SPIDER-MAN 2 Narrative Director Justifies Decision To Not Include Eddie Brock In Video Game Sequel - SPOILERS

SPIDER-MAN 2 Narrative Director Justifies Decision To Not Include Eddie Brock In Video Game Sequel - SPOILERS

There's no sign of Eddie Brock in Spider-Man 2, with another character instead becoming Venom. Now, the game's narrative director has explained the decision to put a different spin on the Lethal Protector.

By JoshWilding - Oct 30, 2023 05:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man PS4
Source: Gizmodo (via GameFragger.com)

It was several months ago that Insomniac confirmed Eddie Brock wouldn't be Venom in Spider-Man 2. Despite that, many fans decided not to listen, sharing their belief that the game would surely include a last-minute twist introducing one of Peter Parker's most sinister foes.

Even after a trailer where all signs pointed to Harry Osborn donning the alien costume, the theories never really died away and a lot of people were disappointed when he was the sequel's sole Venom. 

Harry has never held the mantel in the comics, but his transformation ultimately makes the story being told all the more personal for the sequel's co-lead. 

Still, outside of Mary Jane Watson mentioning that "a new guy" had started at The Daily Bugle, there was no sign of Eddie (a character who was referenced in the previous Spider-Man games). So, why didn't he factor into this story? 

Insomniac narrative director Ben Arfmann justified the decision during a recent interview with Gizmodo (via GameFragger.com). 

"The idea of telling a Venom story was something that we knew we wanted to do super early on, and we had conversations about that even during the first Spider-Man," he explains. "For us, that meant: How do we get those personal hooks? How do we make Venom matter - not just to Spider-Man, but to Peter as well?"

"Having Harry [Osborn] be the person who becomes Venom just naturally laid a track where there’d be so much drama here between these two friends."

Along the way, some sweeping changes were made to what we're used to seeing from Venom on the page, including the fact Harry briefly becomes Agent Venom, an identity which Flash Thompson took on when he briefly bonded with the Symbiote after being injured in Iraq. 

"Our process is always: we read everything, we watch and consume everything that exists around these characters and in these stories," Arfmann says. "Then as [senior narrative director] Jon Paquette always says, we forget about everything."

"We try and ingest all of it and then do our own thing. You can see influences from other stories, as you say," he continues. "But when we were telling it, all we were thinking about was our Harry Osborn and Peter Parker, and trying to figure out how to put them on this incredible collision course that would challenge them both emotionally."

"We love Eddie’s Venom," he concludes, "and we definitely wanted to tell our own Venom story - one that was unique and interesting, and also build on this distinct lore we set up."

At the end of the day, the story works, even if it isn't comic-accurate. Some Venom fans are understandably displeased, but it's hard not to walk away from Spider-Man 2 feeling satisfied with the story told.

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AvalonX
AvalonX - 10/30/2023, 5:12 PM
"Having Harry [Osborn] be the person who becomes Venom just naturally laid a track where there’d be so much drama here between these two friends."

Its a no from me Dawg. To see Eddie's life be ruined is a perfect foil to Peter. Venom is Venom because of Eddie's hate. Thats why every other Marvel version of Venom sucks.
Vigor
Vigor - 10/30/2023, 5:25 PM
@AvalonX - look at this as a different universe
CaptainMexico
CaptainMexico - 10/30/2023, 5:35 PM
@AvalonX - of course, why bother playing a top gear game when they could have told the exact same story that’s been told 1000 times. Being a whiney keyboard warrior is way more stimulating anyway.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 10/30/2023, 5:45 PM
@AvalonX - I kinda agree, but the other two times we saw the story play out in blockbusters that was missing. Now I'm not saying movies and games are the same, but maybe the story is better left to the comics
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 10/30/2023, 6:24 PM
@AvalonX - Harry being Venom works for THIS story.
MG0019
MG0019 - 10/30/2023, 6:27 PM
@AvalonX - I actually wished they did this for Raimi’s Spider-Man 3. I think it would’ve made the drama a lot tighter for the story they were telling. You have the buildup of hating Parker. You have the revenge aspect. You have the intimate knowledge of Spider-Man’s secrets. All the right aspects to making Venom.

Having Osborne become a Goblin is thematic for his father’s connection - but you also run the risk of not giving the audience something new. Snowboarder Goblin felt lame anyway, and not really a continuation of Green Goblin. You could interweave the multiple personalities of Venom though. Imagine Harry having a split mind, not only hearing his father’s voice, but the Symbiote’s as well. It’s a triforce of hate!
bobevanz
bobevanz - 10/30/2023, 6:35 PM
@AvalonX - having sympathy for a douchebag doesn't work. It had to be Harry for THIS STORY. It's not that deep
Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 10/30/2023, 7:01 PM
@AvalonX - It worked for me in the game for Harry to need the symbiotic to survive so he grew resentful and hateful towards Peter who ultimately tried to take it away from him when he realized he needed to destroy it. Then having the symbiote further twist it by applying its own anger at being rejected on top of that worked just as well as the Eddie stuff for me
ANewPope
ANewPope - 10/30/2023, 7:37 PM
@MG0019 - That actually would've been interesting. Unfortunately Raimi wasn't too fond of Venom.
AvalonX
AvalonX - 10/30/2023, 8:51 PM
@comicfan100 - Ok sure, but Harry isn't actually Venom. Venom is Eddie plus the symbiote. Even Agent Venom with Flash is a stretch. Just because you have the symbiote that does not make you Venom.
AvalonX
AvalonX - 10/30/2023, 8:54 PM
@bobevanz - Eddie told right is a traggic figure. His weird morale compass is interesting. They just took it too far by making him an anti-hero in the comics which was a very 90's things to do. The original Venom is a complex character. Either way its their game, they just took it in a direction I dont like. I dont like the character switching either.
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 10/30/2023, 9:54 PM
@AvalonX - But he IS Venom here. Just because Harry is Venom in this particular story doesn't take away from Eddie being Venom elsewhere.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 10/30/2023, 10:29 PM
@comicfan100 -
Harry did not work for the story because Harry never hated Peter. Even when he temporarily gets angry at Peter its because of the aspects that Venom made him do.

It's also not a particularly good parallel. Peter with his struggling life, inability to get a job and relationship issues VS Harry with his successful life, great job and failing health?

Just felt incredibly forced and did not carry any weight.
Origame
Origame - 10/31/2023, 6:36 AM
@CaptainMexico - you say this as if this isn't a rehash of their own doc ock storyline.

They even had Peter working with Harry in a scientific startup.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 10/31/2023, 9:02 AM
@AvalonX - how does someone writing a video game tell themselves that the original comic isnt good enough and that they can do it better?
CaptainMexico
CaptainMexico - 10/31/2023, 1:55 PM
@Origame - that’s literally the only similarity, and it makes sense with the continuity…they are both aspiring scientists…I guess they should change careers in the video game to appease the neckbeards like you?
Origame
Origame - 10/31/2023, 2:46 PM
@CaptainMexico - well no its not the only way. It's literally the exact same story.

Peter works with a friend to build a project intended to save the world. Said friend has a debilitating condition requiring a scientific advancement Peter is hesitant to let his use due to what it can do to him psychologically. The friend gets frustrated at his failing health and uses it anyway. This causes the friend to become a supervillain who becomes such a threat he completely overtakes the main threat of the earlier part of the story. Said friend goes on to send an infection that takes control of the city leading to a giant quarantine. Peter then gets an "anti-villain" suit to combat them. They then do battle at a location that has emotional significance to them. Peter makes the scientific advancement unusable to the friend who is considered unable to do anything without it.
CaptainMexico
CaptainMexico - 10/31/2023, 3:16 PM
@Origame - Peter Parker has always been a scientist, and many of his rogues are science-y by nature. The Lizard, Normal Osborne, the Jackal…who cares? It’s going to have some reoccurring themes, and that’s not the only story in there. The Craven story intertwined in there was pretty decent.
Origame
Origame - 10/31/2023, 3:55 PM
@CaptainMexico - sure, just blank on all the similarities I gave and sum it up as "they're scientists". Ffs. It's always been an issue with the raimi films that every antagonist had a personal connection with them. Now it's going into absurd levels of connection where they are all working with him, get sick, become a supervillain, take over from another villains plot, and are defeated by a suit especially made to beat them. Where's the variety in Harry vs Otto?
RedFury
RedFury - 10/30/2023, 5:14 PM
I'll always be an Eddie fan. And while I wished they had used him as Venom instead, I completely understand why they didn't, and it totally worked within the story. It certainly carried more emotional weight than the rivalry between Peter and Eddie would have. But I'm sure if they really put their minds to it they could have come up with an excellent story with Eddie as well.

But at the end of the day, even with the liberties taken, it was still great.

DTor91
DTor91 - 10/30/2023, 5:19 PM
It worked out well. One of the best games of an already killer year for gaming. Personally my third favorite game of the year, but can just as easily see it taking a number of top spots.
CaptainMexico
CaptainMexico - 10/30/2023, 5:39 PM
@DTor91 - ya they did great with it. The way that their version of Kravens Last Hunt was woven in there was clever, and made for some fun and diverse henchmen to beat. I know the missions aren’t as diverse but they were all more combat oriented which I’m cool with. Minimal MJ/real like crap, just all spidey. Loved this game, the people that whine about it are the people who will never be satisfied.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 10/30/2023, 5:51 PM
@CaptainMexico - how they wove in the Last Hunt stuff is clever. Could even see that work in the movies (the Sony movies). He just goes after the biggest prices and hopes for a warrior's death. Don't even really need Spider-Man for that
Evansly
Evansly - 10/30/2023, 7:37 PM
@DTor91 - What are your other favorites?
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 10/31/2023, 9:04 AM
@DTor91 - did you play starfield? I actually bought an xbox JUST to play that game and my gawd is it boring and tedious.
Mercwitham0uth
Mercwitham0uth - 10/30/2023, 5:25 PM
Even though Eddie wasn't used in the game he is still within the games universe.

In 2018's Marvel's Spider-Man, one of the collectable back packs has a "Best of Luck" card from the Daily Bugle to Peter.

Lots of signatures on that card including Jameson, Urich, Betty Brant, Joe Robertson, and Eddie Brock has even signed it.

So either it's a continuity error or Insomniac figured people would forget. But Eddie is supposed to be there.
IronSpider101
IronSpider101 - 10/30/2023, 5:34 PM
@Mercwitham0uth - Kind of reminds me of how the first Spider-Man movie references Eddie, but by the time Spider-Man 3 rolls around they decide to introduce the character and we're just left to assume the first Eddie was someone else.
Mercwitham0uth
Mercwitham0uth - 10/30/2023, 6:28 PM
@IronSpider101 - Perfect example.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 10/30/2023, 9:06 PM
@Mercwitham0uth - or he just never becomes venom in this universe , it’s not supposed to be a 1:1 of the comics
OrgasmicPotatoe
OrgasmicPotatoe - 10/30/2023, 10:11 PM
@Mercwitham0uth - One does not contradict the other though. Having this Easter egg in the first game doesn't automatically mean that Eddie had to become Venom. Eddie can still exist in that universe and have been a past colleague of Peter even if he's not Venom.
Mercwitham0uth
Mercwitham0uth - 10/31/2023, 2:18 AM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - Or he does eventually.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 10/31/2023, 8:22 AM
@Mercwitham0uth - don’t think that’s the direction they want to go
GhostDog
GhostDog - 10/30/2023, 5:31 PM
What they did with their Venom worked but I think Eddie could’ve worked too. Explore Eddie's struggles with his own self-esteem and the symbiote's emotional closeness, but they are facing this, on their own, one step at a time. I think you could’ve done the original storyline, included Sin Eater or substitute him with Wraith, and had Eddie’s rep be destroyed.

Watching Eddie devolve into someone consumed by his hate of Peter. Venom is about what one can evolve into once allowing to let go of hatred.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 10/30/2023, 5:49 PM
@GhostDog - that's kinda it for me. They could've done the original story, but that's already been done. If I wanted that story, I'd pick up the original story
IronMan616
IronMan616 - 10/30/2023, 5:34 PM
Lol, that is so stupid to not have Eddie as Venom.
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 10/30/2023, 6:25 PM
@IronMan616 - Play the game first. Maybe you'll think different.
HeraldNumber7
HeraldNumber7 - 10/30/2023, 5:35 PM
it's whatever, but i typically don't care for this Harry version.

Eddie as Venom has always been more interesting to me because it's the whole idea that someone knows Spidey's identity, and that of all of his loved ones, but Peter doesn't know.

also that it's someone with a vendetta who has the power of this symbiote that can stalk Peter without setting off his senses. much scarier.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 10/30/2023, 5:48 PM
"Harry has never held the mantel in the comics"

But he has in the Spider-Man Ultimate show, but I guess this still felt new enough as it's the first time it's done in media in blockbuster proportions.

Anyway, I don't miss Eddie. Both the Eddie/Venom and Harry/Goblin stories have been done over and over again, that this felt like a hood fresh take to try.
OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 10/30/2023, 5:59 PM
They can always bring in Eddie later and have him be a lethal protector with a Spider-man hatred.
Would be cool to see Peter, Miles and Venom battle Carnage
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