Parallels Between Batman Comics and Nolan's (Amazing!) Films

Parallels Between Batman Comics and Nolan's (Amazing!) Films

We know Christopher Nolan (at least partly) draws his inspiration from Batman comics, but how closely does he follow the story arcs?

Editorial Opinion
By ImNoSuperMan - Jun 24, 2012 08:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic
Source: wikipedia.com, personal knowledge

As we CBMers look to the movie wonder that will be Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises, I (like many others) am trying to guess at the plot of the film. Knowing that Christopher Nolan draws his inspiration (at least somewhat) from Batman comics, I decided to check into his known and most-likely sources to see if I could anticipate any key points in the final story arc of the Nolanverse.
I looked over the credited comic books attributed to Batman Begins' storyline (Batman: Year One by Frank Miller and Batman: The Man Who Falls by Dennis O'Neil) and there are obvious connections. Looking to Batman: The Long Halloween and Batman: Dark Victory, both by Jeph Loeb, I found they also hinted towards both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. I also feel the ton set by the trailers and tv spots for The Dark Knight Rises hint at a The Dark Knight Returns vibe, so I looked there too. These are my findings and some imaginative speculation concerning the third and final installment in what has been an amazing CBM experience.


-A young Bruce Wayne falling down a hole on the grounds of Wayne Manor. Bats begin to swarm towards him and out the hole. Bruce's father, Dr. Thomas Wayne, rescues Bruce (Batman: The Man Who Falls)

-Bruce is haunted by images of bats (Batman: Year One, Batman: The Man Who Falls)

-Bruce leaves Gotham City to explore and obtain skills in martial arts and forensics (Batman: Year One, Batman: The Man Who Falls)

-Bruce's parent's are killed by a random mugger after a night @ the theater (all of the comics mentioned above)

- Bruce trains at a monastery, hidden in a mountainous region and after nearly a year of training his master tells Bruce he has exceptional intelligence and physique, but he has a fatal flaw that will prove his demise (Batman: The Man Who Falls)

- Bruce trains with a man named Henri Ducard, who shows him "the uses of brutality, deception and cunning." But when Ducard kills a fugitive he had been tracking one night, Bruce abandons his training, disgusted (Batman: The Man Who Falls)

-Bruce has to find a symbol and realizes he is going to need special tools and gadgets to help in his war on crime (Batman: Year One, Batman: The Man Who Falls)

-Bruce returns to Gotham to promote justice in his way and, modeling himself after the recurring images of bats, creates his costumed identity: the Batman (Batman: Year One,Batman: The Man Who Falls)

-At his initial appearance he contacts Lt. James Gordon and the two form an uneasy relationship (Batman: Year One)

-Gordon has an illogical trust in Batman, while others view him as a menace and threat (Batman: Year One, Long Halloween, Dark Victory)

-Batman starts out with an array of gadgets and, while they are limited, he is constantly adding to his arsenal (Batman: Year One, Long Halloween, Dark Victory)

-There is a slight focus on Gordon and his family (Batman: Year One)

-Falcone and Carmine are prominent in the film (Batman: Year One, Long Halloween, Dark Victory)

-Gordon is fighting against corruption, in the city as well as in the police department (Batman: Year One, Long Halloween, Dark Victory)

-Gordon is not yet Commissioner, but is an active Lt. (Batman: Year One, Long Halloween)

-Batman gets his @$$ handed to him a few times, both pre-costume and post (Batman: Year One)

-Dect. Flass is a corrupt cop both Batman and Gordon have dealings with (Batman: Year One)

-Scarecrow makes various appearances and is an antagonist in sub-plots (Long Halloween, Dark Victory, KnightFall)

-Batman has a tank-like Batmobile (TDKReturns)

-Batman takes down The Roman and ties him to something (a bed in the comics, a searchlight in Batman Begins) as a message to Gotham's underbelly (Batman: Year One)

-Batman has to save Gordon's family (Batman: Year One)

-While being cornered by the GCPD at Arkham Asylum, Batman uses a high-frequency device to attract his bats from the cave, allowing him to escape (Long Halloween)

-The concluding scene where Batman and Gordon are on top of the police headquarters continues, to an extent, the final page of the graphic novel where newly promoted Jim Gordon uses the Bat-Signal to summon Batman. When he arrives, Gordon announces the coming of a new threat: The Joker (Batman: Year One)

-Batman, Gordon, and Harvey Dent talking on the roof of the Gotham City Police Department (Long Halloween)

-The three enter a pact to end Falcone's reign by bending the rules if necessary, but never breaking them (Long Halloween)

-Gordon's line "he does that" to Dent when Batman disappears from the conversation in the middle of Dent's sentence (Long Halloween)

-Harvey Dent has a witness draws a gun on him (reminiscent of the acid thrown on his face in the comics) and later becomes Two-Face (Long Halloween)

-Batman considers Dent Gotham's true hope, but is depressed when circumstances lead to his fall from grace ( Long Halloween, Dark Victory)

-In the comic Dent and Batman discover mountains of cash and destroy it, while in the film it is the Joker who destroys a pile of the mob's cash (Long Halloween)

-Dent and his lover are threatened by Joker to be blown asunder, with Dent surviving and his lover perishing in the explosions, though his wife survives in the comic (Long Halloween)

-Harvey Dent is a fierce threat to Gotham's underworld and the corruption in the city's political field (Long Halloween)

-As Two-Face, Dent has an obsession with taking down the mob anyway possible

-Joker plays Dent and others to create chaos in Gotham (Long Halloween, Dark Victory)

-Joker, more or less, takes the role of Holiday (Long Halloween)

-Batman is forced to put his war on the mob on hold to stop the Joker's reign of terror in Gotham (Long Halloween, Dark Victory)

-Unlike the book, Sal Maroni is not "directly" responsible for Harvey's facial scars, but Maroni is also considered the culprit as he 'unleashed' the Joker. This is the version Dent chooses to believe, as he is later seen confronting Maroni, holding him responsible for the Joker's actions (Dark Victory)

-Two-Face goes on a mission to take down anyone connected to his current plight and lets fate decide if they are to live or die (Long Halloween, Dark Victory)

-Batman disguises himself as a helmeted bodyguard to ambush Holiday is mirrored in The Dark Knight, with the decoy bodyguard being Gordon, the 'transfer' being Harvey instead of Maroni, and the target being the Joker instead of Holiday (Dark Victory)

-Batman pursuing Two-Face being stands a sort of mock trial (TDKReturns)

-Joker is responsible, more or less, for Dent's presumed death (Dark Victory)

-Batman is now Public Enemy #1 (Batman: Year One, Dark Victory)

-Bruce blames himself for letting Harvey go beyond saving and become a villain (Dark Victory)

-Batman becomes even more of a loner (Dark Victory, TDKReturns)

-Catwoman may have a personal vendetta towards the mob and may even be related to one of the heads (Long Halloween, Dark Victory)

- Bruce Wayne has voluntarily retired from crime fighting (TDKReturns)

-It has been years (close to a decade) since the last sighting of the Bat (TDKReturns)

-The return of an old enemy/new threat prompts a now older Wayne to don the Batman costume once again (TDKReturns)

-Catwoman will play a vital role in the 3rd film, possibly filling both her role and that of Carrey Kelly/Girl-Robin/Catgirl (all comics mentioned above)

-The international, master criminal Bane frees all of the maximum-security inmates of Arkham Asylum, a notorious psychiatric facility in Gotham City. Aware that he would lose in a direct assault against Batman, Bane's plan consists of weakening Batman by forcing him to deal with the deadly villains simultaneously (KnightFall)

-Bane has possible connections with the League of Shadows (In Batman: Legacy Bane is allies with al Ghul) and means to carry out the Demon Head's mission of total destruction of Gotham and subsequently Batman.

-Bane had deduced the secret identity of Batman (Knightfall)

-Bane beats Batman mercilessly before "breaking" Batman, saying, "When Gotham falls, then you have my permission to die"(Knightfall; quote from The Dark Knight Rises trailer)

-To rehabilitate his skills, Bruce asks the famed assassin Lady Shiva (possibly Talia as Ghul in The Dark Knight Rises film) to retrain him. Instead, Shiva pits Bruce against several vengeful expert martial artists. Shiva's caveat is that these attacks will continue indefinitely until Bruce Wayne breaks his vow to never kill. If Talia fills this role her motive could be that when he does kill, he will have no reason NOT to join up with the League of Shadows and fulfill the mission of the Demon's Head, Ra's al Ghul (Knightfall and following story arcs)

-During Batman's absence a new "Batman"/Batmen has appeared to confront the vile Gotham underbelly (KnighFall and following arcs, TDKReturns, and Batman Beyond)

-After the events of KnightFall, Batman begins to rely on others in his war, including the possible future where Terry Dawes becomes the futuristic Batman. In the film, John Blake could be a cross between Robin/Nightwing and Terry's Batman, having the film ending with him as Batman and Wayne his guide. Reminiscent of Wayne's statement that "Gotham will ALWAYS need a Batman."

-As in the comics, it is possible Harvey "Two-Face" Dent will seemingly return (TDKReturns)


The DC comic titles, Batman: The Man Who Falls, Batman: Year One, Batman: The Long Halloween, Batman: Dark Victory, Knightfall, and The Dark Knight Rises as they correlate to Nolan's films, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises.

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TonyChu
TonyChu - 6/24/2012, 9:28 PM
Great Article! But if I was you I would take out the amazing in your title before you get branded a noloanite.
RunDTC
RunDTC - 6/24/2012, 9:53 PM
@JokerFanHAHAHA: While I agree that you could take either side on the debate if Batman killed Ra's, he didn't kill Dent. He dove for Dent and Gordon's son, and Dent fell. Batman was not trying to kill him. Dent was his friend, despite his sudden change in personality.
ImNoSuperMan
ImNoSuperMan - 6/24/2012, 9:54 PM
@Tony: haha! I do respect his films and I think he has a lot of chops, I am not a Nolanite.

@ JokerFan and Goomba: I did not know that. Last I heard he actually attributed his inspiration to the comics I mentioned.
LoudNoises
LoudNoises - 6/24/2012, 9:59 PM
This "source material is irrelevant" quote is something fanboys are going to hold onto forever. If he meant that the comics were of no use to him what so ever then all the similarities @ImNoSuperMan listed in this article would be nothing more than mere coincidence. And that's a whole lot of coincidence.
YakeTheSnake
YakeTheSnake - 6/24/2012, 10:02 PM
@ImNoSuperMan: Kind of reworded the same plot points there a few times...
ImNoSuperMan
ImNoSuperMan - 6/24/2012, 10:51 PM
@Heiro: Such as?
YakeTheSnake
YakeTheSnake - 6/24/2012, 11:18 PM
@ImNoSuperMan:
All of the training plot points. It just looks like you were trying to inflate the list. I'm not saying that's what you did, just what it looks like (at least to me). But, you did make fantastic connections. While I do recall the "source material is irrelevant" quote, I must agree with @LoudNoises. If he really didn't get his inspiration from the comics, those are some incredible coincidences...
Also, it's hard to convey in writing, but no disrespect was meant. Looking at my comment, I sound like an @ss. It was just an observation that only made me sound like a poopface (Oh yes, I went there)...
forthesakeofnow
forthesakeofnow - 6/25/2012, 2:04 AM
These two articles do it even better, with scans from the comics and frames from the films.


Batman begins
http://gothamalleys.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/comic-book-references-in-movies-part-v.html

The dark Knight
http://gothamalleys.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/comic-book-references-in-movies-part-vi.html
TheMyth
TheMyth - 6/25/2012, 2:04 AM
Mothra, lmao really? You are one of the dumbest [frick]s on this site and I'm not far from just expunging you totally so none of us have to bear your stupidity any longer.

ImNoSuperman, It's true they had an article about it a few weeks back, Nolan says straight up that the comics are irrelevant... though I don't translate that like some do. Not too mention the fact that TDK was OBVIOUSLY amalgamated from Killing Joke and Long Halloween. I think what he meant was you can't enslave yourself to the source.

I can do this same thing you've done with all the X-Men movies up to and including FC, and it is neat to see all these connections, most of them were made by the screenwriter, not the director. You think Nolan knows who the [frick] Det. Flass was? No, it was just a scripted character most likely to him.
KryptoGuy
KryptoGuy - 6/25/2012, 3:35 AM
@forthesakeofnow - those two links are [frick]ing boss.
KryptoGuy
KryptoGuy - 6/25/2012, 3:41 AM
Also , may I just say I have never read a Batman comic but I loved the films (regardless of whether they were close to source material or not) and this article and @forthesakeofnow's links have opened my eyes to how close Nolan actually is to the source material. Amazing.
forthesakeofnow
forthesakeofnow - 6/25/2012, 4:36 AM
@KryptoGuy

haha yeah they are arent they. makes me laugh when people say Nolan doesnt use the source material, he might think it is irrelevant in terms of story telling but he uses a ridicilous number of references.

if anything an article on here should be made linking to those pages.
RunDTC
RunDTC - 6/25/2012, 5:59 AM
@KryptoGuy: whoa, waitaminute....you've never read a Batman comic?
KryptoGuy
KryptoGuy - 6/25/2012, 7:01 AM
RunDTC - honestly, no I haven't. It's not just Batman, all comics in general. I'm not a massive comic book fan. Just a massive movie fan. I'm still young and I'm fairly new to all this really, obviously I've known of Batman, Superman and others but only in the last couple of years have I taken a big interest in them. So I've just done loads of research on them and other major characters, but never got round to reading lots of comics. If I had the opportunity I'm sure I'd read them all day long.

forthesakeofnow - yeah well, I'm not gonna lie I had no idea there were so many references. Bookmarked the pages and ready to use against anyone who says Nolan doesn't use source material.
golden123
golden123 - 6/25/2012, 7:15 AM
"His initial appearance and Gordon's arrival to Gotham are in the same time frame (Batman: Year One)"
Actually, Gordon worked the night of Bruce's parents death, and Scarecrow was not in Year One.
golden123
golden123 - 6/25/2012, 7:23 AM
@KryptoGuy: You might be able to find comic books at your local library. Book stores such as "Barnes & Nobles" and "Books a Million" carry comic books. There are plenty of online comic book stores. These are just a few suggestions.
RunDTC
RunDTC - 6/25/2012, 7:30 AM
@KryptoGuy: well if you'd like some suggestions for good comics, here are some:
Watchmen
Batman: The Long Halloween
Batman: Dark Victory
The Killing Joke
Batman: Year One
X-Men: Messiah Complex
Identity Crisis
Justice
Kingdom Come
Superman: Red Son
Batman: A Death in the Family
Batman: Hush
Batman: Under the Red Hood
Green Lantern: First Flight
Green Lantern: Sinestro Corps War
X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills
Batman: War Games
Arkham Asylum
Iron Man: Extremis
Iron Man: Demon in the Bottle
Iron Man: Armor Wars
The New Avengers (when they reformed the team after Disassembled)
Daredevil: Guardian Devil
Superman: Our Worlds at War
Brubaker's run on Captain America
forthesakeofnow
forthesakeofnow - 6/25/2012, 8:22 AM
@KryptoGuy

im not really all that into comics either to be honest. a few of my mates are huge into it and i have a mate who works in a comic shop who has told me what to read but the only thing i would/do recomend is

"Arkham asylum, a serious house on serious earth"

im not a fan of cartoony style but the art work and story in that one is incredible. everything else, year one, killing joke ect hasnt really interested me or stood out at all
95
95 - 6/25/2012, 8:26 AM
It's the greatest Batman films, ever.
RealDCGuy
RealDCGuy - 6/25/2012, 8:48 AM
It's sticking close to the source material that matters, It's giving respect to it by providing a good interpretation via a good story. Would the Ultimate Spiderman show still be shitty if it stuck closer to the comics, Yes it would. Bacause it's problems arent the deviation's it's made bu shitty writing. Would the Catwoman movie still be shit if it stuck closer to the comics, yes it would because it's problem was it had producers too stupid to notice shitty ideas in the script.

Nolan Interprets Batman, He's not adapting. He isnt using one particular storyline, he's using several and interpreting it's core concepts and ideas into a movie. People boast Marvel is sticking close to the source material, when the movies themselves have quite a few deviations from the comics as well. If you want to stick close to just the comics, you arent making a real adaptation to movies, you're making a carbon copy. Go read the comics instead.

And really, Why would anyone think that Batman wouldnt be blaming himself for Dent's death? The memorial for Dent is being held in his own damned manor in the Dark Knight Rises, Of course he feels guilty. It's not like he had time to lament and brood in the last 53 seconds of the the Dark Knight(Duh, He's not that big a moron). Why do you suppose he even thought of retirement between the 8 year gap?
ImNoSuperMan
ImNoSuperMan - 6/25/2012, 9:48 AM
@Hiero: I totally get where you are coming from man. This is just my first artivle, so I am WANTING feedback so I can make it better, learn and move forward. I actually appreciate the honesty.

@forthesake: While I think it was a tad trollish of you to post another's articles in the comments section, I will take it as healthy feedback. I didn't include all the pics and whatnot because I didn't think it was necessary.

@TheMyth: Nolan IS the screenwritter for his films. Well, he and his brother.

@KryptoGuy: WHAT?!?!?!?!?!? You poor soul! The comics are always better than the films! Read some of Run's list. A very good selection.

@golden: Oh yeah! I forgot he was the guy who comforted young Bruce in Batman Begins and it was a editing error that I included Batman: Year One in Scarecrow's appearance list.
TheMyth
TheMyth - 6/25/2012, 10:27 AM
Here is how screenwriting with Nolan likely goes: you do the work, then he comes by or calls every few days, you update him, he likes or declines key points, you make improvements/changes based on his authority. I've seen/read enough interviews with Nolan to know this is the likely scenario, otherwise why would he need his brother to write? Because he loves his family and wants to keep them in work? No, because one has the genius imagination, and the other the genius vision to see it through. His comments about disregarding the comics and not reading them alone proves he doesn't have as much input in that process as you'd think.
KryptoGuy
KryptoGuy - 6/25/2012, 1:09 PM
Golden123, forthesakeofnow, Run - Thanks a lot fellas. however in the UK we're not as fortunate as you guys! No comic book stores anywhere near I live! Not close anyway! I'll have to see what I can dig up online.
forthesakeofnow
forthesakeofnow - 6/25/2012, 2:03 PM
@ImNoSuperMan

im sorry if it seemed that way, as that was never the intention. reading it i just thought "im sure ive heard this kind of thing before" and spend ages trying to find the article i had read. and just thought considering comics and films are both visual mediums that the pics helped alot more than text.

if that is considered "trolling" then im not completely sure what trolling is.
forthesakeofnow
forthesakeofnow - 6/25/2012, 2:04 PM
@KryptoGuy

im in the UK as well. u just got to know where to look, and the internet pretty much makes location irrespective in terms of getting hold of stuff lol
RunDTC
RunDTC - 6/25/2012, 2:08 PM
@KryptoGuy: I get mine from the library. you should check there.
KryptoGuy
KryptoGuy - 6/25/2012, 2:22 PM
Thanks guys!
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/25/2012, 6:17 PM
Im with Jokerfan. It always bothered me that he let Ras die. in the comics he would never have let even his worse.enemy die if he had a chance to.save them. Perfect example: bats could have let Joker die about 6 million times in the comics over the yeara, but he has always saved him.

Jokerfan is right, letting Ras die when he could have saved him goea against Batman's entire character.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/25/2012, 8:58 PM
@ rundtc

Man, you have great taste in comics. I cant argue with any of those. I would have included Marvel's Earth-X though. Its a must read for any Marvel fan. :)
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