Champions Battle Poll (Tuesday's round)

Black Cat vs Wildcat...
Kingpin vs Bane...
Hercules vs Orion...

Feature Opinion
By GuardianDevil - May 28, 2013 01:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Other
Source: Fenix122

Please be objective when voting, and use most iconic version unless otherwise stated.

Bane vs Kingpin




Wildcat vs Black Cat



Orion vs Hercules



Thanks for voting, and feel free to explain your decisions in the comments.
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FOOM
FOOM - 5/28/2013, 2:10 PM
Bane
Black Cat
Herc
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/28/2013, 4:00 PM
Bane
Wildcat
Hercules
JuggyPunch
JuggyPunch - 5/28/2013, 4:32 PM
Stalemate (depends on venom or not)
Black Cat (Ted aready lost to Selina)
Orion (equal strength, Orion can fly and use astroblasts)
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/28/2013, 5:28 PM
^ i second that virile, fenix is on point
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/28/2013, 5:49 PM
Thanks alot guys, I really appreciate the encouragement. I will try to post these fights as often as I can, but I appreciate it.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/28/2013, 6:00 PM
@LoudLon
I don't think Kingpin could really put up much of a fight against Spidey unless Peter was holding back tremendously.

@Virileman and JuggyPunch
IMO, Wildcat getting beat by Catwoman was BS. Seeing as he fought the likes of Batman and had great success in fighting him to a stalemate.
SpideyQuad
SpideyQuad - 5/28/2013, 7:09 PM
I can't see how Felicia would lose the wildcat.It doesn't matter what version you want to go with. The bad luck version. The enhanced version which came after Dr. strange temporarily removed her bad luck. Or the version that uses the enhanced costume and instruments from the tinker (I believe that version also has the bad luck powers).

Taking all that how does even a champion boxer stacked up? Like I said I don't see it.

@Fenix, ditto on the good work! If you need a hand contact me, I'm pretty much available 24/7.
Applebloom
Applebloom - 5/28/2013, 8:35 PM
As we're going the iconic versions, I'll assume Bane has venom. That being said, Kingpin may be able to hold his own against Daredevil, but I doubt he can take on Bane unless he can outsmart him.

As much as I'd like to vote for Wildcat, and I really do, I don't see him winning here. Felicia's enhancements give her the upper had.

I don't know much about Orion or Hercules but Hercules looks stronger so I guess I'll go with him.
unknownfacts
unknownfacts - 5/28/2013, 9:29 PM
Bane vs Kingpin

Kingpin puts up a go fight but in the end Bane wins due to his greater strength and fighting skills.

Black cat vs Wildcat

Catwoman only won only won due to the fact she kicked him in the groin during a sparring match.

That being said I still give it to Black cat due to her speed and agility.Wildcat will get some good shots in but in the end the match will go to Black cat

Hercules vs Orion

Orion wins due to aerial superiority.While I think Hercules is the stronger of the two,strength means nothing if you can't hit your target.Factor that in with 4th world tech being able to harm Superman level characters and Orion should be able to win this one.
SageMode
SageMode - 5/28/2013, 9:59 PM
BLACK CAT vs WILDCAT Wildcat

Wildcat for sure. Much better fighter. The whole losing to Catwoman thing is BS, cause of we were to go by that logic, Batman got defeated by Mr.Zsasz who physically and skill-wise way below Bats. But Wildcat has stalemated Bats on like 2 occasions and even gained the upperhand on him once, dropped Solomon Grundy, and got the upperhand against the Injustice Society IIRC.
SageMode
SageMode - 5/28/2013, 10:08 PM
And BTW, BLACK CAT doesn't have enhanced physical attributes anymore.
PLUSH
PLUSH - 5/29/2013, 1:59 AM
Bane
Wildcat
Hercules
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/30/2013, 2:35 AM
so youre telling me that all these human characters can stalemate spiderman but you all scoff at the notion that batman could?? double standard there....
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/30/2013, 1:30 PM
Hm.....I don't know guys. I've seen Kingpin and Daredevil get the upper hand against Spidey, but I was always under the impression that was because he pulls his punches. Because a full on 10 tons of force Spidey punch COULD kill Daredevil, and knock Kingpin's head right off his shoulders. DD has super powers, but as far as durability and strength he's still peak human level nowhere near Spidey.

How else would Doc Ock take a punch from Spidey?? Otto's body is that of a regular human, Spidey could instantly kill him if he wanted to, but he doesn't.

Spidey fights at the same level as his opponent, so like when he's fighting Green Goblin or Venom he gives it his all. But, if he fights street thugs, or Daredevil or Kingpin....or Batman. He would fight at their level. Which gives them the opportunity to beat him.

I still believe Spidey takes a vast majority against DD, Kingpin or Batman. But, he doesn't fight at full force all the time. If he did, Kingpin, DD, Doc Ock, etc. would be dead. And Spidey doesn't kill.
FOOM
FOOM - 5/30/2013, 2:15 PM
I love these threads and I love the fact that so many of the contributors here are knowledgeable and thoughtful. Also like the fact that I can come here without the 'obligatory ' and infantile & A which seems to fill so many of the other threads here.
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/30/2013, 3:13 PM
@ loud, dont get angry cuz im callin you out bro but the only one in that list of your that would beat batman consistently is tombstone. Bats has stalemated rogers, and would beat DD and smash Ox so yeah i do see a double standard there
relentless1
relentless1 - 5/30/2013, 3:14 PM
and show me where ive voted pure favouritism in these battles, i always have good reasoning for my choices
SpideyQuad
SpideyQuad - 5/30/2013, 3:24 PM
I don't ever remember reading this, and I've read a lot of Spiderman books across the spectrum, but maybe he relies somehow on his spider sense on how much force to use without being lethal. My logic being if he "fears" hurting someone so much his spider sense should kick in since it is a real fear of his. I should write this stuff!
SpideyQuad
SpideyQuad - 5/30/2013, 3:28 PM
By the way, the last time I read about tombstone he was seriously enhanced. Maybe that changed, I always hated the character because he gave Spiderman such a hard time when he shouldn't have.

Most of those instances you mention Loud happened early in Spidey's career. I always chalked those stories up to poor writing mainly because the character was less than a decade old then.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 5/30/2013, 3:35 PM
@relentless
Like I've said a thousand times, crossovers aren't canon. Cap would defeat Batman, Bats is inferior physically and skill wise. DD would stalemate him as would Panther, Bronze Tiger and multiple others. I don't know much about Tombstone or Ox, so I'll stay out of that one.

@SpideyQuad
I think in the early days of Spider-Man he was really weak, back when Lee was writing I think Kraven was stronger than him. Kraven can lift like 3 tons or something, so I could see Kingpin or other people at that level beating the original Spider-Man.
JuggyPunch
JuggyPunch - 5/30/2013, 3:58 PM
Peter Parker > Tombstone > Steve Rogers > Matt Murdock = Bruce Wayne > Bane = Kingpin

/end
JuggyPunch
JuggyPunch - 5/30/2013, 4:47 PM
relentless, hm lemme see. Black Widow v Green Arrow, you say Ollie is stronger and a better fighter. Neither of which is true. And you say Wonder Woman stronger than Juggernaut, back it up with showings or anything and you can't. You say fricken Batgirl is ten times better martial artist than Daredevil, the most laughable thing I ever heard. I not even gonna go into the cbm fight club where I saw you said Batman can beat Surfer, Thor and Iron Man.
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