic attacks, as evident when he went up against Moondragon (whos even more powerful than Professor Xavier) and when he fought Glory (who was a being composed of the power of all the earthly skyfather gods).

Not to mention he negated Shadowcat's and Vision's intangibility before.
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/22/2013, 5:04 AM
Fenix -- I know I've said they're both the Swiss Army Knives of their respective comic universes, and I know I've said that they're both capable of beating Superman, but I don't recall ever saying that Thor would beat MMH. If I ever did say that it was because I was either drunk or high -- which in itself would be a head-scratcher considering I neither drink nor do drugs LOL

In all seriousness, though, if I ever had said that (and I honestly don't recollect ever having done so) then I've obviously changed my mind since then. As for MMH's weakness to fire, that was shown at least twenty years ago to be psychological, and he overcame it.

Sage -- Thor has high invulnerability to telepathy, but he's not completely immune to it. It does take a hugely powerful telepath to effect him -- and MMH happens to be a hugely powerful telepath (I know of at least one occasion where he telepathically linked himself to every living being on the planet). Also, while Thor may have negated Kitty Pryde and Vision's intangibility before (this must have been reasonably recent, I don't recall a time during his more iconic status where he accomplished such a thing) but neither Kitty nor Vision are anywhere even close to MMH's power level.

All that, plus MMH can turn invisible (even if you could hurt what you can't hit, you can't hit what you can't see) and his shapeshifting ability allows him to elongate his limbs giving him superior reach in a fight. But going back to the fear of fire, even if Thor's lightning did scare him, it can't hurt him if he's intangible.
SageMode
SageMode - 4/22/2013, 5:26 AM
LOUDLON

Here Thor disrupts Vision's intangibility before he can solidify himself to harm Thor...
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/22/2013, 7:35 AM
Thanks for pointing that out. Still doesn't change the fact that MMH is a crapload more powerful than Vision, though. That little trick would likely do nothing more than piss MMH off.
thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/22/2013, 10:32 AM
Thor can also transmute elements themselves . Didn't he change someone before from a solid to a gas , if so I would think he could transmute some one from an intangeable gas to a solid .
JuggyPunch
JuggyPunch - 4/22/2013, 11:23 AM
loud lon, gotta agree again. Love to hear how the thunder god beats Jonn, or Doomsday or Flash for that matter.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/22/2013, 12:07 PM
I think you guys tend to forget MMH's other abilities: Like LoudLon says he's the Swiss army knife of the JLA.

Jonn can use telepathy on Thor, Thor is resistant but not completely immune.

However if telepathy fails, Jonn can go invisible and attack Thor without being seen, if Thor can manage to negate this power...

...Jonn can turn himself intangible, put his arm through Thor and then harden it. If Thor manages to negate his Intangibilty....

Jonn can match him physically, and Jonn would most likely win in a physical fight because his blows would deal the same amount of damage and Jonn would strike more blows and they'd eventually have a cumulative effect on Thor.



There's just way too many "ifs" involved for Thor to win that.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/22/2013, 12:08 PM
@LoudLon
I specifically remember the time, but I'm not gonna hold it against you. Opinions change all the time.
thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/22/2013, 12:09 PM
This fight is against Superman so how would Superman win if Thor turned him into a gas gathered him up and put him in a jar and let the jar just float off in space .
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/22/2013, 12:24 PM
^^
Since when does Thor do that to his opponents?
thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/22/2013, 12:32 PM
I believe he has turned the absorbing man into a gas before . You guys just go on about the things Thor's opponents can do but Thor can do more with magic than most anyone .
thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/22/2013, 12:42 PM
That is why even the Silver Surfer looked into Thor's powers and what he could do with his hammer and the Silver Surfer himself said that Thor was more powerful .
FOOM
FOOM - 4/22/2013, 12:54 PM
Silver Surfer IS more powerful than Thor just as he is more powerful than J'onn and Superman.
thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/22/2013, 12:56 PM
Not according to the Silver Surfer .
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/22/2013, 1:12 PM
@FOOM
Agreed. I've always thought so, it's just that Thor is seen as Marvel's Superman, which I guess makes Silver Surfer the same as Martian Manhunter.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/22/2013, 1:15 PM
Silver Surfer is pretty much the end all when we're talking about anyone below skyfather level. I suppose you could argue Dr. Strange.
thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/22/2013, 1:16 PM
Not only that but Thor is young and he will get a lot more powerful as he grows older . Eventually he becomes more powerful than even his father Odin .
SageMode
SageMode - 4/22/2013, 11:19 PM
FENIX


LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/23/2013, 12:26 AM
@Fenix -- feel free to post a link or something where I contradict myself. As I said I don't recall ever saying that, but I don't mind being corrected. :)
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/23/2013, 11:11 AM
@LoudLon
Okay, well you asked.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Fenix122/news/?a=75008
This was one of my older match ups, scroll down to the comments.

Again, not gonna hold this against you, because my opinions changes all the time too. So it's really no big deal. :)
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/23/2013, 11:13 AM
@SageMode
Missed the point completely, I never said Thor can't do that. I said that he wouldn't, because Superman is a good guy and is noble. So Thor doesn't turn all his opponents into gas, he can doesn't mean he will.
thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/23/2013, 11:45 AM
It doesn't mean he will but if a fight started to go bad he could do that or many other things that there is just no defense against . Anyone that can give Superman a run for his money in strength , Silver Surfer a run for his money in cosmic powers , and Dr Strange a run for his money in Magic . Add to that full control over the weather and full control over the earth and being the son of two of the most powerful Gods there is it just does not get more powerful than that .
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/24/2013, 5:08 AM
@Fenix -- no problem at all. I only said I don't recall having voted Thor over MM, I wasn't denying that I never did, so it's all good. And going by the explanation I used then, I've changed my mind on Thor's ability to win once he calls in the lightning. I must have brain-farted at the time and didn't consider MM's ability to phase.

Oh, well. Wasn't the first mistake I've ever made, pretty sure it won't be the last LOL
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