The Dark Knight Fails to Rise

The Dark Knight Fails to Rise

The Dark Knight Rises is an interesting movie. While there were many endearing moments, the movie ultimately fails to live up to the standards the first two Batman movies set. Let's take a look at all the reasons The Dark Knight Rises didn't really rise above the first two movies.

Editorial Opinion
By thele - Aug 10, 2012 08:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic
Source: The Le

The Dark Knight Rises is an interesting movie. While there were many endearing moments, the movie ultimately fails to live up to the standards the first two Batman movies set. It's not hard to pinpoint what went wrong with the Dark Knight Rises, but what's troubling is that there are a lot of issues. Head Honcho Christopher Nolan certainly made a definitive Batman Trilogy for himself, but he sacrificed storytelling to do it.

Warning: This article contains many spoilers for The Dark Knight Rises, so be warned. If you haven't seen the movie, this will totally ruin it for you.

BANE'S JOKE

As a villain, Bane isn't bad choice. He's evil, he's physically strong, and he's got a plan. But look deeper at the character and you have some serious problems with him. He's intelligent. We get that. He pretended to be caught with a bag on his head so he can infiltrate his enemies. Cool. Wait, didn't the Joker do that in the second movie? Yes. Yes he did (albeit the Joker pretended to be dead). Bane did off-the-wall things that didn't make sense until after all the pieces came together. Again, he was exactly like the Joker. So rather than creating a unique character, Christopher Nolan simply created a clone of the Joker with less purple.

BANE'S STRENGTH
The Bane from the comic books is a powerful guy that uses drugs to enhance himself. Nolan's Bane had no such thing (as far as we could tell). Nope – Bane’s just a strong guy with an asthma problem (hence his Oxygen mask), yet for no reason he is able to take blow after blow from Batman (even though Batman has mechanically enhanced strength that allows him to kick through brick walls).

It just didn't make sense. Is Bane an intelligent villain or a super powered villain? Apparently he's both, but it doesn't fit into the Nolan trilogy at all. I understand the need to make a convincing Villain, but Bane doesn't fit in a trilogy that's featured a super intelligent Joker, smart mobster Falcone, psychotic-yet-sane Scarecrow, and master mind Ra’s Al Ghul.

Bane as a villain felt cartoon-y when compared to the other villains in the trilogy.

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BANE'S VOICE
It must be mentioned that Bane's voice was a serious distraction from a serious movie. I'm aware that Tom Hardy re-recorded all of his voice-overs between the original trailer and the final movie (to make Bane easier to understand), but what the hell is up with the Sean Connery voice? The voice literally downgraded Bane from a "Batman Villain" to a rejected "James Bond Villain".

Seriously, close your eyes and think about Batman's voice and Bane's voice. Now image this dialog:

Christian-Bale-Batman: Do you expect me to talk?
Tom-Hardy-Bane: No, Mr. Wayne. I expect you to die!

BANE, THE HENCHMAN
I thought the final twist at the end, with the daughter of Ra’s Al Ghul, was great. It was fun twist that I didn't see coming at all. But the moment that happens, Bane went from villain #1 to a glorified henchmen. That's not a huge problem, as long as he's still threat. But he wasn't. He literally gets shot 2 minutes later by the Bat-Bike.

A major villain deserves a major conclusion, and we didn't get it here. It reminds of the lame wrap up of the Scarecrow in second movie, or how Count Dooku is unceremoniously killed in the first 10 minutes of Star Wars Episode 3. Even Samuel L. Jackson get a better send off in that shark movie.

Bane's ending came dangerously close to an off-screen death, and it's not what he deserved. I get that he's a glorified henchmen, but even they get better deaths in other movies -- a good example is Karl, the blond henchmen from Die Hard (he's killed twice, the first time by getting hung by the neck by McClane).

PRISON
There's a lot of time spent on the "Bruce Wayne in Prison"... a lot of wasted time. Ultimately it served three purposes.
(1) Allow Gotham City to be imprisoned for 3 months
(2) Allow the Dark Knight to "rise"
(3) Introduce "the child of Ra’s Al Ghul"

But all three points could have been served elsewhere. There was absolutely no need for the prison scene at all. It was a waste of time for very little payout. Consider this:
(1) The story would have been stronger if it unfolded in a matter of 3 days rather than 3 months.
(2) Batman's already been out-of-commission for 8 years and "rose" once already when he came out of retirement. Do we really need to see him "rise" again?
(3) The child of Ra’s Al Ghul was unneeded. We didn't need to know it. We didn't know the mystery of the Joker's origin, and that turned out to be a great movie, so why all the back story here?

Simply put, they should have cut out the entire prison scene and refocused on the story.

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WHERE'S BATMAN?
Seriously, where is he? The first 1/3 of the movie is spent "catching us up" on the events of the past 8 years. There's a Dent act, Wayne Enterprises is in trouble, and the Batman hasn't been seen since Dent died. That's an awful lot to force on an audience that's been watching the story of Bruce Wayne unfold in-real-time up to now. It's as if Nolan didn't know how to pick up where The Dark Knight left off, so he jumped into the future to tell his story. It may work for Mad Men, but it didn't work here (and Mad Men gets more than 3 hours to make it work).

And even more egregious is the fact that The Dark Knight himself is pretty lame when he is on screen. The smart detective with lots of rich gadgets was turned into a punching brute with brand new helicopter. Are we really to believe that a character like Batman will blindly follow Catwoman into a trap? The scene went something like this:

Batman: Take me to Bane.
Catwoman: Okey, just walk next to me.
Batman: Are you going to double cross me?
Catwoman: I was in the Devil Wears Prada.
Batman: Good enough for me. Let's go.

I suppose it's not all bad. Batman did carry some sort of EMP-rifle and really lame smoke bombs… and a Batplane. Let's not forget about the Batplane. It's just too bad that we spent more time watching the Batplane than Batman himself. The entire last 15-minute climax wasn’t about Batman – it was about the Batplane. And once you take focus off of the main character, you lose the audience.

COPYING ITSELF
I've already mentioned that Bane is essentially a copy of the Joker, but with Andre-The-Giant-Like super strength, yet that's not the only copying that Nolan did. There were many moments that just made me feel like I've seen this movie before.
•Gotham City exits cut off? Dark Knight did that.
•League of Shadows destroying city? Batman Begins did that.
•Weapon that can destroy the entire city? Batman Begins did that.
•BatPlane saves the day by carrying away the killing device? Tim Burton's Batman did that. And that version of the Batplane had scissors.
•Bane pretending to get captured? Dark Knight did that.
•Big motorcycle scene? Dark Knight did that.
•Kangaroo judge and jury court? Actually, the first episode of Star Trek the Next Generation did that.

There's nothing wrong with taking ideas from other sources -- it happens all the time. However, borrowing so heavily from oneself is simply a sign of “lack of creativity.”

SUSPENSION OF BELIEF, REALLY?
An overall problem with the Dark Knight Rises is the suspension of belief. There are lots of things that just didn't make much sense that harms the overall story. Let's take a look at some of the head scratching things.

1) Jim Gordon wants to "tell the truth" at the press conference but changes his mind and sticks the letter back into his pocket. With a dozen microphones and hundreds of people... no one noticed this? Kim Kardashian gets a gray hair and the even my grandmother notices, but NO ONE notices what Jim Gordon said or what he had in his hands? Really?

2) Half a dozen people die in the Stock exchange, and the motorcycle villains have hostages, but the police let them go to catch Batman? Really?

3) Bruce Wayne knows his fingerprints got stolen, and it didn't occur to him that it could be used to screw his company? Really? This is the super smart billionaire-detective? My cat saw that one coming, and her brain’s smaller than an 8-track tape (for you younger readers confused by my terminology, you can go here.

4) Bane and company was able to find Batman's secret Armory, but couldn't find the power generator? Really?

5) Batman wants to clean up the streets so he disappears for 8 years? Really?

6) The master plan was to bankrupt Wayne Enterprises in hopes that the daughter of Ra’s Al Ghul is voted into power, in order to find the power generator that may or may not exist? Really? It's almost as lame as Quantum of Solace's plot (an evil organization overthrows a government in order to sell back its water to them, and only 007 can stop them!).

7) My leg gets broken and I'm in rehab for 5 months. Bruce Wayne's back gets snapped, and he has a full recovery in 3 months without a real doctor? Really?

8) Hundreds of police march in formation to the prison/court to confront the bad guys, seemingly unarmed. You couldn't even walk in single file to hide your numbers? Really? You're just going to line up like target practice against thousands of people with AK-47s? Really?

9) Defensive bad guys firing AK-47s at charging-unarmed-police... and only about 4 of them die before getting in close enough for hand-to-hand combat? Really?

10) After 3 months trapped underground, the police waltz out... in the cleanest uniforms I've ever seen. Really?

11) Three months cut off from the world and Gotham has almost no trash in the streets. Really?

12) Batman, with cybernetic exoskeleton, gets his ass kicked by Bane, but 3 months in prison (after his back was broken) suddenly makes him stronger than bane? Really?

CONCLUSION
Don't get me wrong, there’s much to like about The Dark Knight Rises. Catwoman was surprisingly good, the child of Ra’s Al Ghul was a surprise, and Blake (aka "Robin") was easily the star of the show. Even the very ending of the movie was a pleasant surprise, especially with the Bat-cave scene.

The Dark Knight rises had an appropriate send-off for the trilogy, but the journey to that ending was just a mess. While the individual parts of the movie were good, it didn't mesh well together as a whole -- it's as if it was written by dozens of writers without a proper project lead.

If you think about the progression of Batman Begins and the tight storyline of the Dark Knight, it's easy to see why the Dark Knight Rises fails to live up to the first two movies. Clearly Christopher Nolan was more interested in finishing his Trilogy rather than telling a single good story. When your idea becomes more important than the method used to make that idea a reality... well, you end up with this kind of mess.

Next time (if there is one), Nolan needs to step back and just refocus on a better story... because less would have been more.

The Le is freelance writer and owner of the HeroClix World Fansite. His motto: Live Long and Be Fabulous!
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awesomem131
awesomem131 - 8/10/2012, 8:58 AM
This was a very fun read and you took the words right out my mouth.
thele
thele - 8/10/2012, 9:07 AM
If you like this article, please consider click the red THUMBS UP icon above (to the left). My understanding is that popular articles will be featured on the front page.

(Thanks for the kind words, awesomem131 and TheLoveDoc . I spent a lot of time putting this article together.)
GoILL
GoILL - 8/10/2012, 9:17 AM
Another one of these...FML.
TheLoveDoc
TheLoveDoc - 8/10/2012, 9:23 AM
Nevermind, here you go.
Suspension of desbelief:
1.Nobody knew what he meant except the audienece. He also obviously felt bad for a man that had done so much for the city and is wanted for something he didn't do. But at the end of the day, he didn't say anything.

2. John Blake has a problem with this too. However, all of the criminals were stopped by Batman, except for Bane.However, Foley wanted to prove he was better than Gordon, and also wanted to stop the man responsible for killing Harvey.

3.He obviously tried to stop them, but he didn't get there in time. You know, the device that Bane had at the stock exchange.

4.As soon as you know Bruce is Batman, it wouldn't be hard to find ou where the weapons are. They would have gone there regardless since it is a weapons program.

5. If you watched TDK, you would understand why he did it. And after the Dent Act, Gotham was better without Batman.

6. It wasn't so Talia could get in power. It was so Dagget could, and then she could gain control of the enerhy project that, last time I checked, was never considered something to be fake.

7. He popped it back into socket, which takes less time to heal.

8.Hiding your numbers is a waste of time, Bane knew how many cops there where. The cops had no choice but to sieze them and overwhelm them.

9. They were untrained thugs, and not all of them had guns.

10. They weren't the "cleanest", but they not doubt tried to keep them decently clean underground, especially after they got out.

11. They did have some trash in the streets, but most people stayed in dorrs away from the thugs.

12. He came back stronger and motivated. If you watch the scene when Alfred says he is leaving it is a true testament to why Bruce lost.
TheLoveDoc
TheLoveDoc - 8/10/2012, 9:28 AM
Prison:
1. That would be unrealistic
2. Batman didn't rise after coming out of retirment. Watch the scene when Alfred left Bruce.
3. It was Bane's prison, and Bruce wanted to know more about Bane so he could beat him.

As far as Bane goes, thats your opinion of the character really. And ye, many plot points could be considered copied, but to the slightest bit.

Beside that, I do like the fact he had a well written article.
dezdigi
dezdigi - 8/10/2012, 9:31 AM
May I refer you to a previous editorial?

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_movies/news/?a=65360
LoudNoises
LoudNoises - 8/10/2012, 9:44 AM
Learn what a plot hole is. 90% of the plot holes you listed are in no way a plot hole. Your grasping at straws. It's a movie. Your only requirement is to sit and be entertained. Articles like this make it sound like you went into the movie with a pen and paper and scrambled to write down every flaw you could possibly squeeze out. It's perfectly fine if you didn't care for the movie. But it doesn't do much for your credibility as an honest critic when you complain about some of the most trivial details in a movie. Sounds more like you had a clear agenda to destroy the movie before you even saw it.
thele
thele - 8/10/2012, 9:57 AM
Disclaimer: This article was originally intended for a different website, submitted back in July. It was rejected specifically because the website didn't want to upset DC comics, which it does business with. Rather than rewriting the article to follow their new "positive articles only" edict, I decided to present it here instead, as-is.

I couldn't care less if someone else submitted a "Dark Knight" article first. It doesn't lessen the impact of my article or the other freelancer's article.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/10/2012, 10:09 AM
You're complaining about trash in the streets? Really?

Knowing this, its no wonder you have all this hate for the movie.

It also IS a wonder how you can find any enjoyment in ANY movie.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/10/2012, 10:14 AM
I'll be the first to admit that TDKR had problems. My biggest problem was that I think Nolan made a big mistake by having Bats quite for 8 years between films.

Now, when you place all three movies together, you see that Bruce was only Batman for about a year - year and a half before coming back in TDKR for 3 months. I have a very large problem with that for very obvious reasons. I also did not like that he quit being Batman to settle down with Catwoman of all people. Thats just a little too un-Batman, but whatever. I can accept this is a take that we've never seen before, I still don't have to totally agree with it though.

Other than that, I found the movie itself to be pretty enjoyable.

CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/10/2012, 10:24 AM
Also, you need to pay attention more. He wasn't wearing an exoskeleton on his whole body. It was on his knee. ONE KNEE. So unless he lands a kick with that leg, its not going to help him.

You act like he was wearing some powered suit or something and every muscle was enhanced to bone crushing extremes.
Coldblood6
Coldblood6 - 8/10/2012, 11:07 AM
Thank goodness that more and more intelligent people are being open and honest about how much a piece of crap tdkr was. This sort of lazy, intelliegence insulting, bad screenwriting needs to be downcried less we get inundated by it in future films.

nolanites and DC fanboys need to acknowledge tdkr as crap and try and regain some credibility.

Also I hope that similarly to how BB became a 'masterpiece' in the eyes of nolanites after tdkr (it's a good movie but no masterpiece), that people will look at at tdk with greater scrutiny, without being mesmerized by HL's Joker. That movie is tremendously overrated. It's incredulous that people actually thought that a movie where the film's main villain (a notorious male criminal with white face-paint and green hair) walks through a busy hospital in a female nurse's outfit unnoticed, was worthy of a Best Picture nomination. Absolutely preposterous!!!
SimyJo
SimyJo - 8/10/2012, 11:41 AM
@coldblood6:

"It's incredulous that people actually thought that a movie where the film's main villain (a notorious male criminal with white face-paint and green hair) walks through a busy hospital in a female nurse's outfit unnoticed..."

Ever seen a goth nurse?. ^^
LoudNoises
LoudNoises - 8/10/2012, 12:13 PM
@coldblood6

That's your problem. You tell people they need to look atmoviess with more scrutinizing eye, however if you took your own advice and applied to same level of scrutiny to every other CBM that you do to TDK for example... All CBM's would be shit. No CBM can hold up to the amount of scrutiny that Nolan's Batmanmoviess recieve on a daily basis. I once heard someone complain that Bane would be so pychologically scared from growing up inside a dark underground prison that he would never choose to build his layer in the dark sewers of Gotham. These kind of retarded scrutinizing complaints are being made by people every day here on CBM. People only scrutinize Nolan's Batman film to this degree as a response to those who love them so much (aka "Nolanites"). So let's lighten up a bit of the scrutiny and try not to suck all of the entertainment out of the movie industry.
TheLoveDoc
TheLoveDoc - 8/10/2012, 12:50 PM
@Loudnoises
WELL SAID!
RidiculousFanBoyDemands
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 8/10/2012, 12:55 PM
I almost stopped reading after you said Bane was a clone of the joker. No offense but if you can't understand a simple movie that is only two hours and forty minutes, then perhaps you shouldn't write a review about it. I mean seriously, if you can't get the obvious themes than why should anyone pay attention to this. It's one thing to not like the movie, but to completely make up things about it is really sad.

Also, as for number 5. Batman and Gordon won! The city was no longer corrupt or crooked. What tore Batman up was that everyone he cared about has died for a lie.

Also I guess you didn't get the subtle prison, Lazarus pit connection.

One last thing the main goal wasn't to bankrupt Bruce Wayne so Talia could take over the company. She didn't give a shit about Wayne Enterprises. The main goal was to break Bruce. Financially, Physically, Emotionally, than when he was at his lowest point, break his spirit. It was a plan that went beyond the stock market diversion.

As for what Jim Gordon has in his hands. Do you think anyone of those rich snobs cares what was in his hands. All they thought was hey, this is a pretty poignant moment. Instead of sounding like a robot and reading from a script he went off the cuff, and said something from the heart.


Two reasons how you know the hardcore haters aren't the smartest people that inhabit this site.

1) People bitch about how Bruce Wayne, remember the man that traveled the world penniless in Batman Begins, got back to Gotham when he escaped the prison. But nobody wonders how little Talia found her father.

2) People bitch that Catwoman saved Batman in TDKR, yet know one bitches that she had to save him in Arkham city.

Look if you are going to hate, power to you. At least be smart about it when you write an article. There have been some really good articles about the flaws of this movie. This one however, is not.
RidiculousFanBoyDemands
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 8/10/2012, 1:07 PM
How was Bane a glorified Henchman. The plan was his and Talia's and he was going to ignore her at the end. Remember Talia told Bane to keep Batman alive, and he just ignored the bitch. He was going to shoot Batman in the face with a shotgun until BAM, Catwoman rides in like a boss to save him. Bad ass scene.

12) The reason Batman is stronger than Bane was he escaped the prison. He rose up, faced his fears and has something to fight for. Apparently you didn't get the symbolism of the prison either. Oh well.

As for Bruce having his finger prints stolen. How did she know that she was going to bankrupt him. For all he knows she was going to commit crimes wearing his prints, or she wanted to steal something from Wayne Enterprises armory. Seriously Bruce Wayne was supposed to know that she was going to sell them to Daggert. That Bane was going to infiltrate the stock market, pull off some highly advanced trades, and bankrupt Wayne enterprises. Really? Bruce was supposed to know all that?

Also, Batman has a cybernetic exoskeleton. That I didn't know. Are you sure you watched the movie.

Bottom line is it probably took you awhile to write this, but only took me 4.1 minutes to prove why these specific "plot holes" is nothing more than lazy journalism at its finest.
GoILL
GoILL - 8/10/2012, 1:41 PM
@LoudNoises, RFBD and cipher awesome stuff guys, if you want to read more pointless shit about this movie read that shit Marvelite put up just don't comment.
GoILL
GoILL - 8/10/2012, 1:52 PM
@cipher I've just been posting bullshit on that article since he deleted my previous comments.
GoILL
GoILL - 8/10/2012, 1:58 PM
@cipher lol, what article was this in?
GoILL
GoILL - 8/10/2012, 2:04 PM
@cipher lol that line about being professional was some pretty funny stuff i'll probably post some more in their just for fun.You do the same.
GoILL
GoILL - 8/10/2012, 2:21 PM
@cipher yeah I saw that after vowing not to return to thread after my last post in there earlier, he says he is 14 so I can kinda give him a pass for that trolling crap he likes to do but throwing out hateful shit at people ain't cool.
gmoney0505
gmoney0505 - 8/10/2012, 10:30 PM
Damn man, it sucks that people want source material and get it and then hate source material. It just a no-win situation for Batman. :(
thele
thele - 8/11/2012, 12:01 AM
>>gmoney0505: Damn man, it sucks that people want
>>source material and get it and then hate source >>material. It just a no-win situation for Batman. :(

Not sure what you mean. In my editorial I never mention the need for "source material". As a matter of fact, I think the strength of Nolan's first two movies is that he broke away from the comic book sources quite a bit and simply made two very good movies.

If anything, the problem with the third movie is that he wanted to follow the source material too much. There was no need for Bane to "break Batman's back" in this movie at all. And much of it felt like he was trying to make his own version of "The Dark Knight Returns".

Nolan was more concerned with "finishing the trilogy" than making a "good movie" and that was the downfall of The Dark Knight Rises.
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