THE FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS Rumor May Reveal Which Reality Doctor Doom Hails From - Possible SPOILERS

THE FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS Rumor May Reveal Which Reality Doctor Doom Hails From - Possible SPOILERS

There's been a lot of intrigue about whether Robert Downey Jr.'s Doctor Doom has a history with the team we'll meet in The Fantastic Four: First Steps, and this new rumour may offer a significant hint...

By JoshWilding - Jul 10, 2025 09:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four

The Fantastic Four: First Steps takes place in a parallel reality and revolves around a version of Marvel's First Family that hails from a retro-futuristic New York City inspired by the 1960s.

The team will be front and centre in Avengers: Doomsday, and the expectation is that they'll become a permanent part of the new Marvel Cinematic Universe post-Avengers: Secret Wars. There's always a chance they'll remain in their own reality, but that potentially closes the door on a lot of very exciting team-ups. 

While the Fantastic Four will battle Doctor Doom in the next Avengers movies, there's been no official word on whether Robert Downey Jr.'s Variant hails from their world or even if they've crossed paths with Victor during the four years since gaining their powers. 

Avengers: Doomsday being the first time Reed Richards and Doom meet would wipe away a lot of comic book history, though it's always possible that Victor simply hates every version of the Fantastic Four across the Multiverse. 

While we still don't have a definitive answer about when or where Doom comes from, scooper @MyTimeToShineH has learned, "There's a scene in [The Fantastic Four: First Steps] where the major world leaders are together discussing the threat of Galactus - and there’s an empty spot with a flag that says Latveria!"

If Latveria does indeed exist in this reality, then it stands to reason that Doom does, as well. Perhaps Downey's Variant knew Reed in college, but was scarred while trying to find another living Variant of his mother (in the comics, he tries to rescue her from Hell). If he was then lost in the Multiverse, he may not have seen Pedro Pascal's Reed since. 

On the other hand, it makes just as much sense for Doom to not hail from the same reality as the Fantastic Four, especially taking into account what we know of his appearance and plans for the Multiverse (if previous rumours are accurate, the villain's home has already been destroyed).

Still, Avengers: Doomsday being where Mister Fantastic and Doctor Doom battle for the first time is a little disappointing. Marvel Studios could have done with maybe one more movie featuring the team to establish Doom before he takes centre stage in the two-part Multiverse Saga finale, but it wasn't meant to be.

Plus, with Doom being a last-minute pivot from Kang the Conqueror, though, that was always going to be wishful thinking.

The Fantastic Four: First Steps is set to be released in theaters on July 25, 2025.

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RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 7/10/2025, 9:34 AM
Reads, sees MTTSH...

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ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 7/10/2025, 9:44 AM
This is good to hear. Wouldn't make any sense for this FF not have any history with Doom.
So that "Anti-Doom" thing in the HERBIE magazine promo might actually be eponymous.
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 7/10/2025, 9:45 AM
"There's a scene in [The Fantastic Four: First Steps] where the major world leaders are together discussing the threat of Galactus - and there’s an empty spot with a flag that says Latveria!"

Is this an inside scoop? Or was this scene shown in the 30 minute preview from over the weekend?
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 7/10/2025, 9:58 AM
@TheFinestSmack - This is from "mytimetoshine", so it's bullshit. 💩
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 7/10/2025, 9:48 AM
Cool if true because I do think it would be best if he is from the same reality as this FF since there would be some built in history there rather then them being from separate ones whether this Victor’s universe was already destroyed or if he even hails from the MOM Illuminati universe…

Plus if they are from the same reality that it could be fun to see the creatives aswell as Pedro & RDJ especially play into the turbulent history between both their characters.

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It’s not an ideal situation obviously and certainly not how I would have introduced or done Doom in the MCU but it is what it is now so I hope it turns out for the best!!.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 7/10/2025, 10:17 AM
@TheVisionary25 - They sorta teased A Doom in FatWS with the mentions of the history of the region in regard to Sokovia and Zemo so we'll see where it heads cos theoreticaly we could end up with three variants appearing/mentioned ie one in the FF universe, one in the Xmen or Illuminati universe and one in 616. There are fun ways to play with it all but the optimal being the main Doom having history with the first family even if offscreen and potentialy the whole interdimensional travel stuff was something Reed and victor worked on together in college or some such hence both able to jump tween timelines.
AnEye
AnEye - 7/10/2025, 10:26 AM
Hmmmmm....I kinda believe this scene is real lol.
AC1
AC1 - 7/10/2025, 10:30 AM
I'd kinda prefer it if they came from the same universe unless there's a specific story reason for that to not be the case (such as RDJ's Doom being the last survivor of his universe) - but it's worth pointing out that even if they aren't from the same universe, there's nothing to say this version of Doom didn't have his own Fantastic Four he was once in conflict with; similarly, with this version of the Fantastic Four having seemingly been heroes for a couple of years already by the time of First Steps, there's nothing to say they haven't already faced their own version of Doom.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 7/10/2025, 11:46 AM
@AC1 - It should be the Doom of Universe 838 with Reed being Krasinski.
AC1
AC1 - 7/10/2025, 5:34 PM
@SonOfAGif - Yeah I've seen that theory floating around and I think that'd be a good direction to take it in, makes his motivation feel more tangible if we learn that his universe was destroyed as a result of the events of MOM and it'd be an interesting twist if his seat was the one that was empty during that scene and that he and Reed had actually reconciled and founded the Illuminati together in that universe. That'd make for a pretty complex and compelling version of the character and go a long way in justifying him taking over from Kang as this Saga's main antagonist.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 7/10/2025, 5:37 PM
@AC1 - I agree and he doesn't even hate Doctor Strange for it. He despises the Scarlet Witch and wants the chaos magic so he can rebuild his universe and also bring his mother back. He wants Chthon's head when all of it is over.
AllsGood
AllsGood - 7/10/2025, 10:38 AM
NOT Even a Rumor.

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Goldboink
Goldboink - 7/10/2025, 11:58 AM
@AllsGood -

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grif
grif - 7/10/2025, 10:39 AM
what a joke. everything has to come from a different reality because they planned this stuff from the beginning.

reboot and plan the universe out all on the same world.


Nonameforme
Nonameforme - 7/10/2025, 10:45 AM
Sounds like a whole mess
Deckacards
Deckacards - 7/10/2025, 10:47 AM
It occurred to me while reading this that it's possible that the Secret Wars movie could end with the FF going into 616 universe...but without Thing. Like he did in the comics, he could remain in Battleworld if he discovers the ability to change back to human form. And that would give the MCU the chance to bring She-Hulk back and temporarily replace him on the team...like in the comics. You know they're dying for a reasonable way to bring her into the movies.

And then...a Thing movie on Battleworld could be pretty interesting. Especially if he encountered some interesting cosmic characters...like Gladiator or Beta Ray Bill.
AnEye
AnEye - 7/10/2025, 11:12 AM
@Deckacards - Yeah but it does make sense for it to happen. Also is canon, also hasn't been seen in a movie and would be fresh to visually see. So...yeah, I'm all for that actually for She-Hulk to be on the team.

Hell why stop there? Why not SPIDER-MAN as well?
YonnyLayna
YonnyLayna - 7/10/2025, 10:23 PM
@Deckacards - That's cause this F4 movie is coming too late into the game. F4 and Doom should have been at the start of Phase 4 instead of Ethernals same as Thunderbolts.

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