STAR WARS: Rey "New Jedi Order" Movie Reportedly Still On Track, And We May Know When It'll Hit Theaters

@Origame - Let's not forget Willow!

@Origame - Right? I wanted to see Willow...not two young lesbians running through the forest together.

@TheFinestSmack - especially if one is talking about making her "winds smell of cinnamon"

That was a real line spoken in the show.

@Origame - fair points. I think people underestimate how difficult it is to pull of a TV show or a film. Everyone wants to create something amazing, but getting there is very hard - even moreso for a shared universe which is why most have failed.

Pixar had a huge amount of consistency for a long time because they were built differently. Marvel was the same way. They had a robust infrastructure to support the creative process. Literally built differently than other studios. This is why I felt DC failed tbh. Directionally they had some challenges, but they never built their studio the same way. From what I understand Lucasfilm has been a hybrid of models.

Pixar's talent got poached and Marvel likely overstretched their system taking on too much (the pandemic surely didn't help). I'm hopeful Gunn builds out DC like this and would love if Universal did it fora monster universe.

In the end though everyone wants to make a good show, it's just doing so that is so difficult to do. This is why I tend to give studios the benefit of the doubt. Even Speilberg made some duds.

@Itwasme - it was clear the emphasis of the show is prioritizing reva. Which is a terrible idea.

@Origame - "That was a real line spoken in the show."

Good lord...I refused to watch because i was onto their game from the start. Glad i didn't give it a chance haha.

@TheFinestSmack - I envy you.

@Itwasme - 1) that's because YOU misunderstood what was going on. Anakins love in his friends and family wasn't the problem. The jedi rejecting love was the problem. He kept trying to do what he can to protect his loved ones, whereas the jedi prevented him. Resulting in his mother dying even though he saw it coming in a force vision. Then another force vision was showing padme dying and the jedi were saying the same sh!t. That led to Palpatine taking advantage of his anger and fear to turn anakin to the dark side.

Luke then succeeded where his father failed by not succumbing to his hatred.

The prequels, while quality may be lacking, objectively makes the originals better.

Meanwhile the sequel trilogy makes vaders sacrifice pointless by "somehow Palpatine has returned", ruined Luke's whole journey by pretty much making all the mistakes of the original jedi but 100x worse and having him just give up helping his nephew, and obi wan flat out made a new hope not make sense by having Leia for some reason not know obi wan despite having a more firm connection to him than Luke. She didn't even care when he died and she comforted Luke about it.

3) well hasn't paid off yet. Proven talent is objectively the safest bet.

@Itwasme - 1) no. Attachment is what Yoda said. Lucas has also said that if quigon Ginn remained alive and trained anakin himself, as was the original plan they made before he died, anakin wouldn't have turned to the dark side because quigon would've encouraged him to pursue his attachments and deal with his emotions appropriately instead of discarding them like the jedi were teaching him. Hence why the theme of the duel with maul is called "duel of the fates".

And you really can't use the tag line for a poster as proof of anything. The point of that quote is to show anakin is falling in love when such a thing is against the jedi code. Again, you're confusing what the jedi say is true and good and what the story thinks is good. If THAT love didn't happen, there'd be no Luke and Leia.

3) there's a difference between blockbuster experience and experience in general. Obviously at some point you need to get into things, but that doesn't mean ignore all experience. All those directors were highly recognized before being hired to their respective blockbusters.

Also, Zhao didn't win the Oscar when she was hired.

@Itwasme - 1) again, you're misunderstanding what he's saying. He's explaining the logic of the jedi. Why don't they have attachment? Because you fear losing it. And that fear leads to hate, which leads to anger, which leads to suffering. In that response that you quoted, he even lists compassion as a trait he considers good, and the only trait he uses to explain that he's good. By definition he considers attachment good, but in this context it's risky, because of the negative emotions that lead to the dark side.

There's a nuance you're missing, same with the jedi themselves

A father loses his child, and in his grief he kills the first person he sees. Obviously what the father did was terrible and unforgivable. But also clearly linked to the attachment he felt for his child and losing them. Does that mean this guy, and by extention all of us, shouldn't love and be attached to our children out of the possibility of losing them and snapping? No. Because the good outweighs the bad and plenty of people can lose a child without just snapping and killing people (also the idea being we try to make sure the kid doesn't die in the first place).

Lucas worked on both the prequels and the originals. Even back when making the originals, the idea was it was a fraction of the story. Hence why they were known as episodes 4, 5, and 6 even back then. The prequels show the jedi were wrong, and all their teachings to anakin did was let Palpatine manipulate him more easily with actual answers to the problems he had beyond "just ignore them". Luke had a similar path, being told not to help friends and to focus on training over attachments. And during his final battle with vader, he gets angry because vader threatens Leia. But he's able to stand up for what he believes and avoids becoming the next vader, while also giving anakin himself a way out to return from the dark side WHILE HAVING HIS ATTACHMENT TO LUKE! It's all there.

3) dude, you even mention loving memento. And you forgot insomnia, which starred al pachino and Robin Williams. Besides, that's also when batman was at an all time low with wb willing to let anyone try. Also, you don't know what's going on with Gunn. He was a cult favorite and the only reason they let him make the movie if they could sell the prison set for scrap to help recoup the cost.

But even if what you said was true, all that's showing is unknown talent can benefit you in the end. Not that it's objectively better than going with proven talent.

@Origame - and yeah, regarding that last point I guess my take away is it's not worth jumping to conclusions in the film space. It's too fickle of an industry so studios have to make leaps and take risks. I'm not really down with making assumptions either way. I figure if they are hiring them, there's a reason we don't know. How Gunn got GOTG is mind-boggling (or even that the project got approved at all), but they can now laugh at that decision all the way to the bank!

@McMurdo - so Lucas is wrong... got it.

@Reginator - exactly