Why Marvel is doing so well (and what I would hope they would do in the future).

Why Marvel is doing so well (and what I would hope they would do in the future).

No this is not just some fan-chick wish list, this is a legit "why" they are making such great movies that do so well at the box office as opposed to their competition.

Editorial Opinion
By murdocksgirl - Aug 08, 2011 07:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Other

Let me make a couple of notes here
(this has been edited from my org. post)
I have a producing background alright? If you want the details let me know, but SOME people think that by me explaining my background that I was writing out my resume. Go figure.

Yes I will fully admit that I am a Marvel Zombie. (I mean, come on, look at my handle!) However, as Scourge can vouch, I can keep my fan-chick from the producing side of my brain.


There's a reason why I mentioned all that. I told Scourge, after we saw Iron Man, either Marvel was going to eat up a studio (probably Lionsgate) or a major was going to buy them out. One of the two. They had a home run with Iron man, no question, and alot of the industry was going to be threatened.

While I was at school a number of my fellow "producers" kept saying that Marvel was going to be a fly by night studio. It will make a bunch of money, but once the superhero genre finally went bust, it would disappear. This was AFTER Iron Man blew out the box office opening weekend.

Me? NOPE. Now alot of these producers were not CB fans or if they were, they just didn't know the Marvel library that well.

The way I see it, Kevin Feige et al are just the most brilliant minds that have been producing films on existing sources. Why? Keep reading.

First off, Marvel came in with a game plan. Not just an idea, but a game plan and excellent one. They were like "we are going to do an avengers film, but in order for us to get there we need to do x,y,z". Not a "hey you know what would be cool? A Great Lakes Avengers movie!"

Secondly, from a producing standpoint, taking the risks they did paid off. Risks? what risks are you talking about MG?

1) $500 million loan from Merrill Lynch. They basically had that paid off a couple of week after Iron Man was in theaters. But could you imagine what would have happened if Iron Man tanked at the box office? I wouldn't want to be getting those collection calls.

2) Robert Downy Jr as Tony Stark. Yes, a majority of fans love LOVE (myself included) RDJ as Tony. Brilliant Casting. However, for the longest time RDJ was a risk (and still was a bit when Marvel was dealing with his contract). Why? Insurance reasons. Much like the debacle with Charlie Sheen, RDJ was a bit risky to trust to come into work. If you don't have your lead actor coming in, it throws off your production schedule, which then throws off your budget (paying union crews to stay late etc). It's risky when you have an actor with a bad reputation.

3)Actors contracts- particularly Sam Jackson. I would love to thank whoever figured out the contracts. The guy who figured out Sam Jackson's 10 picture deal to play Nick Fury- I love you. Thank you. I hope you have gotten a HUGE bonus for that.
Why am I all gaga over this contract? Well back in the day the old studios use to contract actors. If you went to see X actor's film, you knew it would be a film from X studio. The studio's own the actors lock stock and barrel. God forbid if Bogart (a lot of his films were with Warner Brothers) wanted to make a film at say, Fox. Warner could sue him for....EVERYTHING.

After the fall of the studio system (thanks to monopoly laws and the invention of television), the most you might see an actor have is 3-5 picture deal with a studio. Most of the time it was two. (Burton Batman film's anyone?) Rarely was all of the those pictures for the same character, if ever.

Now what Marvel pulled off with some of these contracts has never NEVER NEVER been done before- particular with Sam Jackson signing to play 10 pictures AS THE SAME CHARACTER.

Instead of going "Hey Sam, we would like you to be Nick Fury for a couple of pics" and then having to resign, they just took out their game plan and said... "shit, we need someone for 10 different pictures".

Now the difference is, unlike the old studio system, the actors can go work on other films (i.e. RDJ working on Sherlock Holmes in between shooting Iron Man).
SMART!!!!!

4)Trying something (particularly with casting) realizing it doesn't work and correcting it on the spot.
EX: Terrance Howard and Ed Norton.

5) Jeph Loeb as VP of Television (brilliant)

6) Marvel Creative Committee (see below)

What I am hoping Marvel does with TV division coming online.

Please, just from a marketing standpoint (and it seems like they are doing this) use "Aka Jessica Jones" as a way to introduce characters that will be pivotal later on (i.e. Luke Cage, Danny Reid, Carol Danvers),esp. if you want to do a story like "Civil War".

Hulk- The only Hulk I ever personally liked was the old show with Bill Bixby. I am hoping they do an updated version of that.

And just to keep all of us fans going to the films, and watching the shows--- Never, ever, not even as a last resort, get rid of the creative committee. Both the west coast and east coast offices working together in harmony is one of the reasons why these stories are transposing so well over into other mediums. (That and talent gets to play in both offices!!! $$$ saver!)


As an indy producer- Marvel-- well you guys are just amazing.

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Ethic
Ethic - 8/8/2011, 7:48 PM
Nice insight into the business side of things.
They really are kickin' ass form that standpoint.
Still though, as fun as the films are, I think I may tire from the same PG kind of thing.
I think every now and again they need tyo throw out a more adult-orientated film, because some of the comics are actually quite intense and adult.
95
95 - 8/8/2011, 7:54 PM
Sloppy article, stay on point, I could hardly understand what you were trying to say. I could not find the "why" in this article.

"I was not only in some of the highest producing classes, but also VFX supervison classes": Starting to sound like a [frick]ing resume.

Marvel is brilliant. Period. Their talent and their business strategy. Not trying to sound like a critic but a guy from Colombia writes like this? Shit. All day today I've read effortless articles, *shakes my head*.
murdocksgirl
murdocksgirl - 8/8/2011, 8:14 PM
Despero...
first off, a) you obviously didn't read the entire article because twice in the BEGINNING i pointed out that i am a fan-chick.

b)why? they have made some brilliant strategic moves both from the creative and the business standpoint.

Geesh, get off your high horse please. There have been plenty of articles on here that i have read and shaken my head at because of the dumbfounding stupidity and/or sexism of the writer(s). However, I have never attacked them.
murdocksgirl
murdocksgirl - 8/8/2011, 8:14 PM
Despero...
first off, a) you obviously didn't read the entire article because twice in the BEGINNING i pointed out that i am a fan-chick.

b)why? they have made some brilliant strategic moves both from the creative and the business standpoint.

Geesh, get off your high horse please. There have been plenty of articles on here that i have read and shaken my head at because of the dumbfounding stupidity and/or sexism of the writer(s). However, I have never attacked them.
95
95 - 8/8/2011, 8:32 PM
Fan-chick? Definition please. Never heard of that in my life, lol. Like I said, I could hardly understand what you were trying to say.
murdocksgirl
murdocksgirl - 8/8/2011, 8:36 PM
eye roll.
I am not sure if you are just trying to tick me off despero or what, but how blind are you? fan-chick= female fan (i hate the term fanboy).
Did you even take a look at my handle name? you may say you can't understand or follow what i am saying, but i think part of the problem is that you are skimming and not reading.
murdocksgirl
murdocksgirl - 8/8/2011, 8:38 PM
Zero Ethic-
I totally agree with you. There are some properties (I am thinking Punisher, Black Widow and Winter Solider to some extent) that would work much better and/or could only be done as an R rated film.

However one of them -Punisher- if i remember correctly just had the rights revert back to Marvel... so maybe a marvel movie universe that mimics the Marvel Max line? that would be pretty cool :)
95
95 - 8/8/2011, 8:46 PM
Okay mam, you got me on that, I'm stupid for not putting those two things together. But I did read, thoroughly. You make good and knowledgeable points, but c'mon, it was a like a scatter plot of thoughts. Call me an asshole.
95
95 - 8/8/2011, 8:47 PM
Aw [frick], troll badge. I guess I deserve that. I was only being honest!
IronicMan
IronicMan - 8/8/2011, 9:09 PM
cool article, I'm in film school right now and thought this was neat, seeing the smart business side of Marvel. (also make mine marvel)
murdocksgirl
murdocksgirl - 8/8/2011, 9:11 PM
Despero-
While I appreciate your honesty i don't think its fair that you take your issues about the "poor writing" for other articles/writers out on me.

Can we move back on point please and talk about Marvel?
murdocksgirl
murdocksgirl - 8/8/2011, 9:12 PM
IronicMan
what are you planning on doing in the film side?

I always thought that Marvel was pretty darn creative, but creative business? In the film industry? that's hard to pull off. :)
murdocksgirl
murdocksgirl - 8/8/2011, 9:12 PM
IronicMan
what are you planning on doing in the film side?

I always thought that Marvel was pretty darn creative, but creative business? In the film industry? that's hard to pull off. :)
murdocksgirl
murdocksgirl - 8/8/2011, 9:12 PM
IronicMan
what are you planning on doing in the film side?

I always thought that Marvel was pretty darn creative, but creative business? In the film industry? that's hard to pull off. :)
95
95 - 8/8/2011, 9:21 PM
Today I've been harsh on alot of people. Not just you.

Marvel is smart. They've proven themselves worthy of our praise.

G'day mam, g'day.
Jefferys
Jefferys - 8/9/2011, 12:22 AM
Enjoyable Article, just wish people weren't so mean around here.
95
95 - 8/9/2011, 12:30 AM
@Jefferys Yeah, don't we all?
Jefferys
Jefferys - 8/9/2011, 2:35 AM
Not all of us, take for example that guy who keeps reporting Teabag. Poor Teabag
Orphix
Orphix - 8/9/2011, 3:25 AM
Good article and some interesting points.

But I still don't think that Marvel Studios had that precise a game plan. Sure they had ambition and some vague idea of what they could perhaps try but I not to such specific plan.

Marvel Studios main strength seems to be to me that they have given themselves creative avenues to explore if and when the opportunity arises. Their flexibility is their real brilliance.

I remember in interview after interview SLJ saying is was never, ever gonna be in Thor. And then, at the final hurdle, when Marvel had a better idea of what they were doing, it made sense for him to be in it.
Jefferys
Jefferys - 8/9/2011, 3:58 AM
^ Orphix - Didn't they say that they just threw in SLJ as Nicky for the fans and weren't serious that that time for an actual Avengers movie?
ironpool007
ironpool007 - 8/9/2011, 4:57 AM
Marvel definitely is doing well. They have a gameplan, and they are not afraid to pitch a few sour apples when they gum up the works(thank god they moved on from Norton. If we were still waiting on him, The Avengers would not be in production right now. Terrence Howard was difficult too. Good riddance to them both and on with the show). Plus they know how to market the Marvel brand as well. Look at the posters for Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger saying: " From the studio that brought you Iron Man." Plus Marvel now has Disney backing them up.'things are only gonna get better.
Coloso
Coloso - 8/10/2011, 2:45 AM
@ironpool007 your right about Norton and Howard. It's not like Marvel didn't want those two to come back. It's been well documented that Norton and Marvel had creative differences and Howard was let go over salary issues. Otherwise they would have been back. I like continuity but Marvel had to soldier on after they couldn't work anything out and you know what, I'm fine with it. I even think Ruffalo might hit it out of the park as Banner, we'll see in the Avengers.

@murdocksgirl I enjoyed your article, well worth the read :)
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