How Avengers: AOU Can Still Use Hank Pym in Ultron's Origin

How Avengers: AOU Can Still Use Hank Pym in Ultron's Origin

Theory on how Ultron could be utilized in a way that not only incorporates the current Avengers, but still find a way to use Hank Pym. First editorial so yeah, y'know.

Editorial Opinion
By dirtydanwojo - Jul 23, 2013 04:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic

I don't really theorize a lot, but I had this idea from reading a couple other theories.

Back in The Avengers, Tony had JARVIS hack into SHIELD's mainframe and basically download all of their files. Now, while he may have all of their files, he probably hasn't accessed all of them yet (due to a little Extremis problem), and they've just been sitting in his database until Tony decides to look through them.

So he does, and has JARVIS start skimming them for anything interesting. All of a sudden, one file causes him to freeze up and crash entirely. When Tony reboots him to investigate, JARVIS takes control of an Iron Man suit (because come on, why would Tony not have rebuilt at least one by now) and attacks Tony, before flying away, locking Tony out of his system.

Poster I made real quick


Cue Avengers butt-kicking, having to battle a highly-advanced artificial intelligence which has virtually all available information on all of them. Somehow, they win; I don't know how, that's not the point of this theory.

After-credits scene has Tony and Bruce finally opening up the remains of JARVIS/Ultron and tracking down the file that corrupted him. There's not much left, but they're able to get the name of the SHIELD scientist who made the file: Dr. Henry Pym.

This doesn't automatically mean Pym's evil, just that he wrote some kind of code (maybe another AI entirely) and didn't expect JARVIS to be opening it up. Perhaps after he wrote it, it crashed SHIELD's computers, and after they got up and running again he was fired and the file was encrypted so as not to cause any more trouble, until Tony Stark dug it up.

From what I can see, this seems to be a way to not only respect the origin of Pym creating Ultron (which was always weird, considering his specialty in particle physics never alluded to an ability to program highly-advanced AI), but also fit with everything we know about the film so far: that Ultron came about as a result of the Avengers themselves (since Tony never would have hacked into SHIELD in the first place if not for the events of the first film), and while Pym's not directly "in the mix," he still has a vital hand in Ultron's birth.

Then again, this confidence might just be pride in my own idea talking, so let me know what you think, and have a great day, please.

-Dan
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marvel72
marvel72 - 7/23/2013, 5:12 PM
yeah sounds pretty good,this is what i think marvel studios should do?

-the avengers age of ultron

ultron comes from the future to the present to take on the avengers,no origin told.

-ant-man

whatever storyline they've got planned go ahead with it but fit in throughout the movie pym working on a secret project in his lab.

fury/coulson asks pym if he wants to join the avengers,he basically says yes,then back down into his lab for a bit more tinkering & he lifts off the work bench the head of ultron.

so the audience realize that pym has just joined the avengers & is also responsible for one of their greatest enemies.
BANE5000
BANE5000 - 7/23/2013, 6:37 PM
Im just wondering and waiting to see how Ultron fits into Whedons previous comments about maiking the film smaller and more painfull and personal to the members of The Avengers and that someone will in fact die.

Still say the tag line for the film should go something like this..." First, they assembled to save the world, Now the must unite to save eachother..." :D
GarMogoth
GarMogoth - 7/24/2013, 1:10 AM
I have another idea, how they could use Pym as the creator. Someone in Avenders 2 will ask Stark(or whoever created Ultron) where did he get that idea. "I found it in a drawer."
In Ant-Man(where the main character will be Lang), we see Pym in flashback making Ultron 1.0(maybe just some blueprints or something), but he changes his mind and puts it in a drawer.
wookiefit
wookiefit - 7/24/2013, 4:23 PM
Wow! I was just talking to someone else about this very idea. Don't forget, in The Avengers, Agent Coulson says something to the affect that they collected the Destroy's parts and used the tech to build weapons like the gun he used on Loki.



So if you take Destroyer



Add Iron Man Mach 2



Add a virus into Jarvis or something to do with Capt America 2 which supposedly leads into Avengers 2 you could get

wookiefit
wookiefit - 7/24/2013, 4:26 PM
Now, If Ultron is in Stark Towers, he could build Vision like in the books.





Using Original Human Torch which was in Captain America and built by Howard Stark



Maybe Capt America will have a flash back with the Invaders to remind the audience.

mook
mook - 7/25/2013, 1:12 AM
@Dan A great idea that would make sense in terms of what has already been established in the MCU (Stark is a genius who has created AI and metal suits etc), what happened in 'The Avengers' (downloaded files) and also respecting comics history (Pym creating Ultron).

It could also tie into what I hope they do with the Ant-Man film; http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/SuperheroSpeculation/news/?a=80908
mook
mook - 7/29/2013, 1:18 AM
From IGN.com;
"Pym wasn’t revealed as Ultron’s creator until after his debut in the Avengers comics. While that sort of retroactive flashback storytelling doesn’t lend itself as well to film as it does to comics, it’s possible that the Ant-Man movie could ultimately reveal that Pym (inadvertently) created Ultron. It’d be a heck of a character beat, knowing that all that (probable) destruction caused by Ultron in Avengers 2 was essentially his fault."
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