Looking back at CBMs by SONY

I look over every Marvel film made by Sony, address the good and bad and finally look at where they can go from here.

Editorial Opinion
By GuardianDevil - Mar 22, 2014 02:03 PM EST
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Welcome again my friends, since 2002 Sony Pictures has launched a massively successful Marvel movie franchise. They've taken two different properties and they've done their own take with the characters. Today I'm going to take a look at every Marvel movie from Sony from worst to best and address the good as well as the bad from each movie. Please keep in mind this is not all CBMs from Sony Pictures (Hellboy, Robocop, etc.) only the Marvel based ones. I didn't feel like the others would fit in the same vein of what I'm trying to do. So please, read on and enjoy!



        



Sad spot here at the bottom of the list for the 2007 superhero film titled Ghost Rider directed by Mark Steven Johnson and starring Nicholas Cage, Eva Mendes and Wes Bentley. This is the sad spot for the Sony Marvel movies. Ghost Rider set a new low for the Marvel films of the 2000's. Think about it, in 2000 X-Men came along and was great. 2002 Spider-Man and Blade 2 were awesome, 2003 Hulk and Daredevil weren't blockbusters but neither was as bad as people say, X2 came out the same year and was amazing. 2004, Spider-Man 2 came and is still the best Marvel movie to date. Add to that The Punisher which was good not great. Then in 2005, Fantastic 4 came along and wasn't very good. 2006, a third X-Men which sucked. Then in 2007, the ultimate year of the dude. Fantastic Four 2, I thought sucked but judging by a lot of the comments on my Fox article some fans really enjoyed so perhaps it needs a rewatch. And the disappointing Spider-Man 3 in the same year...but none of those, not a single one is as atrocious as Ghost Rider. Ghost Rider set the ultimate low as far as all Marvel films go, not a single Marvel film to date is as bad as Ghost Rider.

The story to me feels very vague, I got the basic drift. Like his dad is sick or something, so Nicholas Cage makes a deal with Satan to sell his soul in exchange for his fathers's. But something happens and his dad dies anyway, but Satan's nemesis Blackheart shows up and is trying to make a hell on Earth that's actually worse than the normal hell. This is the story in a nutshell, I think so at least. I haven't seen it in a long time and there's also the fact that it seems very vague and there isn't anything about it that's even memorable. In all actuality is pretty horribly written to say the least. But that's not the movies only issue. Flat acting and straight up horrible casting decisions bog down this already flimsy material.

Nicholas Cage is an outstanding actor, an award winning actor. So how, please tell me how they can make a movie with him that is this terrible. Sure those National Treasure films aren't great but they were average at the worst. Not even approachable to being as bad as Ghost Rider. In this movie I feel like Nic Cage is really out of place and was a really bad choice. Wes Bentley is another one, his character is poorly written and just lame. The movie also suffers from a lot of god-awful special effects on Blackheart particularly. But what really kills this movie, even more so than the shit story line and the piss poor acting, even more than the crappy CGI. Is the overall product. What I mean by that is, there is nothing about this movie that makes you remember it. I mean at least it's sequel had some fun scenes and was laughably bad but this movie has absolutely nothing to it. It's bad and it's also completely forgettable.
 
Overall, Ghost Rider is atrocious. Perhaps on a technical level it's sequel is even more atrocious. But the sequel had the grace to be memorably terrible, this movie is terrible and not memorable in any way. I can't watch this film, it's too boring and lame. I actually found it difficult to write this because there isn't a whole lot I remembered about it. And there's no way I'm going to watch it again. That's outta the question.


 
Rating: 2/10



        

         

Coming up at second worst on the list is the 2012 superhero sequel entitled Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance. Directed by Mark Neveldine and Brian Taylor. Starring Nicholas Cage and Violante Placido. Wow, all I can say is WOW. What in the holy hell were the executives thinking?? So you produce a movie, a flat out horrible movie. A movie that is a failure on every level, a failure commercially, financially and critically. But you still decide to follow through on a sequel to one of the worst films in the whole genre?? And even worse you hire back the same out of place actor?? Whatever the thought process behind the whole thing was. I will never understand what they saw in this crap-fest and why in God's name they felt that a sequel was in order. 

But with that said, I suppose there was one thing good that came out of the decision to make a sequel. It's hard to be as bad as the original film, and this sequel although terrible is still not quite as bad as it's predecessor. The story still sucks though, it's not memorable either and it's really vague. It's like if I remember it correctly there's the kid who is supposed to be Danny Ketch and he's being hunted by the devil I think and so Ghost Rider is taking him into his protection whilst still dealing with his previous encounter with the devil. There's also a crap load of religious mumbo jumbo slipped in all over the place and it muddles up the plot because it takes it all way too seriously. The story is worse than the first one, but it is laughably bad in some parts. At least how much of the hocus pocus stuff is thrown around.

The special effects are better this time around, although the camera shots and cinematography are still trash. The CGI works here and even though the action is bad. There are a few fun moments. Like the fire peeing scene. The acting was pretty atrocious as it was in the first film and they really needed to boot Nicholas Cage. The villains I thought weren't memorable at all, I'd call them underwhelming at the least. As a whole, Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance is not even close to being a good film. But it does have a few fun scenes, add those to the badass costume redesign of the Rider and I'd call it an improvement over the original. But that doesn't make it good...

Rating: 3/10



        
           

Coming in as fourth best is the 2007 superhero sequel entitled Spider-Man 3. Directed by Sam Raimi, and starring Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, Topher Grace, Thomas Haden Church, James Franco, J.K. Simmons and Rosemary Harris. Well now, the last two placements on the list Spider-Man 3 almost sounds like a masterpiece doesn't it?? It's obviously not, but even so I don't believe it's nearly as bad as people try to make it sound. People try to make it look like it was one of the worst comic book stories ever put to film when it's obviously not. It's not great, and it doesn't live up to it's own expectations as well as those set by the previous films. But it's not horrible by any means....

Moving on, I still think that Tobey Maguire receives way too much hate for his role as Peter Parker and Spider-Man. I feel he actually did a really great job with everything he was given. But facts are facts, Spider-Man 3 is easily the weakest point of Tobey's Spider-Man and arguably the weakest point of his entire career. Tobey Maguire in Spider-Man 3 pretty much proves what not to do in his career. You know some great actors are very versatile, they can play a whole range of roles, take Ben Kingsley for instance. But even though Tobey is a fantastic actor, I think it's safe to say that he isn't one of those guys. The dark, emo character he attempts to pull off is just laughably bad. I don't know if it was being to be funny, or trying to make you scared of the Venom symbiote. But I do know it was not necessary and without the inclusion of an emo Peter Parker this movie would have been a lot better and would have had an easier time trying to get across it's message.

But the problems don't end there, Venom one of Spider-Man's greatest foes feels like he wasn't meant to be in this movie and he seems shoehorned into the end. Even so I loved Topher Grace's performance and the look of Venom was badass, the only problem with Venom in Spider-Man 3 is the sheer lack of him. James Franco is as great as he was in the previous movies except now he's got a vendetta, and he's out for revenge. I actually liked the design for the suit and actually thought Franco was one of the best parts of the movie. But that goddamn butler....shaking my head....Thomas Haden Church is another bright spot. His Sandman brought some much needed emotional depth to the movie and I actually really liked the character and his story. 

Probably the greatest highlight of the movie is the action. While it ain't up to par with the likes of Transformers, Man of Steel or The Avengers. It was indeed the brightest point of the movie. As a whole the muddled, overcrowded plot combined with too many weird ass Tobey scenes especially with him crying and dancing and shit. All that bogs the movie down quite a bit. But the villains, the acting from most and most importantly the action brings this movie up a few notches. Takes it out of being bad and into being just average. A guilty pleasure to be sure...


Rating: 6.5/10





            
          
Third place on the list belongs to the 2012 reboot simply called The Amazing Spider-Man. Directed by Marc Webb and starring Andrew Garfield, Emma Stone, Rhys Ifans and Martin Sheen. The Amazing Spider-Man was a reboot of the Spider-Man series helmed by Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire. The two series are completely unrelated. The Amazing Spider-Man I thought, was a decent retelling of Spider-Man's origin. But it's not really all that interesting, it really doesn't do anything original or creative just kinda mimics other comic book films and in the end comes out as nothing more than mediocrity.
 
Firstly, the story is generic and I feel like I've seen the same already. The basic origin story has always gotta be the same. But it's the villain that makes it feel even more like a repeat of the original Spider-Man. So Conners is a rich scientist who is a big figure in Peter's life. Peter who has lost his father and his uncle turns to him as a father figure. But Conners' has been working on a physical enhancement but human trials are long in the future. So he tests it on himself and the results are bad, I mean really bad. Conners starts to develop multiple personalities and he begins to hear voices arguing within his head. In the end Peter has to fight the man that he looked up to.  Sound familiar? How about EXACTLY like the original Spider-Man....just with different actors. That's the biggest problem with The Amazing Spider-Man, it was completely UNNECESSARY, it didn't need to be made. It feels like an inferior knock off of the original Spider-Man except it lacked the great storytelling but more importantly the heart.
 
That's another area where it fails, it had no heart. Spider-Man is unlikable, he's a jerk in this movie. In the end he still hasn't learned from his mistakes even though two people he loves have already died because of him. The movie just lacked heart and passion. Also it tries so much to be dark and credible that it forgets the goofiness of the whole thing. The conflicting tones don't work for me. I mean it's trying to be dark, serious and grounded in reality but you can't take that seriously when you have a guy dressed in spandex chasing a life size dinosaur through a library while an old man stands by unaware of the whole thing, it's just impossible for it to be grounded in any kind of reality. 

There are positives to this movie though. I really like Andrew Garfield's performance as Peter Parker and Spider-Man. The cinematography and score were nothing short of excellent. I also enjoyed the action sequences and the romance. As a whole the movie lacks a lot of things like heart and good storytelling. But the acting is pretty great, I like the soundtrack a lot and the score is great. It's an OKAY retelling of Spider-Man's origin,  it's still mediocre at best. If you want to see the REAL version, watch the 2002 movie.

Rating: 6.5/10




           


Second place on the list is the 2002 origin film entitled Spider-Man. Directed by Sam Raimi and starring Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, Willem Dafoe, J.K. Simmons, James Franco and Rosemary Harris. Spider-Man was the third comic book movie that helped the genre to really relaunch itself after the many failures and shortcomings of the 90's comic book films. It was Blade that proved that Marvel characters could actually work on film and actually be good. It was X-Men that proved that Marvel movies could actually be taken seriously by studios and critics. But it was Spider-Man that proved that studios could score BIG with Marvel's characters and that audiences all over the world would pay through the nose to see these films. Since then it's been a Marvel movie craze, one after another. Some succeed, some fail, but all owe their existence to Blade, X-Men and Spider-Man. 
 
Spider-Man's influence on the genre is huge. But even when you look past that, there's a lot to love about Sam Raimi's first stab at a Spider-Man film. For one thing, the movie is all heart from start to finish. It's not like a soap opera at all, but it's an emotional character piece that covers most of the bases and gets what makes for a great superhero film. The story is probably the only weak spot, it's not bad by any means it's actually pretty good but the actual plot in and of itself is pretty underwhelming. But it's the characters that make this movie move. The first and most important of which is the character of Peter Parker/Spider-Man played by Tobey Maguire. I really don't care what's popular nowadays. But regardless Tobey is still the best Spider-Man. He has the heart, the character and the heroism that Mr. Garfield has lacked so far.
 
Willem Dafoe as Green Goblin is excellent casting, and despite what some might say about him he remains as one of my all time favorite comic book movie villains. There is nothing wrong with the suit, it looked completely badass except for the face which even then doesn't look bad. The glider, the armor, the razors, the bombs, the character, the insanity and most importantly Dafoe's acting is all perfection. Green Goblin in Spider-Man 1 is my favorite Marvel movie villain so far. Take that for whatever it's worth. Kirsten Dunst kinda sucks in the next two, but in this movie she wasn't so bad. I still love the iconic kiss in the rain and I actually thought she was hot in that scene.

James Franco and Rosemary Harris pull off great supporting character. But it's J.K. Simmons who absolutely rules! Overall Spider-Man is nothing short of excellent. The only negatives are SLIGHTLY overly cheesy, and the story itself was slightly underwhelming. If not for those two things it'd be a perfect 10. Spider-Man is a great movie any fan can truly enjoy...

Rating: 8.5/10


 

      


First place goes out to the best Spider-Man movie so far, the best Sony Pictures produced film, the best Marvel based movie so far and second best superhero film of all time...Spider-Man 2! Spider-Man 2 is a 2004 superhero sequel directed by Sam Raimi and starring Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, James Franco, Alfred Molina, Rosemary Harris and J.K. Simmons. After director Sam Raimi hit it big time with studios and audiences with his hit movie Spider-Man. It was obvious that a sequel was in order. While not nearly as influential to the genre, or as close to the source material as Raimi's first film. It still a vast improvement from a film making perspective. Let's dive into the many joys of Spider-Man 2.

First off, I think all of the casting from the first film did a great job again with the exception of Kirsten Dunst. I liked her in the first movie, but after that she kinda goes down hill. But it's the new addition that brings a ton of gravitas and pathos to this movie which helps it along in every way. Alfred Molina is an excellent actor, and he is fantastic in his role as Doctor Octopus. While he is nothing like his evil, sadistic comic book counterpart he is still an interesting take on a great villain. I really liked his story, and how in the end he is forced to listen to his own words as he is becoming what he despises. Aunt May's words about there being a true hero in all of us that finally allows us to die holding on to our pride ring true in the moment when Ock is forced to realize what he's created and sacrifices himself to stop it and save the city.

Spider-Man's own character arc is nothing short of excellent. It is all about selfishness, and choosing not to be selfish. Choosing to put what we know to be right and true before what we personally desire. Peter had to learn that through out the course of the film and it took losing his powers to do so. It also took taking on New York's most dangerous villain to date on many occasions. Many action scenes take place in this movie and they are all great. The train sequence is still my favorite superhero action scene of all time. The bank robbery scene before that is amazing as well. Another great one is when Doc Ock awakes in the operating room and goes all terminator on the doctors.

Overall, Spider-Man 2 is a stroke of cinematic genius. The story is great, it's one of learning to put others, along with truth and goodness above yourself and your selfish desires. The villain was amazing, one of the all time greatest. The action scenes are exhilarating and still among the best even today. Add to that Elfman's down right beautiful score and we've got a masterpiece on our hands.


Rating: 10/10


 


 



So basically, it's just Spider-Man 1 & 2 for me. Those are the only ones that can actually stand out as great films outside the series. TASM is the epitome of mediocrity, and Spider-Man 3 has moments of greatness but as a whole isn't great or even close. And the Ghost Riders just flat out sucked donkey balls. Even with my disdain of TASM, I am excited for the upcoming sequel. I think going through the origin AGAIN was unnecessary and pretty rough for the character to be honest. And Webb seems to have learned from his mistake of trying to make it dark and grounded. (something Spider-Man can never be) There's really nothing not to love or to not be excited about in the new movie. I hope 3 & 4 do great as well, I see the potential for the villains based films they've been talking about and I'm really dying to see a Venom solo. Anyhow, thanks for reading folks! Tell me what you think, and please be civil about it!


 
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BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 3/22/2014, 2:17 PM
I thought TASM was better than everything except SM-2.
marvel72
marvel72 - 3/22/2014, 2:21 PM
1st spider-man 2 5/5
2nd spider-man 5/5
3rd spider-man 3/the amazing spider-man 2.5/5
4th ghost rider 1/5
5th ghost rider spirit of vengeance 0/5
Nick56
Nick56 - 3/22/2014, 2:55 PM
1. Spider Man 2 (10/10)
2. Spider Man (9.5/10)
3. Spider Man 3 (6.5/10)
4. TASM (5/10)
5. Ghost Rider (4.5/10)
6. Ghost Rider: SOV (1/10)

imo
Interestein
Interestein - 3/22/2014, 3:18 PM
1. Spider-Man 2
2. The Amazing Spider-Man
3. Spider-Man
3. Spider-Man 3
4. Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
5. Ghost Rider

And I hope for TASM2 to be my new #1!
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 3/22/2014, 3:25 PM
I disagree with the statement that Ghost Rider set a new low for CMB's in the 2000s. Electra (2005) and Man-Thing (2005) did that. Those are the worst Marvel-based films. The worst DC are Supergirl (1973) and A League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen (2003). That's just my opinion, though. Great article. Here are my ratings for Sony:

Spiderman (2002): 3.5/5
Spiderman 2 (2004): 4/5
Ghost Rider (2007): 2/5
Spiderman 3 (2007): 2/5
Ghost Rider 2 (2012): 2.5/5
The Amazing Spiderman: 4/5

TASM2 looks awesome.
superherofan21
superherofan21 - 3/22/2014, 3:35 PM
Personally, I put TASM on the same level as Spider-Man 2... But to each his own.
BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 3/22/2014, 3:36 PM
My list looks EXACTLY like Interstein, except I never watched the GR films.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 3/22/2014, 3:41 PM
The dark, emo character he attempts to pull off is just laughably bad. I don't know if it was being to be funny, or trying to make you scared of the Venom symbiote. But I do know it was not necessary and without the inclusion of an emo Peter Parker this movie would have been a lot better and would have had an easier time trying to get across it's message.

Interesting comment. You're not wrong by any means, "Emo Peter Parker" was ridiculous in every sense of the word. But it was absolutely meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I honestly can't see how people don't realize that was purposely supposed to be as silly and over the top as possible.

I mean, look at it from Sam Raimi's perspective. The studio forces him to shoehorn Venom into the proceedings, and so he basically gave them the middle finger with all of Peter's dance scenes.

And it even makes logical sense in that universe of movies as well. That Peter Parker could never be evil...he's always been a nerdy, lovable dweeb. So when he gets involved with the Venom mess, of course his idea of being evil is trying to woo girls by his laughably bad "bad boy" antics.

It's as sarcastic and dry a sense of humor you'll ever see in movies nowadays. Add in the fact that literally everyone around Peter roll their eyes and dismiss him with disgust, and it's impossible to see how this could be mistaken for anything else for what it was.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 3/22/2014, 3:42 PM
Good article though, really enjoying this series!
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 3/22/2014, 3:53 PM
@Darkknight
I've never seen Man-Thing but is it not a TV movie??

Ghost Rider was worse than Elektra IMHO, I meant Marvel movies only. Ghost Rider is still the worst. Thanks though....

@MexicanSuperman
Is that so? Never woulda guessed....

@Superherofan, Interestein and BH
Agree to disagree guys, I felt that TASM was dry and heartless. Also poorly written....lacks the heart, energy and emotion of the original films.

It also tries too hard to be grounded in reality like Nolan, that type of film doesn't work when you've got a spandex clad teen chasing a dinosaur scientist through a library. There is nothing grounded about that and it tries way too hard to be dark and just be opposite of the Raimi films.

But I don't hate it, it's the epitome of the word mediocre IMHO....but to each their own, maybe you guys saw things in it that I didn't.

@SauronsBane
Hmmm...interesting observation, my point was really I just don't understand what the hell they were trying to get across with the emo Parker. I suppose like you say it could be Raimi giving middle finger to the studios, never thought of it that way.
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 3/22/2014, 4:22 PM
I disagree with Spirit of Vengeance, it was schlock, it new it was schlock, it was based on a schlock character. It was fun, unlike spiderman 3 which was bad trying to be good, it was almost accidental parody.
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 3/22/2014, 4:24 PM
Spider Man 2 (8.5)
Amazing Spiderman (8)
Spider Man (7.5)
Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance (5)
Spiderman 3 (2.5)
Ghost Rider (2)
staypuffed
staypuffed - 3/22/2014, 5:39 PM
Never seen the Ghost Rider movies so here's my Spidey list:
4. Spider-Man 3 (6/10)
3. Spider-Man (6.5/10)
2. Spider-Man 2 (7.5/10)
1. The Amazing Spider-Man (8.5/10)

Here's hoping TASM2 takes that number one spot.
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 3/22/2014, 5:44 PM
@JJ63
Man-Thing was originally going to be direct-to-video, but they decided to release it in theatres to help with the success of other franchises. However, they ran out of money to do so, so they were forced to make a deal with SyFy to help finish making it and release it on TV. SyFy ruins everything they touch, which explains the pathetic finished product.
CaptainAmerica31
CaptainAmerica31 - 3/22/2014, 7:16 PM
SM2-10/10
TASM-7.5/10
SM-7.4/10
CaptainAmerica31
CaptainAmerica31 - 3/22/2014, 7:22 PM
Idk ppl wanna say TAS-M2 is the TDK of spider-man but SM2 is the dark knight of spider man films. It's regarded by many as one of the greatest CBMs of all time. So if TAS-M2 is better than SM2 than it'll by default for many become one of the greatest CBMs. IF it's better. Also the fact that this will be 4 films makes me think TASM was sort of the prologue to the trilogy. But Webb not directing the 4th isn't comforting. Unless they get Fincher or some other guy to direct I wanna see Webb back
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 3/22/2014, 7:37 PM
I honestly like every CBM except....

Catwoman
Batman and Robin
Ghost Rider SoV
All the Donner Supermans except the first one.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 3/22/2014, 7:39 PM
I never had a problem with Nic Cage. Never understood the hate. Man has passion. The movies were just dumb.
Wolf38
Wolf38 - 3/22/2014, 7:39 PM
Yeah, SM2 and SM1 in first and second, very solid. I've never seen the Ghost Rider films.

I'd rank Spiderman 3 over TASM. SM3 was kind of over the top and had too much going on, but I really enjoyed it just the same, and find it worth re-watching.

TASM...felt unfinished. If the whole film had been as good as the first twenty minutes, it might be challenging for the top two spots. As is, it's my least fav so far.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 3/22/2014, 7:45 PM
I liked the first Ghost Rider film quite a bit. Some cheesy dialogue, but I enjoyed it.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 3/22/2014, 7:52 PM
Awesome article. I agree with you 100% on the list. TASM may be great, but half the time, all I was thinking was: "Seen it, seen it. Seen it." That kept me from taking things seriously. When Uncle Ben died, my heart didn't break like it did in the 2002 version. I was like; "Uncle Ben dead....aaaaand here comes the whole vengeance montage."

The only slight disagreement that I have with you is that I personally HATED the score for TASM. It felt like Horner was trying too hard to be memorable so he kept repeating the same tones. Plus, at moments it ruined the scene completely. How am I suppose to feel suspense at Spidey getting his butt whooped by the lizard at school when the music is all happy and cheerful? I mean, he wasn't winning.

SM2=10/10
SM= 9/10
TASM=7.5/10
SM3=6.5/10
GR=4/10
GR:SOW=1/10
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 3/22/2014, 8:23 PM
Great article.
TASM and Spider-Man 2 are great films done by Sony.
I can't say the same about the rest, because the rest have been some what mediocre.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 3/22/2014, 8:47 PM
@Tainted
Dude I love Nic Cage too, he's one of the best actors of our time. My point is how do you make a Nic Cage movie THAT bad....
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 3/22/2014, 9:12 PM
@JJ63. Did you really think both of them were that bad? SoV....definitely, but the first one too? Come on...give it another shot. Lol
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 3/22/2014, 10:16 PM
@WYLEEJAY

I like most CBMs as well, I don't like Superman 3/4, Catwoman, Elektra, Ghost Rider 1/2, Batman & Robin.

I've never seen Steel or Supergirl but I don't want to.

I moderately enjoyed Spider-Man 3, TASM, X3, Origins, F4 1 & 2, Iron Man 2/3, Thor 1/2, Punisher: War Zone, Blade 3 and Green Lantern. I moderately enjoyed them but I would never call them good movies.

I like/love everything else.

But I didn't like either Ghost Riders, I haven't seen the first since 2007. But I hated it back then...if you don't mind, what redeeming qualities did you see in them??
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 3/22/2014, 10:21 PM
No, Ang Lee's Hulk was exactly as bad as everyone says. In fact, it is worse. It's just absolutely horrible, unwatchable even. Tied with Superman IV for worst cbm ever.

On the list, Ghostrider 2 should be at the bottom. Ghostrider is at least watchable, the second one is barely above Hulk. As for the rest of the list, I don't really care about Spiderman.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 3/22/2014, 10:25 PM
@Lhornbk
Ang Lee's HULK is awesome ;)
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 3/22/2014, 10:29 PM
@Lhornbk
You know I see you going around saying Lee's Hulk sucked but I've never heard any argument from you saying why. Why not explain to me why it sucked, instead of just being like "Derp. So bad, unwatchably bad. Derp."
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 3/22/2014, 10:39 PM
Its against Lhornbks religion to say something positive....about most anything.

Ghost Rider.......right amount of story, action, humor and drama. Yeah, not the deepest story there is, and some of the dialogue is lame, but its well balanced. Plus the visuals were amazing for its time.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 3/22/2014, 11:04 PM
I actually kinda like Ang Lee's Hulk. Not LOVE, but far from the hate it recieves.

@WYLEEJAY; but the characters were poorly acted and came across as wooden. What was done to Blackheart was.....abominable. Nic's acting was sh!t and the plot felt generic.

Not saying that you're not allowed to like it, we all see different things in movies and I despised what I saw. Visuals were cool though and I liked that cop chase scene. Also it's nowhere NEAR as bad as it's sequel....but that's not saying much.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 3/23/2014, 12:51 AM
I can understand some of the hate towards Ang Lee's Hulk but i think it was just ahead of it's time. Ang Lee's Hulk in a way reminded me of Batman Begins where as everything seemed grounded and felt as if the Hulk's mythos could actually work in the real world. There where some problems with the films but they where very small and in my opinion i like Ang Lee's Hulk.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 3/23/2014, 1:48 AM
The problem was that although the story element was given a lot of focus; the whole HULK SMASH thing that people love was greatly reduced. The reboot had the exact opposite problem.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 3/23/2014, 2:19 AM
I LOVE both Ang Lee's HULK and The Incredible Hulk. But for different reasons though...

HULK because it looks deep into the character and discovers the Jekyll/Hude element if Bruce Banner/HULK. Also his dark past and repressed memories.

The Incredible Hulk because Ed Norton is and always will be the best Banner, and the action is amazing.

It really depends on your preference which you like more, but personally I go with the 2003 one, though 2008 still rocks.



@WYLEEJAY
U know what, just 4 u I'll watch GR again...even though it sounds painful, but I'll try.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 3/23/2014, 7:05 AM
Lmfao! Ben Stiller said..."DO IT".
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