Spider-Man: Brand New Day - Screenshots Of Sadie Sink's Character Leak As [Spoiler] Attends London Premiere

@Scarilian - I mean any way they were going to try and drop the XMEN into a well established flowing MCU continuity was always going to be a nightmare of a job. And dropping Jean DEEP into a Spider-Man series that’s come along this far seems like …a choice. There’s actually a lot about this movie that confuses me, but being fair I haven’t seen it yet.

@Scarilian - spoilers



tbf, Jean wasnt trying to kill anyone. When she jumped into Frank for example, she was shooting people in non lethal areas.

But I agree a psychopatic introduction to Jean will be divisive. But I guess that's where Charles rehabing her will come into play

@Scarilian - this is the same person that bring us "they'll never know what you sacrificed for them" in Wandavision
....so

@Scarilian - I got to see the movie today....first part was solid though they tried really hard to fit too much stuff in the first half it's almost like a side quest in a video game in the first part.

The second half of the movie is meh to okay I guess.I'm not a big Marvel or Spider Man fan so not going to get worked up over the movie...it was an okay movie with flaws.

It pretty much made the last movie meaningless imo and I do agree starting the X Men world like this is odd...Jean Grey comes off very unlikeable in the movie to me.Maybe she's like that in the early comics of X Men...I don't know like I said I'm not a big Marvel fan or reader.It felt like a odd choice to make after seeing the movie though.

@jst5 - the last movie is not.meaningless. it gave Peter the chance to operate alone. And this movie didnt undo the spell like most expected it to do.

@Scarilian - if what you are saying is true,it does sound pretty shit.

@jst5 - but the memories are not there. The good thing here is that they will be forming new memories together

@jst5 - if the last movie didnt happen, He wont be operating solo which is what he was doing here.

It basically went into a spiderman film the way we are used to, him working by himself. No friends to help and no mentor to guide.

@Scarilian - Wanda wasn’t a vengeful sociopath when she was reeking untold havoc after aligning w Ultron??

Bucky wasn’t a sociopath when reeking havoc throughout the 20th Century

Hulk reeked no destruction upon Georgetown, Harlem, South Africa, and now Roosevelt Island you say??

Sprite wasn’t an irredeemable sociopath when she gave the world false mythologies and literally took possession of others’ physical bodies and consciousness to live out selfish fantasies??

Natasha and Yelena weren’t sociopaths wrecking havoc upon anybody on their contracted lists??

Warlock wasn’t a sociopath wrecking vengeance when he attacked the Guardians outpost??

Ghost didn’t kill Taskmaster??

Seems like you may have missed a lot of MCU foundational canon mythos about people w extraordinary skills needing to step up and become extraordinary protectors AFTER their redemption from their former, selfish lives

@SauronthePower - imo, MJ and Ned recognizing stuff from the past just shows that the deep friendship they have with peter is manifesting even without the memories.

It cheapens nwh if they just remember him out of nowhere. I think it is more satisfying narrativrly for them to slowly get their friendship back even without the previous memories

@vectorsigma -
Jean ran a tank through the city. The first time Spider-man spots it, it's blasted a local store with a fireball erupting. Civilian cars are destroyed and I doubt all survived.

Jean intended to run it through a sightseeing tour bus. Jean was driving the tank via a civilian, an old woman, who she made zero attempt to have exit the tank prior to Spider-man ripping the door off.

Jean intended to drive the tank into the building and kill a bunch of people inside with the bomb she planted, it is unknown how many people she killed doing this but we know Spider-man did not order them to evacuate because he did not think the tank was still a risk. We have zero confirmation that anyone we saw around the tank survived including the woman who was in the tank and the DodC guards around the tank, including the guy who was webbed to the floor who is almost certainly dead.

Jean has the guard throw himself off the roof for fun, in this instance she's baiting Spider-man to catch him and gives him warning. When she confronts Peter on the street she controls someone to walk backwards into traffic and they are killed by being hit by a car.

Later when she controls MJ to make her kiss Spider-man before throwing MJ off the roof fully intending to kill her, staying inside MJ's mind for a majority of the fall to resist any attempt at being saved.

Jean controls DodC soldiers to shoot each other and uses the Smart Hulk to destroy a large portion of the DodC building, presumably causing casualties along the way. Jean then proceeds to control Punisher to shoot everyone in the secret room except for Metzger.

Later Jean intends to kill Metzger and states her intent to kill everyone in the city. Spider-man tries to claim she is not a murderer at this point, but she's already has a kill count within this movie.

@Malatrova15 -
"this is the same person that bring us "they'll never know what you sacrificed for them" in Wandavision"

Is that true, can't find who? I really need to blacklist anything that person has or will work on if that's the case.

That's legitimately the thought I had coming out of the movie. That it was the WandaVision broken moral aspect all over again.

The final battle aspect is very similar included the nonsense of reaffirming the person who is doing this that they aren't a monster even as they have been shown as one throughout, the bubble expanding over an area, people forced into place and crying.

@SauronthePower -
"Wanda wasn’t a vengeful sociopath when she was reeking untold havoc after aligning w Ultron??"

Wanda manipulated others out of a desire for revenge, but, primarily thanks to the Avengers she never actually killed anyone when controlling them or otherwise. Due to this it's easier for her to be redeemed in that film. Jean's kills are on-screen.

"Bucky wasn’t a sociopath when reeking havoc throughout the 20th Century"

Was under mind control. He was a villain but it was not him doing so, the people controlling him are to blame and there's multiple things you've watched that should tell you that.

"Hulk reeked no destruction upon Georgetown, Harlem, South Africa, and now Roosevelt Island you say??"

Hulk is a violent entity who causes death and destruction, the entire point is that Hulk does kill and he is irredeemable while Banner is not. This is why whenever Hulk appears he's a monster who has to remember his humanity or be subdued.

"Sprite wasn’t an irredeemable sociopath when she gave the world false mythologies and literally took possession of others’ physical bodies and consciousness to live out selfish fantasies??"

Who? No clue who that is, probably one of the films or shows I did not watch.

"Natasha and Yelena weren’t sociopaths wrecking havoc upon anybody on their contracted lists??"

Majority of that was Black Widow program, meaning they were controlled to do so. It is the controller who is held responsible in these circumstances, similar to Bucky.

Natasha is the easiest, she's done horrific things as part of being under that control and even as an assassin/spy after, however when we meet her she's already joined Shield and she's already working towards a redemption of sorts. She expresses regret over her actions constantly, all of which is in the movie the first time we meet her.

Yelena is a lot more evil and I'd consider her a villain. You have the whole Hawkeye show nonsense where I'm aware Yelena was an antagonist in that out for revenge. Then you have the Black Widow film where she killed an entire prison of people while making jokes. As far as I've seen Yelena is a version of Black Widow that is not trying to make up for her past actions, instead she's just doing whatever she wants because she's traumatized by the events of her past and no longer values life.

"Warlock wasn’t a sociopath wrecking vengeance when he attacked the Guardians outpost??"

He was, that's an entire part of the character that they haven't really tapped into yet, called Magus. The idea is that he is a sociopath. He's not a hero and he's not particularly likable. The film mocks him because of this. He can do heroic things, but him being heroic is a gag.

"Ghost didn’t kill Taskmaster??"

You tell me, didn't watch Thunderbolts. I'm aware Taskmaster died and thought it was during the clip where they are all misled into killing each other. Ghost is a villain though as per Ant-Man 2 though so her killing someone is in character.

"Seems like you may have missed a lot of MCU foundational canon mythos about people w extraordinary skills needing to step up and become extraordinary protectors AFTER their redemption from their former, selfish lives"

You can't introduce a character and pretend they did nothing wrong, contradicting what you have shown on film, and have the character never express they are sorry at all and expect people to want to see them get a redemption.

Jean Grey kills people in Brand New Day and faces no consequences. She faces no consequences or punishment for what she did to the entire city.

• Stole a tank using a hostage
• Killed random civilians as she ran it through cars and buildings
• Exploded a building with civilians and DodC members inside
• Killed a random civilian by forcing them into traffic to prove a point
• Tried to kill MJ, actively ensuring she stays in MJ's mind to prevent Peter's attempts at saving her
• Shot people multiple times several of whom it was unclear if they survived or not
• Was going to kill Metzger
• Threatened to kill everyone in New York City while holding them all under her control

That's not even factoring that this power is stripping people of their bodily autonomy so every single time she's done this, noting she and her sister found it 'fun', she's causing that person to forget where they are and what they are doing and can do anything with those people.

@dotherightthing -
I tend to use Kevin and Filmmakers interchangeably. Watch the movie and then come back.

@Scarilian - Heroes and protagonists are allowed to be flawed or even slightly villainous.

@Feralwookiee - it can be divisive but it was well executed and sink's acting was excellent.

Also, the cameos here are not D&W levels of stupid.

@Radders - Hawkeye version

@ObserverIO - huh! She seems younger.
The creep factor's still there

@vegetaray - There shouldn't be anyway. They could cast an actual centenarian as Wolverine and an 18 year old Jean and it shouldn't matter.
If they're both over 18 and are consenting adults and if Cyclops either doesn't know about it or is at least allowed to watch, then it's all groovy baby.

@cocaegelo - I do agree, the film probably has the best Spidey scenes. Particularly that incredible 3rd act where we get to see a Spidey evolved in a way. The suit also looked terrific, my favorite live action Spidey suit.

I wouldn't say that Jean was the main villain; if anything, this movie didn't really have a main villain, it had a series of antagonists instead.