A Contemplative Response to "GD Gate"

A Contemplative Response to "GD Gate"

Editorial Opinion
By lsc2222 - Sep 09, 2011 01:09 PM EST
Filed Under: Other

I've been a longtime fan of this site and a avid comicbook reader
since I was five years old.

However, since the original debut of comics such as "Watchmen" and
and "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns" the comicbook industry has
been on a downward slide. Since TDKR and Watchmen comics have
become increasingly violent and sexual, flaunting and promoting openly
gay characters and socially liberal ideals. The obvious reason is that
the fans have aged and more mature topics are needed to keep us hooked.
However, as a Christian myself, I admit I take great offense to all of this
and as a result I find myself reading fewer and fewer comics these days.

Marvel's schtick has always been about realism, but comics' current love
affair with all that goes against what the superheroes were created for. These
were characters created for escapism, to "get away" from the harsh realities
of WW2 and The Great Depression. The good guys were morally upstanding,
they always saved the day and got the girl. Although simplistic, the stories were
great. But I am tired of seeing things like Spider-Man "fist bump" Obama, tired
of graphic sex scenes, tired of the swearing and the force fed liberal ideals. I
did not vote for Obama, why should I have to see him in a comic I read? I do not
support gay or lesbian rights, why should I have to see more and more characters
come out of the closet? And why is it the only way to make Batman "grittier" to have
him relish violence and curse more than a sailor? Batman doesn't love violence, he
merely uses it as a tool. And he beats down criminals with his bare hands and hides
in the shadows...isn't that "dark" enough?

The bottom line is this: fellow fanboys and the comics industry need to understand
that there are fans out there that don't appreciate the violence, the sex, the swearing
and the liberal agenda. But we continue to read because we enjoy these characters
and have since we were young. And it's foolish to think that because the name God
wasn't given a specific title that it is not the "Christian God". Isiah 42:8 God states "I am
The Lord God, that is My name." Is any other needed? This man, this comic shop owner
may have blown things out of proportion, I'm inclined to take that side. The term "GD" is
fairly ambiguous and Frank Miller's "I'm the GD Batman is more blatant and offensive
personally. But I respect him for taking a stand on what I believe to be his true issue:
comics stepping all over Christian and basic conservative beliefs and morals. But can we
not simply say "I may not agree with your stance, but I respect it." and leave it at that?
Is it not hypocritical to ask Christians to be tolerant of gays, lesbians and other topics and
philosophies while simultaneously bashing our beliefs? Let's keep in mind that most of our
favorite superheroes were created by jews; Stanley Lieber, Jacon Kurtzburg, William
Eisner, Robert Kahn and of course, Siegel and Shuster. Jews have long had a history of
religious intolerance and it somewhat goes against their creations for them to be used as
social or political puppets, can't we just focus on the action and a good story of our hero
saving the day?

Christian fans are not a "special breed" of fan. We still get the nerd rage when a favorite superhero is butchered on the big screen *cough* Green Lantern *cough*. But we do play
by a different set of morals, beliefs and philosophies. All we ask is when we do stand up against what we believe to be an attack against us, that we're not met with the same hate
and religious intolerence that we're so commonly accused of.

Fans are fans, let's jusy enjoy a good read huh?

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Hellsing
Hellsing - 9/9/2011, 2:05 PM
I thought this was about GD(which was superman grunting BTW), so how did it end up by you taking swipes at marvel and liberals exactly. I'm guessing the same way your tired of liberal idea's, there's probably plenty of people that are tired of the conservative idea's out there. But your entitled to your opinion.
RunDTC
RunDTC - 9/9/2011, 2:08 PM
HelaGood
HelaGood - 9/9/2011, 2:08 PM
wow...
MovieMaster
MovieMaster - 9/9/2011, 2:08 PM
nice read man, but this needs to be in editorials :P
lsc2222
lsc2222 - 9/9/2011, 2:19 PM
There was no "swipe" at liberals, democrats, gays, lesbians
or any disrespect intended.

This article is merely meant to highlight this fact: as comics are becoming
increasingly liberal and social some Christians feel that these books are
no longer for us but we tolerate and bear no ill will to these changes. So why
then is one fan standing up and saying "I don't agree with this, I believe this
to be a slight against my religion" met with such hate? Indeed we are all
entitled to our opinions, but I feel all social and political messages, conservative
or liberal, have no place in comics. The stories should just be a good
enjoyable read, the hero saves the day and so on and so on.

And yes, lol I agree this should be in the "Editorial" section,
accidently highlighted the wrong section when posting lol!
BaronVonWhittico
BaronVonWhittico - 9/9/2011, 3:32 PM
The reaction by the comic store owner wasn't met with hate, it was more of a "are you serious?" The only reason for that response was because of the extremity of the reaction. Because of ONE panel where ONE person may have said ONE slightly offensive thing (which I thought was pretty obvious he wasn't), the owner goes ahead and decides not to shelf ANY Grant Morrison books, whatsoever? That was an extreme reaction, which got met by another big reaction.

Comic books that are "good enjoyable reads" don't have to have bad stories to be good and enjoyable. If every issue is "the bold hero stands up to the villain, they fight, the hero saves the day, gets the girl, etc." then we get something that is boring and we can't really relate to.

Comic books are taking on today's social ills because that's what art does. If it didn't, we would have a bland collection of pages with nothing to really connect ourselves to, especially for the minorities and LGBT. If there's nothing for us/them to relate to, then people might lose interest in comics in general, and (again) we'd have a bland collection of predictable pages and storylines.

You are completely free to have your opinion, and I respect the hell out of you for expressing it. To me, heroes and comic books in general need to evolve and adapt to the times and society if they are going to remain relevant.

Also, this whole thing started from a non-issue that was a grunt, which is interesting in and of itself.
Supes17
Supes17 - 9/9/2011, 4:57 PM
I dont see anything wrong with what he write. I believe that it IS hypocritical to ask religious people to tolerate the beliefs of others and then bash theirs.
BUT, the comics we read today simply reflect the disguisting and terrifying world we live in today. By watching our heroes cope in a world that is similar to ours, we still get that sense o "escapism"

Some people just need to understand that everyone believes in something. Some people are atheists, others may be buddhists, or agnostic. We should just respect their beliefs and not seek any excuse to push them down. I believe in God, but you don't see me trying to push my beliefs down people's throats. So yeah, I get offended by some of the comments people post in this site.
I have a sense of humor, but some people cross the line
jbak368
jbak368 - 9/9/2011, 6:45 PM
Comics have always been liberal.
golden123
golden123 - 9/9/2011, 6:50 PM
@Hellsing: How many conservative ideas in comics do you come across that are potrayed positivly? All I ever see are liberal ideas. I must be reading the wrong comics. Can you suggest a few?
golden123
golden123 - 9/9/2011, 6:58 PM
I don't read comics for escapism. I read comics for enjoyment and pleasure. I love my life and the world. So I have no problem with real world problems being in my comics. I'm not (or I don't try to be) a negative person. Just because you don't think comics should have certain things doesn't mean everyone else agrees. Why don't you read comics that portray a very different world and ignore all realism while I read what I prefer? If you don't like it don't buy it.
ravennpilot
ravennpilot - 9/9/2011, 7:55 PM
Hey long time visitor first time poster,
I felt compelled to reply to this article. There is nothing written anywhere saying a person can't be insulted (at least not in the states). If you don't like the messages in comics today don't read them. It's up to the companies and there writers what message they want to present.
Im a big DC fan and I enjoy stories where the "gods" of the dc world, (any major characters) have to deal with whats happening today. Superman grounded is a pretty good example. I wish there was more of this. Then I may read comics more often.
I like when art pushes at buttons. Not that any were being pushed with the superman thing. Clearly there wasn't. The comic book store owner put his opinion out there and people didn't like it. They made their opinions known.
mickeyboosh87
mickeyboosh87 - 9/10/2011, 4:24 AM
@Isc2222 This article offended me. People shouldn't be allowed post articles like this on this website because it doesn't censor itself with respect to my narrow belief system.
I don't think Christians should have the right to free speech. Why can't this website respect that? Why can't we get back to traditional values? Like when Christians get out of line, we just throw them to the lions?
Oh well.. maybe I should get over myself and and except that not everyone has the same beliefs as me and the world is moving on without me...
PS. Gay people exist. There good people, who are more than capable of being heroes!
Supes17
Supes17 - 9/10/2011, 5:54 AM
@RoyalT: Bro that was out of line. I'm not christian but I'm sure there's an intelligent power out there. You don't have to insult them like that. At no point in this article did I see the writer say Atheists suck.
The reason many religious people don't step back and rethink their religion is bc many of the people who are trying to convince them are assholes. Leave them alome sheesh.

@mickeyboosh: They have the same rights as you. Even muslim ppl have rights, jst as long as they don't go to the extremes and start hurting others for not believing:p

No one's innocent. The Roman Catholics have murdered many during the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition through Isabella's rule. The muslims have started a war between two sects. A muslim extremist group has started a war with our nation. Hitler banned religion and was willing to kill anyone believing in a God, killing Jews and Jehova's Witnesses.
mickeyboosh87
mickeyboosh87 - 9/10/2011, 6:23 AM
@Superman17 I think you missed the sarcasm implied in my post. Also Hitler was a Roman Catholic. Want proof? Read Mein Kampf or just google the quotes.
Supes17
Supes17 - 9/10/2011, 7:01 AM
@mickey: My bad, I think my sarcasm detectors were off:p
You have a point about Hitler, but the thing is.. He was Still intolerant of other people's beliefs.
Supes17
Supes17 - 9/10/2011, 7:03 AM
Damn, @teabag, you expect him to say "None Taken"?
lmao
Supes17
Supes17 - 9/10/2011, 7:13 AM
Oh, and Obama was included in Spideys comic bc Obama had stated that he was a HUGE Spider-Man fan. Has nothing to do with a political agenda or Marvel supporting his ideals
mickeyboosh87
mickeyboosh87 - 9/10/2011, 8:10 AM
@Superman17 Cool bro.
I agree Hitler was a evil, intolerant (insert appropriate expletive here)Is it intolerant to dismiss other peoples intolerant beliefs?
Isc2222 seems to want a world were our gays brothers and sisters are excluded from our popular culture so as to not offend his personal religious beliefs. I SAY THEE NAY!!
@Teabag Much appreciated dude. You do good work. Keep it up! :)
Supes17
Supes17 - 9/10/2011, 8:54 AM
I don't agree with what gays and lesbians do but I don't treat them any differently. It's their life you know?
I've had lesbian friends, I dont have to agree with them, but I am not going to exclude them bc of their belief
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 9/10/2011, 8:55 AM
You sound like a pussy of monumental proportions.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 9/10/2011, 8:59 AM
^^^ and yes, thats just my belief.
Supes17
Supes17 - 9/10/2011, 9:06 AM
who are you talking to?
mickeyboosh87
mickeyboosh87 - 9/10/2011, 9:14 AM
Non-exclusion is good. I'm totally down with that.

Supes17
Supes17 - 9/10/2011, 9:56 AM
@Teabag:
golden123
golden123 - 9/10/2011, 10:03 AM
@WittySupername: It's not that Superman cursed. It's that Superman said "The Lords name in vain". Thats breaking one of "The Ten Commandments". Saying "God Damn" is breaking that Third Commandement. Schumck is just a synonym for a foolish person. If Grant Morrison had been abbreviating "God Damn", he would've been foolish. Jesus called people fools and other things all the time. He was constantly calling supposed "religious" leaders hypocrites all the time. Superman is Methodist by the way. Here is my proof,
golden123
golden123 - 9/10/2011, 10:06 AM
oops I meant to give you this link!
golden123
golden123 - 9/10/2011, 10:15 AM
@witty: In addition, it actually makes better business sense then what you might at first believe. People would be happy to hear this guy is standing up for his beliefs and might make a point to buy his comics. It's positive plublicity for the christian audience. Also, I think you can truely tell this guy was less offended and more upset and surprised.
SHHH
SHHH - 9/10/2011, 11:52 AM
Keep Thy Relgion To Thy Self..;)
jjmeylar
jjmeylar - 9/10/2011, 1:18 PM
I agree with you on the stuff about gays, and promiscuity.........but what does the Obama fist-bump have to do with it?
RunDTC
RunDTC - 9/10/2011, 1:49 PM
@jjmeylar: he a) claims to be a Christian but his actions CLEARLY differ from that and b) he's a closet Muslim who may possibly be a mole for Al-Quida.
KingRob
KingRob - 9/10/2011, 2:14 PM
Obama's the current prez, if that had been written 5 years ago W would've said "You're doing a heckuva job Spidey!" instead. And a right wing, Christian complaining about something, that's strange.
Ghostfire
Ghostfire - 9/10/2011, 4:24 PM
Man, after I read this I thought I was watching Fox news.. Look you got your opinions, but it almost seems like anything "liberal" you just hate. What's wrong with liberals or any liberal ideas? And I mean this in the nicest way, but that type of attitude is what makes our world today seem harder to live in. I'm one of the most open minded people you'll ever come across, and I'm Catholic.

The comic book owner, I respect his decision, but he's an idiot. He made a rash decision without even knowing what the phrase really meant and could've cost him dearly.

I respect others and their beliefs, and if this is what you believe in, well respect bro. But one thing that I truly dislike is when ppl bring up the bible, and use examples or quotes to make their point. Most importantly, the bible is here to guide us through life and help us when we need guidance in our lives. I know I'm gonna piss ppl off when I say this but our bible, old or new testament, or whatever we use for guidance was written by man and solely by man.

@Teabag
You always know how to lighten up the situation.. keep it up bud.

@WittySupername
Nice job bud!
TheBumblingIdiot
TheBumblingIdiot - 9/10/2011, 10:00 PM
gd man shout up. people are to sensitive
golden123
golden123 - 9/10/2011, 11:40 PM
@Ghostfire: First, There's a lot of things wrong with alot of liberal ideas.
Second, the Bible was physically written by man, but it was god who spoke to the Authors.
marvelguy
marvelguy - 9/11/2011, 3:35 PM
The media and Hollywood in all its forms (comics, TV, movies, music, etc.) are constantly pushing their liberal agenda. The problem is that these people that claim they are about free speech consistently bash Christians, Christian ideals, and lack taste and morality. These same people claim we should respect all forms of worship, yet still bash the belief system upon which the country is based.
If these people were truly progressive, they would present both sides equally and evenly.
TheBumblingIdiot
TheBumblingIdiot - 9/11/2011, 5:33 PM
the u.s.a was not founded by christian ideals but the ideals of the freemasons are first prez was a freemason so were allmost all the politicians who signed the declaration of independence. the white house the statue of liberty. This country was founded on the belifes and ideology of the freemason. yes christianity is the maiin religon in this country but not what the country was founded on.
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