RUMOR: MAN OF STEEL Star Henry Cavill Has Joined The MCU...But Not As THE FANTASTIC FOUR's Doctor Doom
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RUMOR: MAN OF STEEL Star Henry Cavill Has Joined The MCU...But Not As THE FANTASTIC FOUR's Doctor Doom

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EZBeast - 11/28/2023, 12:12 PM
AmySabadini - 11/28/2023, 12:42 PM
@EZBeast - Exactly. How about the top ten MCU characters brought back TOO SOON after death??
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 11/28/2023, 12:18 PM
Odin is objectively is the number one pick. Not like Waititi's Space Balls remake would do justice to the premise of Ragnarok either way, but not having Odin partake in the battle (well, if you call that goofy skirmish at the end a battle) and dying a heroic death fighting against either the Wolf or Hela was some terrible usage of the character. It's one of the worst cases where we are told a character is powerful in movies, but never see him do anything powerful.
Shivermetimbers - 11/28/2023, 12:28 PM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - !00% In fact, I would say one of the worst offenses Marvel has made was destroying Asgard in general. They have mishandled so many characters. This list and some exclusions have made that painfully obvious. Odin, Black Widow, Iron Monger, etc. There are way too many.
CorndogBurglar - 11/28/2023, 2:28 PM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - Oh god....now you've done it. You said Twika Waititi and Space Balls Remake in the same sentence. Delete that comment NOW, for the love of all that is holy! Maybe there's still time and if you delete it now no one will take notice and make that blasphemous sounding project a reality.
Apophis71 - 11/28/2023, 5:44 PM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - Never got why after he went into the regeneration thingy he didn't come back with any display of power. Can easily write off him not being as OP as he should be before that, but after then shuffled off into a Nursing home then die after being found was an odd creative choice for sure.
Nomis929 - 11/28/2023, 12:21 PM
I agree with all of these choices, but I like to add Iron Monger.

Jeff Bridges was so good!
Natey1991 - 11/28/2023, 12:22 PM
Dude. Chadwick Boseman DIED. That wasn’t a creative decision it was a real life one. I can’t believe you have a job.
MrDandy - 11/28/2023, 12:31 PM
@Natey1991 - if you actually read it, he mentions that but says he should have been recast. And yeah, he should have.
Shivermetimbers - 11/28/2023, 12:36 PM
@Natey1991 - As tragic as Chadwick dying was, he is not the Black Panther. The character should and could have been recast. So yes, that is a creative decision they made as a way to honor the actor who played the character. Some agree with it (seemingly you), and others disagree with it (me).
CorndogBurglar - 11/28/2023, 2:30 PM
@Natey1991 - Boseman should have been recast. They could have done that. They ended up changing the entire movie because they decided not to recast him. It was 100% a creative decision.
bcom - 11/28/2023, 3:24 PM
@CorndogBurglar - I think Marvel were clever about it though. The movie respected Boseman by not recasting him and letting his Black Panter pass, but we were introduced to his son at the end who is also named T'Challa. I'd bet this was done so eventually he will become the next Black Panther. It's a recast in a way, but a clever one in that it plays into the story.
Blastaar - 11/28/2023, 5:20 PM
@bcom - They could've done without the bastard child though, that was in very poor taste.

They also could've just alluded to the fact that he was still alive in some way. Poor writing and allowing your emotions to take over your job.
bcom - 11/28/2023, 5:40 PM
@Blastaar - I think they did the best with what they were faced with at the time. Chadwick's passing was very much in the spotlight and I think a straight recasting, regardless of how respectfully it was dealt with, may not have felt like the right thing to do at the time and no matter how great the recast actor could've been, he would've ALWAYS been compared to Chadwick in the role, for better or worse.

I think passing the mantle to Shuri and then potentially passing it on to a new T'Challa as T'Challa's son helps it feel more like a new T'Challa Black Panther rather than a replacement for Boseman's T'Challa Black Panther.
Blastaar - 11/28/2023, 5:56 PM
@bcom - An actor's role will ALWAYS be compared to another actor's role, that will NEVER go away. That should never be a fear for an actor or else we would never have iconic characters last for generations.

That new "T'Challa" is not T'Challa son of T'Chaka its Toussaint.

They should've delayed the movie, made a Wakanda Forver series on Disney +, that would segue into BP2 which releasing it next year February would've been PLENTY of time to mourn and proceed with show must go on.

Shuri cannot beat Namor, but they made the terrible mistake with doing that in Wakanda Forever which taints Namor's reputation as well.

They could've implied that T'Challa could still be alive without actually saying it, by keeping it vague and slight. Making room for a recast in 2024. Chadwick unfortunately passed in 2020, it'll have been close to four years.
MisterDoctor217 - 11/28/2023, 12:22 PM
I really need Daddy Ikaris and hunky Pietro back.

Also Sassy Ultron was great.

T’Challa , with all due respect to Chadwick Boseman, he was an amazing actor, should have been recast. Plain and simple.
Shuri ruined Wakanda Forever for me.
Patient2670 - 11/28/2023, 12:29 PM
Is Josh inferring that Kevin Feige killed Chadwick Boseman? Wow... Maybe Jonathan Majors should watch his back.
ModHaterSLADE - 11/28/2023, 12:29 PM
Iron monger should be listed.
Doomsday8888 - 11/28/2023, 12:29 PM
Can't believe no one said Killmonger, i'm cool with it, just kinda surprised no one mentioned him tho.

He had a dope theme
MrDandy - 11/28/2023, 12:30 PM
Strucker is a big one for me. A big character from the comics that got about 3 minutes of screen time.
Gabimaru - 11/28/2023, 12:31 PM
As much as i love Chadwick as an actor and with his Black Panther portrayal. I think MCU made a mistake for not giving the role to somebody else.
Blastaar - 11/28/2023, 5:23 PM
@Gabimaru - Enough time has passed, people have to move on. Right about next year February would've been a great time for BP2 to be released.

A Wakanda Forever tv series would've been THE perfect way to segue into BP2 with a recast.
KaptainKhaos - 11/28/2023, 12:39 PM
This has and always will be my biggest complaint about the MCU is that they are so wasteful with fan favorite characters.

bkmeijer1 - 11/28/2023, 12:41 PM
Only Ultron is character that was killed off too soon imo. And that doesn't even matter, considering a robot can be rebuilt
ShimmyShimmyYA - 11/28/2023, 1:03 PM
Good thing Marvel literally pointed to the audience at the end of WF and said T’Challa will be back (he’ll just be TJ, same way Steve Trevor is sometimes Steve Trevor II/III OR Nick fury Jr and Nick fury )

PapaBear562 - 11/28/2023, 1:08 PM
Quicksilver, the Warriors Three, Black Panther, Zola, yep, I agree. The rest no, except maybe Ultron. Black Panther should have been recasted. Even Boseman's brother said as much. Marvel greatly err'd by not doing so. I hated Thor Ragnarok and part of the reason was killing the Warriors Three, Odin and destroying Asgard. Zola would have been a clever keep if Marvel could have given him a body that resembles what he was in the comics, but it would have to have been done right.
mountainman - 11/28/2023, 1:08 PM
T’Challa - Yes but it’s somewhat understandable why they did

Ikaris - Absolutely no way he’s dead

Jane Foater - She didn’t die too early, they just made a mockery of her cancer which is disgusting

Arnim Zola - No his was fine. He’s not really a character that they could do more with unless they went too out there.

Warriors Three - They didn’t die too early, Ragnarok is actually a good place for them to die. They just weren’t adapted well. Odd how The Dark World was their best representation.

Kang - Yeah he really should have won at the end of Quantumania. The Conquerer being defeated so easily has really tarnished the character.

Quicksilver - Maybe but his death added stakes and was well done. The only benefit to keeping him around would be as a check on Wanda going crazy.

Crossbones - Nah. 2 movies with him was fine.

Striker - Nah. This villain in modern times is really cheesy. Maybe if they would have had him in the past picking up Hydra after Red Skull died it could have worked.

Ultron - Yes yes one of the best Avengers villains. The thing is that he could have uploaded his consciousness somewhere so he may not be dead.

URCOMMENTSUCKS - 11/28/2023, 3:09 PM
@mountainman - The Warriors Three sure as all hell died too early because they deserved to stay until the climax and have interaction with Thor. Also, Thor 2 was not their best depiction. Thor 1 was. They were actually important to the plot and had more than one action scene that wasn't even connected to the main story.
mountainman - 11/28/2023, 3:23 PM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - To your first point, I agree. I would have loved to see the Warriors Three and Sif help in that final battle and sacrifice themselves when Asgard fell. They were only used to show how powerful Hela was. I was more focused on the movie they died in, but yeah they should have made the climax. Hela could have defeated them but they escape or survive until the final battle.

I guess it’s been a while since I’ve seen Thor. I just remember Fandral having a good role in that second one. The first one did have that cool Frost Giant scene at the beginning, but I was always underwhelmed by that Destroyer battle at the end.
Blastaar - 11/28/2023, 5:33 PM
@mountainman - Ultron not taking over all technology, A.I, and cloud tech in the world was a HUGE missed opportunity, and a bio-tech virus are all VERY scary premises.

Wakanda Forever should've been a Disney Plus series that gave some time to mourn Chadwick, introduce new characters(Not Namor yet), then segue into BP2, which should've/could've been released Feb 2024.

The Warriors Three was THE perfect way for Marvel to delve into LOTR aspect and explore the nine realms.

Quicksilver should've been perceived as dead. It should've/could've been revealed that he had accelerated healing somewhat similar to Wolverine where it could've been that he was in a coma/stasis and healing. Quicksilver is important for more stories and the Inhumans(hopefully brought back RIGHT in the MCU).

I also agree with everything else you said.
mountainman - 11/28/2023, 5:43 PM
@Blastaar - All good points.

Even back in 2015, the world was so connected that it seems impossible that Ultron wouldn’t have infected every server on the planet. I still hold out hope that he’s just been dormant all these years and could plausibly return at any point.

The Black Panther thing is tough. I was mixed on BP2. The mourning for T’Challa (and by extension Chadwick) was beautiful and needed for some people. The surrounding characters are good in that franchise. But the MCU just feels at a loss without T’Challa, especially when he only featured a few times.

The biggest missed opportunity with the Thor movies is not making them Lord of the Rings in Space.

Good Quicksilver idea. I always associated him more with X-Factor and the mutants than the Avengers or Inhumans, but I get that he’s dipped his toes all over. Very interesting character.
Blastaar - 11/28/2023, 6:01 PM
@mountainman - Agreed.

In terms of Chadwick Boseman, they just needed time, in would've been inappropriate to recast so soon, but now into 2023 would've been fine.

Having Shuri beat Namor creates all sorts of problems.
Matchesz - 11/28/2023, 1:16 PM
Cmon guys he obv referring to how they didnt recast T’Challa. If you notice in the MCU none of the funny characters ever really die, and the warriors three were hardly characters before they died.. like you’re punished for not cracking jokes but imagine the impact if they killed off Katy or Korg (forreal) or even the asian agent character from antman
marvel72 - 11/28/2023, 1:22 PM
T'Challa and Baron Von Strucker most definitely plus Ultron could return.
MotherGooseUPus - 11/28/2023, 1:25 PM
The ones that upset me the most are Ultron, Odin and to some extent the Red Skull. Yea he was "back in IW and Endgame" which was cool but still think he was wasted.

Some of these i can go either way but those 3 really upset me
PC04 - 11/28/2023, 2:15 PM
Ultron absolutely needs to return.
CorndogBurglar - 11/28/2023, 2:25 PM
Baron Strucker and Arnim Zola were definitely killed off too quickly.

I really wanted to see Zola in his big robot body. I suppose they could always bring him back easily enough, but I doubt they will.

T'Challa should have been recast, along with Iron Man and Captain America. The characters should always be bigger than the actors playing them. But I do understand the decision with T'Challa, at least. It was a tough decision with no real "right" answer, I don't think.
mpk1988 - 11/28/2023, 2:26 PM
[frick] with the Jane Foster nonsense - I gave it a chance again only to be let down even more. One of the biggest drawbacks of Thor in the MCU has been Jane Foster - a pointless uncharismatic character with whom Hemsworth has less than zero chemistry. Hell, he had more chemistry with that wooden twilight girl in a movie and also with Tessa in Ragnarok.
WhatIfRickJames - 11/28/2023, 3:02 PM
Half of these people aren't even dead. Plus - multiverse.

Jane Foster is coming the [frick] back, Valhalla style

Kang ain't dead - multiverse bro

Ultron - multiversssssse also What If

Ikaris - regenerates in a Celestial spaceship foo

Wanda no ded, she will wish QS back
bcom - 11/28/2023, 3:20 PM
Josh does know that the Kang that died in Quantumania was just a variant and not THE Kang, right?

Also, his final sentence in T'Challa's blurb... "At this stage, it is what it is, but a recast is a must if and when this franchise is rebooted."... If and when the franchise is rebooted? The MCU will never be rebooted, as Kevin Feige has said many times in the past, there's no 'do overs', the MCU will just continue to evolve. Given that we were introduced to T'Challa's son at the end of Wakanda Forever, who was also named T'Challa, it's likely they'll introduce him as the new Black Panther at some stage.
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