Is Christopher Nolan's view on Batman THE blueprint of how CBM's should be made?

Is Christopher Nolan's view on Batman THE blueprint of how CBM's should be made?

Is the Nolanverse ground-breaking and rightly deserving of all of its acclamations? Or is it a pretentious series filled with character deviations and a disregard from its source? Hit the link to read what I personally think…

Editorial Opinion
By WinterSoldier24 - Aug 16, 2011 08:08 PM EST
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I guess I’m the new guy here seeing as how I just signed up. This is also the very first thing I’m posting but I visit this site regularly so all you CBM veterans out there take it easy on me, Cheers!

Back to the article. Now first off let me say that I am in no way, shape or form a person that doesn’t like where Nolan has taken the character of Batman & CO. I think what he’s done for the character as well as DC is great for the genre and for his credentials as a film maker. But does that mean his ultra-realistic version of Batman should be the corner-stone on a new darker, grittier tone for all movies adapted from comic books?

First, let’s look at the tone of his series from a subjective point of view. Batman has always been grounded in reality. I believe the only ‘fantasy’ aspect of Batman is the Lazarus Pit. Besides that, it’s all grounded in reality. So while I hear everyone saying that Nolan’s take on a CBM is the best way to translate a comic book to the big screen, you forget to consider the source. His entire world is filled with criminals that all operate with the same M.O., respectively. No super powers whatsoever besides the typical super-strength you get within every organization he comes across. With that in mind, it would make the jump from the comic book pages to the silver screen easier than let’s say, if you had a green ring that make any construct at your will as long as you can remain focused. No I’m not taking any jabs at Green Lantern, I’m just comparing characters.

Second, the gadgets and toys the dark knight uses. No more bat mobile, bat wing or bat cycle for the caped crusader. Now we have the Tumbler, the Batpod and whatever Nolan’s going to call Batman’s new wheels (or wings) in The Dark Knight Rises. Now, I’m not saying that these were bad deviations from the comics BUT what was so bad with what he originally drove, rode or piloted? I understand that he’s going for a ‘in the real world’ approach but what is wrong with the concept that billionaire playboy and super-smart guy Bruce Wayne could assemble his own vehicles from ‘junkyard scrap’ and the endless amount of resources he has? Why would Nolan steer clear of the perfect detective and create a more of a ‘crime fighter’ that relies on other people to create gadgets for him? That’s what makes Batman who he is, because he is so smart that he’s able to outwit any of his opponents and create toys that could get him out of any jam.

Finally, the character of Batman himself. No longer do we have The World’s Greatest Detective, but are left with a shadow of his original self. As I said in the paragraph above, we now have a ‘hero that Gotham doesn’t need’ with absolutely no detective skills and a reliance on a science division from his company. I’m sorry Mr. Nolan but there was nothing wrong with a man that pushed himself to the physical limits of the human body WHILST being intelligent enough to create his trademark costume and different gadgets. No, now he must purchase parts of his costume from different countries rather than make them himself.

So does that mean his ultra-realistic version of Batman should be the corner-stone on a new darker, grittier tone for all movies adapted from comic books? The answer is no, I’m sorry ladies and gentlemen but the answer has to be no. All he’s done is take a reality based hero and grounded him in reality on film. Have his movies been stellar and worthy of sequels? Yes. Are they worthy of Oscars and become branded as the holy grail of comic book movies? No. Thank you all for taking the time to read this (those who have anyway) and I’m looking forward to talking with you all! :) <3

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JackDexx
JackDexx - 8/16/2011, 8:50 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
BrotherQStark
BrotherQStark - 8/16/2011, 8:51 PM
Christopher Nolan=Overrated Douchebag
JackDexx
JackDexx - 8/16/2011, 8:53 PM




Checkmate
Checkmate - 8/16/2011, 9:16 PM
Good article. I definitely hope that for a reboot, they stick with a more comic book-y feel and aren't afraid to take on the fantasy/sci-fi sides of Batman.
Shades
Shades - 8/16/2011, 9:27 PM
Are they worthy of Oscars? Yes. Begins and Dark Knight are examples of excellent filmmaking, when so many Hollywood films lack it.

Should every comic book movie be made the same way? No, and anyone who believes they should is a fool. If every superhero movie attempts to be The Dark Knight, then every movie is the same. That's why Iron Man was such a big success, because it was different AND good. That's also why people liked First Class, because it was a breath of fresh air to a dying X-Men franchise.

Nolan makes brilliant films, but nobody should take a comic book property and say "Ok people, let's make Howard the Duck, Chris Nolan style!"
WinterSoldier24
WinterSoldier24 - 8/16/2011, 9:29 PM
@ Dane @TABOO13 Thanks! But I agree if not rebooted then continue the story with build up to the more comic book Batman.

I love Batman to death but I prefer the comic book version. Nolan has changed far too many little things to the point where it's almost a different character altogether.

Thanks again geeks!

Shades
Shades - 8/16/2011, 9:29 PM
MrAnonymous = Lameass hater.Same old shit.
Shades
Shades - 8/16/2011, 9:30 PM
@WinterSoldier24 - How the [frick] is it a different character?
WinterSoldier24
WinterSoldier24 - 8/16/2011, 9:33 PM
@ Shades Excellent film making? Yes I agree with you. Oscar-worthy? No. There was a reason TDK had so much publicity and I'm sorry to say, but it was because of the death of Heath Leadger. He was great as The Joker BUT, that doesn't mean his portrayal was tear-jerking, respectively.
WinterSoldier24
WinterSoldier24 - 8/16/2011, 9:35 PM
@Shades why are you getting mad bro? Lol really I mean all I did was type up my thoughts. I'm sorry if you can't handle what I said but that's not my problem buddy, that's yours. "The Worlds Greatest Detective" Christian Bale was not. Fact.
sonofsamadams
sonofsamadams - 8/16/2011, 9:44 PM



@WINTERSOLDIER

GREAT ARTICLE DUDE!

...but I agree with Shades. He's not really different.
Shades
Shades - 8/16/2011, 9:50 PM
@WinterSoldier24 - I know he's not portrayed as The World's Greatest Detective, and that does bother me slightly, but does that make it a "different character"? No. It's still an accurate interpretation of the character. His essential characteristics are still intact. People go on and on about how the Nolan films differ from the source material, yet so much of the two films was pulled from Year One, The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke, and The Man Who Falls. Harvey Dent for example, was straight out of Long Halloween, except for how his face was scarred. And quite frankly, I'm fine with them deviating from the source material if they can create something just as good, which is what Nolan has done here.

The Dark Knight had tons of publicity because of Ledger's death, very true. I'm not disagreeing. That doesn't make the film not Oscar worthy though. You agreed it was an excellent film.... that's all it needs to win awards. But to say that Ledger is the only reason people gave a crap about this movie is foolish. People were highly anticipating TDK for months before Ledger's death. Nolan's smart viral campaign, the teaser and the theatrical trailers, and the fact that it was a sequel to Batman Begins, also need to be kept in mind. One of the reasons Ledger's death got so much publicity was because of TDK! Everyone knew he had delivered a fantastic performance as The Joker, which garnered Oscar buzz long before his death.
Shades
Shades - 8/16/2011, 9:51 PM
@Justsomeawesomeguy - HAHAHAHA!
And thanks lol.
WinterSoldier24
WinterSoldier24 - 8/16/2011, 9:51 PM
@ Justsomeawesomeguy Thanks bro! But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. In my eyes he wasn't the bat that I grew up on, but that's just me.
sonofsamadams
sonofsamadams - 8/16/2011, 9:56 PM
...but I will add this-they are worthy of *NOMINATIONS for Oscars at least. Nolan has brought a better version of Batman to the screen that Burton and Schumacher didn't do. Burton did pretty good, but Schumacher killed it. This isn't highly realistic, but it mostly is. It has more real world values than most CBMs out there today and that's why they're so popular-because the audience loves the style Nolan has brought. It strays away from the comics and gives us something NEW. That's why they're so great. Batman is still the guy we love-he fights for a purpose-he fights those who prey on the fearful. Now Granted this is like the 600th view where someone says his movies aren't close to their source material, Well Singer's X-men strayed way off as well yet no one bitches about that, But this article is great because its well written and isn't completely one sided like a lot of other clowns on this site. I like it because its neutral, even though I disagree with a few points. Good work and keep posting more articles.
WinterSoldier24
WinterSoldier24 - 8/16/2011, 9:57 PM
@Shades I'm sorry bro but if you can show me a link or somewhere where it states that Heath was getting Oscar buzz I will agree with you. Also, me agreeing with you that it was an excellent film is moot because, as I said before, Heaths portrayal of The Joker as great as he was, wasn't to the point where it touched the soul. If it did for you then ok that fine, I don't care. But Nolan's Batman wasn't who it should've been.
WinterSoldier24
WinterSoldier24 - 8/16/2011, 10:03 PM
@Just Thanks dude! Schumacher did in fact kill the bat and I do credit Nolan for bringing him back because I loved Begins BUT, he essentially took a character with no supernatural powers chalk full of realistic situations and bad guys and brought him to the big screen. That's the point I'm making. Great films no doubt, but to say that Nolan's movies are setting the bar for CBM's is pretty ridiculous. It's a realistic character with realistic settings and it's all grounded in reality, I just don't think he did anything special. But, that's just my opinion. Cheers everybody!
WinterSoldier24
WinterSoldier24 - 8/16/2011, 10:10 PM
Oh and one more thing before I forget, Singers X-Men movies were horrible because of the source deviation, but the masses flocked to it like fly's on shit. Just goes to show how comic dorks views differ from the general public. We know nothing in their eyes lol.
sonofsamadams
sonofsamadams - 8/16/2011, 10:20 PM
Nolan's Batman movies are solid COMICBOOKMOVIES.

...but they GREAT comicbook ADAPTATIONS. If you get that, ten points to Griffendor! If you don't, well then there's just no talking to you
sonofsamadams
sonofsamadams - 8/16/2011, 10:28 PM
...well sorry...?

That was really the first comment I've seen on here that someone said they hated the Singer movies. Mostly I see users praise the hell out of them.
cable23
cable23 - 8/16/2011, 11:08 PM
@MrAnonymous Please explain how Nolan is an overrated douchebag. Im not trying to come off rude, I was just curious.
kong
kong - 8/17/2011, 3:58 AM
^ You user now my favorite user of this site
Coldblood6
Coldblood6 - 8/17/2011, 4:14 AM
WinterSoldier24

Excellent article.

tdk is the most overrated crap movie in the history of mankind.

I was so relieved when it did not get nominated for Best Picture; it showed that the Academy had taste and intelligence way above the masses who got wowed by ledger's performance and were fooled into thinking it was a good movie.

It would have been a travesty if it had been nominated, because it was not worthy of it.

JackDexx
JackDexx - 8/17/2011, 5:17 AM
wow i'm guessing your a world famous designer extraordinaire.
did you use CS5 for that masterpiece or illustrator?
oh i'm sorry i guess you don't know what that is.
put a little more effort if you want to insult me chump.
JackDexx
JackDexx - 8/17/2011, 5:20 AM
@justsomerandomguy

Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 8/17/2011, 6:42 AM
WinterSoldier24: Great write up, I agree with everything you said. Welcome aboard. While I really like Nolan's take on Bat's, I don't believe it's the be all- end all for CBMs like many here do.

TGDSG: Are you a fabricator/builder/craftsman? Because I am and if you know what you're doing and have the finances for equipment and required materials, it doesn't take any time at all to make the items you're throwing out there. With a plasma cutter, grinder and polishing wheel it would take about 20 minutes for a Battarang. The rest would all depend on how devoted you were to getting them made.
ComicBrooks
ComicBrooks - 8/17/2011, 8:17 AM
I 100% agree with u winter! I like the nolan movies but if i want a REAL batman film Burton all the way!
ThaMessenger07
ThaMessenger07 - 8/17/2011, 9:17 AM
The Movies are worthy of Praise for being great Movies. But no they are FAR from what I want in a Batman Film. He ditched a lot of Key points that make Batman who he is in comics today and has been for decades.

Still they are worthy of there praise and support. And all nominations were just.
naterator
naterator - 8/17/2011, 9:42 AM
I agree with points from both sides of this conversation ...ill just say this. I have enjoyed these movies overall because of the meticulous quality of the effort put into making these films unlike all the other batman movies that came before them. Nolan has done us all a favor and not given us corny movies that have ultimately disappointed. I loved keaton in the suit and his interpretation...except where he walks toward his foes with his cape stretched out.
WinterSoldier24
WinterSoldier24 - 8/17/2011, 10:22 AM
@Just Bro I said I thought they were good FILMS period lol.

@Everybody Thanks for all of the input! I'm happy some of you agree with me in saying that while they were great movies they were NOT the movies that made Batman who he is.

@Tea Dude that's the best welcome banner I've ever seen! I <3 boobies
TheQuestion
TheQuestion - 8/17/2011, 10:29 AM
I have to disagree with Wintersoldier on a lot of things. Firstly, Batman originally had someone build him the Batmobile, he didn't create it himself. His first crime fighting equipment was minimal, only having a few batarangs, a grappling hook, and rope. In Batman Begins, Bruce actually creates his own batarangs and even though he got some equipment from Lucious, he altered things himself. Second, TDK did feature Bruce using some detective skills, far more so than in Batman Begins. I don't know how anyone thinks he didn't. He had an entire crime lab for Christ's sake. His methods were a little more of what you would find with an FBI forensics team than your typical beat detective, but Nolan did a fine job of showing how Batman gets things done.
marvel72
marvel72 - 8/17/2011, 10:36 AM
nolan batman's are well written but are extremely overrated,they're good but thats about it.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/17/2011, 10:44 AM
To say that Batman's character is grounded in reality in the comics is a little tough to say. It really depends on what version/interpretation you're reading.

There are a lot of stories that are, indeed, grounded in reality. But there are also a lot of stories that are completely off the wall with crazy characters.

Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, Ventriloquist and Scarface, Mad Hatter, Killer Croc, these are not characters that are grounded. They are as out there as any other supervillain.

But it all goes back to what version you're interpreting. Hell, the original incarnation of Batman had him wielding a gun and killing people on purpose. So that pretty much says everything.
marvel72
marvel72 - 8/17/2011, 10:48 AM
what i want from a batman movie.

-comic/animated series costume no suit of armor.

-f*ck realism i want to see killer croc,hush,clayface,bane,black mask & so on.

-no stupid throat cancer voice

-wayne mannor & bat cave to feature in all movies

-detective work

-batman mobile that looks like the batmobile

-hot love intrests

thing's nolan didn't deliver.
SigmaCenturion
SigmaCenturion - 8/17/2011, 11:00 AM
@marvel72 i agree with you on that part well except the love interest that part always bores the shit out of me in cbms. unless they were to have it be like catwoman or the woman from mask of the phantasm where it is actually important to the story not like other movies where they are just there to get taken hostage. hints to a batman beyond costume would be pretty sweet too
WinterSoldier24
WinterSoldier24 - 8/17/2011, 11:11 AM
@Sigma Mask of the Phantasm was a great flick. I still watch it to this day.
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