THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RINGS OF POWER Showrunners Debunk Popular "Dark Wizard" Theory - SPOILERS

THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RINGS OF POWER Showrunners Debunk Popular "Dark Wizard" Theory - SPOILERS

Fans had assumed they'd figured out the identity of the mysterious Dark Wizard played by Ciarán Hinds, but The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power showrunners have now debunked one popular theory...

By MarkCassidy - Oct 05, 2024 06:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Lord of the Rings
Source: Via SFF Gazette

The second season of Prime Video's The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power came to an end this week, and the finale seemed to leave little doubt as to the identity of the "Dark Wizard" played by Game of Thrones alum Ciarán Hinds.

However, all may not be as it seems when it comes to this mysterious and very powerful character.

We know that this blatantly evil sorcerer is an "Istar," and it was generally assumed that he must be Sarauman. Granted, it would be a pretty major change to the lore if this character "broke bad" prior to the events of Tolkien's trilogy, but so would the introduction of another Istari who was never mentioned in the saga at all.

This led to speculation that Hinds might be playing either Alatar or Pallando, the "Blue Wizards" who are never really discussed in any great detail in The Lord of the Rings or the History of Middle-earth.

The season 2 finale didn't confirm the wizard's identity, but did reveal that he knew The Stranger - who we now know as Gandalf - and considered him an "old friend." Now, showrunners J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay have all-but debunked the Saruman theory.

"I'll say something on the record. Given the history of Middle-earth, it would be highly, highly, highly improbable that this could be Saruman," McKay told Vanity Fair. Payne chimed in, "If not impossible."

Mckay elaborated in a separate interview with THR.

"We know that in the history of Middle-earth, some wizards become corrupted. So there is precedent for this, but that doesn’t mean it’s the same guy. As you say, it wouldn’t actually make sense for it to be Saruman.

This makes either Alatar or Pallando the more likely possibility, but it doesn't sound like we'll find out for sure until season 3.

"Sauron has returned. Cast out by Galadriel, without army or ally, the rising Dark Lord must now rely on his own cunning to rebuild his strength and oversee the creation of the Rings of Power, which will allow him to bind all the peoples of Middle-earth to his sinister will."

"Building on Season 1’s epic scope and ambition, Season 2 of Amazon’s The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power plunges even its most beloved and vulnerable characters into a rising tide of darkness, challenging each to find their place in a world that is increasingly on the brink of calamity."

"Elves and dwarves, orcs and men, wizards and Harfoots... as friendships are strained and kingdoms begin to fracture, the forces of good will struggle ever more valiantly to hold on to what matters to them most of all.. each other."

Returning cast members include Morfydd Clark, Benjamin Walker, Charles Edwards, Charlie Vickers, Markella Kavenagh, Nazanin Boniadi, Ismael Cruz Cordova, Tyroe Muhafidin, Maxim Baldry, Cynthia Addai-Robinson, Owain Arthur, Trystan Gravelle, Ema Horvath, Sophia Nomvete, Megan Richards, Dylan Smith, Leon Wadham, Daniel Weyman, and Sara Zwangobani.

Sam Hazeldine (Peaky Blinders) replaces Joseph Mawle as Adar, with Ciarán Hinds (Game of Thrones), Rory Kinnear (Penny Dreadful), and Tanya Moodie (The Man Who Fell to Earth) joining the ensemble in key roles.

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/5/2024, 6:48 AM
4 billions dollars open nite rght there
Ghoul
Ghoul - 10/5/2024, 7:08 AM
I have very mixed reactions to this show. It looks great, they’ve cast some phenomenal acting talent, the design is often superb and impressive despite going for the Peter Jackson style it really works in this world. A lot of positives, but the writing often just takes me out of it. Some of the changes are just odd. Unlike other shows (The Acolyte namely) however, at least this is watchable! Would have preferred way more accurate take, but it has some great stuff.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 10/5/2024, 6:20 PM
@Ghoul - agreed. I think even the overal concept of the story is good (trying to condense the major events of the Second Age).

I think there's just too many storylines. Especially Gandalf, Elendil and Arondir had little important stuff to do. Really hurt the pacing.
Ghoul
Ghoul - 10/5/2024, 7:40 PM
@bkmeijer1 - yeah well said! Should’ve just focused on the rings of power in detail and just done that one really well. The other stuff do later even just separate or something
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 10/6/2024, 3:28 AM
@Ghoul - that plotline was by far the best. The way Sauron tricked Celebrimbor and the fall of Eregion was done really well imo. And they tied Khazad-Dum really went into it as well.

I don't mind there being other storylines, but they need to be tied to the main plot. Gandalf and the Numenoreans felt like seperate shows.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/5/2024, 7:18 AM
I hope we don’t go another season (if it gets it) with another “who is he” mystery so I would like them to reveal the identity of the “Dark Wizard” pretty early on…

Considering that he mentioned in the finale that they are 5 of them , I think he’ll definitely be one of the Blue Wizards whether it be Alatar or Pallando (even though he’s very Saruman coded) whose conception by Tolkien changed dramatically between his earlier and later writings.

He wrote initially that they went to the East to stop Sauron’s influence there but never returned , it was assumed they failed and perhaps fell to evil.

Then he changed his mind , gave them different names and said they played a decisive role in stopping Sauron at the end of the second & Third Age so ultimately even the professor wasn’t sure or was unclear on it like many other things.

Anyway contrary to some people’s beliefs , these showrunners seem to know their stuff imo and are being vetted by Tolkien’s estate and his son Christopher so I think it’ll turn out fine…

Looking forward to more especially after S2 which I liked more than the first one (though that was still enjoyable imo).
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 10/5/2024, 6:14 PM
@TheVisionary25 - the "who is he" mystery is fine, just not when they play it on characters we all know from the start who they are.
TrentCrimm
TrentCrimm - 10/5/2024, 8:41 AM
I've got no loyalty to the source material, my only experience with LotR has been through the live action movies, so with that being said I really haven't had any issues with this show at all.

It has similar issues that most shows have, the writing/dialogue is sometimes pretty weak, and a few of the smaller plot lines and character stories could be cut imo, but overall the characters are interesting and well acted, the production value is there, and it's telling a story that's interesting to me at least.

I think if people can let go of whatever lore or source material issues they have, there's a good show to be found here.

It doesn't deserve the hate it gets at all, Tolkien fanboys are just some of the most outwardly fickle people on the internet.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 10/5/2024, 6:21 PM
@TrentCrimm - I agree. I know most Second Age lore though, and I think this show handles it well. Condensing the major events is a smart move imo.
DarkOak
DarkOak - 10/5/2024, 9:56 AM
It's just bad. Shitty dialogue, pacing and most characters are just there to move to plot along. And the finale sucked
Lysander45
Lysander45 - 10/5/2024, 11:44 AM
I hope they leave the Blue Wizards alone and this guy turns out to be another one of their "This is my OC no copy" fanfiction creations. Have him be the Gary Stu of the istar so they can then bring out some young Saruman as a counterpoint or something, regardless just leave the Blue Wizards be. Their function as cyphers is what makes them interesting. Revealing 'the truth' that one was ackshually the first Eeeeevil Wizard is a story point that belongs on fanfiction.net as part of a 14-year-old's first story where they constantly use misuse colons.
ogrodafloresta
ogrodafloresta - 10/5/2024, 3:18 PM
“There’s no way, in Tolkien canon, that The Stranger could be Gandalf, but he is. But this Dark Wizard, Eru forbid, CAN’T be Saruman, even if he wanted to.” Ok, man, it’s your fanfic, do whatever you want with it, I don’t care.
OrgasmicPotatoe
OrgasmicPotatoe - 10/5/2024, 6:01 PM
"Given the history of Middle-earth, it would be highly, highly, highly improbable that this could be Saruman"

The same way that given the history of Middle-Earth, it would be highly, highly improbable that Gandalf would have appeared in the Second Age, yet here we are ?

Anyway, they can do whatever the [frick], it's still nothing more than garbage fanfic.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 10/5/2024, 6:13 PM
I've done some thinking, and I think he can very well be Saruman. Instead of simply defeating him, Gandalf instead could actually turn Saruman/Curumo good.

By the end, they both return to Valinor until they are called upon by Manwe again. Would actually add some depth to Curumo that he volunteers first as to make amends for his past deeds imo.

Anyway, who else of the five Istar would he be?

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